Jan. 28, 2025

A Conversation with Ricochet's Dr. Bastiat

A Conversation with Ricochet's Dr. Bastiat
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In this episode, Dave sits down with Ricochet's own Dr. Bastiat for free-wheeling discussion on everything from why progressives insist on loudly advocating for policies that don't work (e.g., a lack of border enforcement, lack of adequate policing, a revolving door justice system, anemic defense foreign policy that invites aggression, etc). Is the Democrat party really anti-American? Dr. Bastiat also explains why Joe Biden may actually have been the most successful in history.

Along the way, Dave discusses the left's currently meltdown over President Trump's rapid deportation of violent illegals from American soil. Getting a bit spun up, Dave doesn't stop until he's calling for at least some of these predators to be shipped to Pope Francis himself! It's a fast-paced episode, and a rivetting conversation between Dave and Dr. Bastiat. This is one you won't want to miss. (To learn more about Dave's show and his writings, visit his website right here.)

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Storytelling the story of Hell.

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It's Dave Carter, and this is the Dave Carter Show.

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Hang on a minute, Okay, all right, I think I

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got it together. I'm trying to get the documents loaded

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up here on my iMac in order, in the order

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I'm going to use them in. And I have memory

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issues lately. I've been lobbying for some of those memory

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foam inserts to stick in my shoes. Maybe I can remember,

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you know, like a while walking into the kitchen every

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now and then. That'd be nice. It's kind of like

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a veteran that I met many years ago. He had

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served in World War Two in combat, and if you

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asked him about what it was like back in the

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day in the early forties, he was injured horrifically when

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he saw a battle. Super nice guy, but he could

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bring you into the moment in the war. He could

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even give you every little nuance, every no detail was

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too minute to escape his memory. He could lock in

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on him and put you right there in the war

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with him. Now, if you ask him what he had

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for breakfast, on the other hand, was that was another

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matter entirely. But I'm beginning to understand what in the

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world he was talking about.

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You know.

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Well, by the way, Hi, welcome to the show. I

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am Dave Carter speaking of memory issues. And it's a

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pleasure in a treat to welcome you to the continuing

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festivities here and to have you listening in on the show.

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We're going to be talking to an absolute treasure of

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a writer over on Ricochet, where he's known by his

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user name doctor Bostiat. For those who may not know,

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arguably the most famous Bostiat was Friedrich Bostiacht born in

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eighteen oh one. He was a brilliant economist, had a

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razor sharp wit, and among the things that he said,

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this is just just forever etched in my min He said,

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quote government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors

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to live at the expense of everybody else unquote. Now,

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on the other hand, doctor Bostiacht over at Ricochet is

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also known for his great wit and is penetrating analysis,

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which we will explore in a conversation with him coming

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up shortly. Oh and here's another quote from Friedrich Bostia

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quote each of us has a natural white right from

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God to defend his person, his liberty, and his property unquote,

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which I guess makes the eighteen hundred's economists and MAGA

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extremists of the day's progresses, which is fine. By the way,

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their ideas and what happens when those ideas are applied

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in the real world are about as popular these days

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as an abscessed tooth. For an example, a reporter at

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Fox was embedded with the Immigration's Customs and Enforcement agents

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earlier last week as they took down some extremely violent

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legal aliens off the streets in Boston. The reporter's name

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is Bill Mlucian, and here is naety seconds, just ninety

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seconds of what went down in Boston that day.

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It's a frigid five degrees in the pre dawn hours,

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just outside of Boston, where this team of elite ICE

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officers is briefing on their targets for the day.

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We're gonna be targeting some extremely violent offenders today.

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Within moments, the officers are on the move with eyes

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on their first target.

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Look like we're gonna move in photography comund.

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They quickly take him into custody. He's an MS thirteen

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gang member wanted in l Salvador for aggravated murder and

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he has an Interpol red notice out for his arrest.

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We are targeting very violently threats to our community.

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I'm not going back to Hayden.

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One of those threats is this illegal alien from Haiti.

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I says he's a gang member with seventeen criminal convictions

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in recent years.

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I mean, go Biden, averbro pay Obama picked.

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Ice.

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Boston quickly takes down its next targets, including this illegal

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alien from Brazil who has an Interpol red notice for

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armed robbery, this Salvadoran illegal alien charged locally with rape

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and released by a sanctuary jurisdiction, you know, and this

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Dominican illegal alien charged with assault with the deadly weapon

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and heroin trafficking. Officers also arrested this Guatemalan MS thirteen

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gang member facing gun charges. I says he was released

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from local custody just the day before their detainer request

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was ignored because of sanctuary policies.

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Now did you catch that last part? Agents arrested an

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NMS thirteen gang member who had been released into the

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streets of Boston because of that city's sanctuary policies, which

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required local officials to ignore ICE request to take this

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dangerous predator off the streets. Because, as I've said before,

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if it's a question of your safety over against the

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ability of violent predators to roam free in your communities, Well,

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guess who side the progresses will take. Every time they

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will side with the violent predator. How many times will

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they do that. Well, in the case of the one

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nut job from Haiti that you heard, it was yelling

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at the camera, he had seventeen recent prior arrest which

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means that the system sided with him and against American

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communities at least seventeen times. As a matter of fact,

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here let's isolate that one quote from the nut because

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it really does speak volumes. Here we go play it again, Sam.

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I mean, go Biden, thank Obama for everything that he

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picked for me.

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And there you have it. F Trump, Biden forever, bro

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thank Obama for everything that he did for this illegal

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alien predator who was allowed to attack and terrorize American

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citizens not once, but seven times, his heroes Joe Biden

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and Barack Obama. As he says, you feel me.

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Now.

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Among the people arrested by Ice in Boston that day

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was a Honduran illegal alien who had been previously deported,

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who was arrested for raping a woman while putting a

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gun in her mouth. Okay. Another arrestee was another Haitian

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who flew into the country courtesy of Joe Biden's migrant

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flight and mass parole program in twenty twenty three, and

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he was arrested for sexual assault. So these are the

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kinds of people that Joe Biden and that little Elmer

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Flood looking dude Alejandro Mariorcus allowed into the country to

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prey on Americans with impunity. And if you or I said, hey, wait, wait, wait,

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wait a minute, this is crazy, this is nuts, this

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is a deadly mistake. We were the bad ones. We

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were the racist, we were the zenophones. That's what they

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call Donald Trump nearly ten years ago when he warned

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of exactly what we've seen happening in our communities. Yet

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we're the ones that Joe Biden and his gang on

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nitwits called garbage. They insisted that we just shut up

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and take the abuse, you know, just lie back and

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think of diversity. But sanity has returned and the forces

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of violence, the forces, I'm sorry, the forces of tolerance,

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are really honked off about it. Did you see that

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prayer service that the president went to a week ago Tuesday?

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I believe it was remember the bishop who used her

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sermon as a chance to lecture the president and by extension,

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the rest of US. Columnist Miranda Divine had a few

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words for the bishop, writing that the bishop quote should

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have been fostering unity, not exacerbating false divides and making

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the ceremony all about her. Addressing the new president, bud

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or Bud asked for his mercy for illegal migrants and

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transgender children who are scared now that he's in office.

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These are gay, lesbian than transgender children who fear for

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their lives, she and toned. In a sacrin parody of

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a Christian sermon. She patronizingly described migrants as quote the

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people who pick our crops and wash the dishes. But

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her performative empathy did not extend to Lake and Riley,

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Joscelyn Hungary, Rachel morn are the other women and girls

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raped and murdered by illegal migrants and in whose name

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the Trump administration is securing the border. Nor does she

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seem to care about the susceptible children abused and irreversibly

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mutilated on the altar of a genderiality ideology that no

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Christian church should support. End quote. I would submit to

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you that the reason the bishop's sympathies did not extend

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to the victims of criminal predators, nor to children who've

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been surgically mutilated and sterilized in service to progressive viseology

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is because the victims are just how I put this,

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they're acceptable collateral damage to the left's most enthusiastic and

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strident supporters. You know, you have to break a few

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eggs to make an omelet, after all, and who cares

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if that egg is a woman who is raped and killed,

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or a young child who is raped and thrown off

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a bridge, or a child too young to understand or

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consent to a tattoo but can consent to have body

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parts chopped off to conform to their perceived identity. This week,

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and since Ron and Roll, here's another bishop. This one

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is a Catholic bishop. Mark Sites in an interview with CBS.

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You've talked about in your statement in recent days that

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the president needs to be more merciful. To pick out

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a word I saw in that statement, What do you

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mean by that when it comes to politics and policy?

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How does that translate into what you would like to

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see happen.

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From a Christian point of view? There's no way to

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really speak about justice without mercy. Mercy is part of it.

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You can't simply take a law and then present it

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as though it is it's literal wording explains the whole

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or deals with the whole reality. So mercy has to

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be has to temper the way that justice is practiced,

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and very often with a sweeping kind of statements that

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are coming from the administration. We don't see that happening.

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Yes, so rules and laws must be tempered. From a

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Christian perspective, you can't take a law and then present

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it as though it's literal wording deals with the whole reality,

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because you know, we just can't go by the literal

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wording of a law right by chance? Has the bishop

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part of the Ten Commandments their chisel in stone after all,

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which doesn't exactly lend them to a transitory suggestion, a

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tentative proposal. I mean, we've known that there are consequences

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for violating a very plain rule or specified law since

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around the time of Adam and Eve. Methinks the bishop

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has gone soft and has traded in the various concepts

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of right and wrong for a seat at the progressive table.

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And however, many pieces of silver they've offered him. Does

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the mercy that Bishop's site says should temper the law,

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Does that mercy extends to the victims of these predators

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who broke into the country. We don't know, and we

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don't know because the bishop's indignation collapses in the presence

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of the victims of these monsters. If a violent assailant

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broke into the bishop's residence, would he call the police

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or proceed to adopt the trespasser and put it into

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his family will and have him part of the family.

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As for the bishop's boss, Pope Francis Hey recently said

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that the the president's deportation plans are a disgrace quote unquote, fine,

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open the gates to the Vatican City, then mister Pope

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teared down that wall. Just days ago, we apprehended some

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fifty or so illegal aliens who were members of the

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Venezuelan gang Trendy Arragua. I say we fly these gang

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members of the Vatican. In fact, according to the Department

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of Homeland Security, in the last week, we've removed seventy

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three hundred violent illegal aliens from the US. Well, how

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about we send them all to the Vatican. What can

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the Pope do? I mean? After all, to refuse injury

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an entry would be a disgrace to use his term. Question,

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Who in this audience doubts that Pope Francis has no

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intention of bringing these merciless predators into Vatican City. Now

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I know a wonderful priest back in Memphis, a man

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for whom I have undying admiration back in Love. His

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parish is located in one of the worst quarters of

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that municipal cesspool, and he put a tall and secure

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fence around the church's property. And for good reason, he

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does not intend to offer his flock as sacrificial lands

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to be slaughtered by marauding idiots that prey on the

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good people of Memphis every day in that wretched city.

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That priest is not a disgrace, nor is he unmerciful,

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as he interacts with daily with people from all walks

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of life in Memphis and offers confession to one and all.

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But here's the thing. That priest isn't a fool either.

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He looks after his parish as a father looks after

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his household, as a competent mayor would look out for

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his city, and as a caring president looks after his country,

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which is to say that neither the priest, nor the father,

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nor a competent leader should ever look at those in

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his care as pawns. In some social science experiment, has

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a few eggs who must be broken in order to

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make the perfect diversity omelet. Otherwise you end up with I.

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Mean, go fighting abro pay Obama for everything that.

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He's picked for me, both because some people just need

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to pack on the head with a hammer. Dave Carter

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twenty years before relocating and practicing concierge medicine in Hilton Head,

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South Carolina. He describes himself as quote a bleeding heart conservative.

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I hate statism because it is heartless. It suppresses the

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potential of its subjects, It forces equal distribution of misery

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rather than maximizing potential for joy. And it tends to

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make liars and thieves of nearly everyone, to which I say, amen,

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preach on doctor Bostia. It's a pleasure to have you

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on the show. How are you doing, sir, I'm doing great.

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Thanks for having me, Dave.

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Thank you for taking time to talk with us today.

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I really really appreciate. You write fairly often on Ricochet,

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and your article's routinely garner a lot of attention because

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they're fantastic. Number one kind of question, how do you

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any given day? Is it just something that jumps out

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from the day's headlines or do ideas and the annoyances

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just summary in your mind until they absolutely must be expressed.

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That happens to me a lot. How's it work for you?

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It's something like that. Each time I write an article,

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don't think I'm gonna write again for a while, and

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then a day or two later, something happens and I

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sat down thought about. These people are just whipping it

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off in their cars. So yeah, but it's helpful. I've

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day you should just roll over and take your lily.

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really is an education for everybody. The text of time

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it forces you to organize your thoughts and then engaging

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in conversation with other intelligent people, that it's that that

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really that's you can gain a lot from that process.

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the treasure of written material from you and it selects

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something to talk about because it's all stellar work.

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There's a piece that you wrote that I believe underscores

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the attitude that we hear from much of the left

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in response to President Trump's first week in office, and

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I mentioned this in my opening monologue a few moments ago,

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that the forces of tolerance are thoroughly honked off right now,

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and a major read reason why is summed up. I

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think in your article the Democrat Party represents the government,

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and you also say the Republican Party represents the people

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and that the American government is anti American. So can

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you explain that last point for our listeners because that

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the government hasn't always been that way, has it.

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I'm I was born in sixty eight, okay, so I'm

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fifty six, So yeah, I don't have a wealth of experience. Now,

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it is interesting that, you know, you can compare our

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founding in the late seventeen hundreds to now. The government

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has obviously changed quite a bit. So of the people, though,

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in society. I mean, we went from a grade society

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where everybody's writing horses to this.

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where you are right now.

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more involved in materialistic things and moved away from religion

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and so on, and you know, John Adams said that

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our constitution was poorly suited to governing anyone other than

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a moral and religious people. I mean, he was right,

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also the people are changing.

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don't quite understand that, but it's interesting to me that

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party's policy goals accomplished, actually getting done what his party

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his administration. And they did that when they really didn't

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have a leader exactly. I mean, Biden has never been

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an intellectual powerhouse, and he's worse than that now, and

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he doesn't have He's not a charismatic leader. He's not

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everything they wanted. And I think it's because, you know,

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the government, Our government will grow naturally if you're allowed

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to do so, just like any bureaucracy will so. But

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often the president, even in their own president, will have

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to limit that growth somewhat because you've got to run

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for election re election a few years. And so when

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grow unimpeded for four years, and that Democrats got everything

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wanted was more government, right, So it's that they have

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similar goals. And so what's interesting to me is that

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when the Democrats openly seek to gain power over everything

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they can in America, I don't understand why they keep

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nominating weak fools like Biden and Harris, because generally in history,

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when a party gains complete in a country, it's they

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have a charismatic intelligence leader like Stalin or Mao or

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Hitler or Castro or somebody. They don't nominate Joe Biden

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to convert a country into a new form of government.

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about this, but it just sort of illustrated me. Kind

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of pointed out to me that the Democrat Party represents

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that government, and then so many things that the government

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does don't seem to help them, Like why like men

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playing women's sports, I mean, why, but that doesn't help.

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That's not a popular position. These are not sympathetic figures.

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It doesn't help Democrats or government. Illegal immigrant gang bangers

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dealing drugs in American cities. Why are Democrats bringing these

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people in? I mean, how does that help increasing violence

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in American cities? You know, they're not supporting the police.

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This doesn't help them, And so it none of that

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makes any sense unless none of it makes any sense

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unless the American government is fun fundamentally anti American. If

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they're actually trying to damage the United States, then it

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makes sense. And I am open to other suggestions, please,

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you know, but to me that that's so. So the

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Democrat Party represents the government, and the government is anti American,

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as I often say.

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but I think that's what's happening here.

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I think I wish you were wrong too. I suspect

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you're not. I've often said that the Biden administration was

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basically government by faculty lounge because he was in a

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cognitive fog the entire time, which makes me wonder who's

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pulling the strings behind.

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He was in a cognitive fog for fifty years before that.

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And for years me and doctor Robert had an ongoing

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argument about this, and he was right, and I knew

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he was right, but I didn't want to admit that

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Biden had Alzheimer's because then whatever goes wrong. He was

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just oh, well, you know, I mean he had Alzheimer's,

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you know. And they said, well, it's Biden's age. No,

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he wasn't too old, he's you know, he had Alzheber disease.

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America's suffering is that it's moved further to left. But

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it's easy to blame it now on a disease, which

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that's not nice to blame a disease.

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An out, which I think is catastrophic because otherwise, without that,

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what would they what could they say right now? Right

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as America suffers more and more and more, they're just

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going to keep saying, well, you know, past, he's past

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his prime when we need a new leadership. That was

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his Alzheimer's to me, was devastating. That was that was

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a serious empact yeah.

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But when he was replaced by Harris the the ability

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to articulate anything didn't improve a whole hell of a lot.

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Although imagine being in her position, you know, I mean,

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how do you defend what's happened in the last four years?

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And how do you irrationalize their approach? They said, Okay, yeah,

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last four years when horrible. We're gonna do more of

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the same. We're gonna get different results. I mean, that's

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you probably couldn't be much.

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Better, right, that was it was untenable to begin with.

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And when you're asked a question to put you on

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the spot, you really want to crawl back in a hole?

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Of course, what else do you do?

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Right? And look.

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What got me, what started me in all this was

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you know.

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I mean to me, like in my line of work,

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a very few people really understand addictions, say, except for

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those who have been addicted, right, I mean, they've been there,

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and it is hard to understand. I mean, heroin is

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ruined your life. Perhaps you should use less heroin. I mean,

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it sounds simple, but if you've been there, then you understand.

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So to me, a lot of the most interesting political

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thinking comes from those who are once on one side

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of the aisle and then they change side. Sure, yeah,

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because they can understand, they sort of understand the thought

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processes of both sides underlie their policies. So I read

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this great book that you've probably read as well, The

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Secret Knowledge by David.

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You read that.

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I've heard of it. I had not read it.

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Oh you got. It's an incredible book. Should be required reading.

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It's maybe the met I think, but it looks like

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ma May to me. Yeah. Anyway, he's a playwright who

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I think he wrote the screenplay for The Untouchables. I

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think he's written all sorts of stuff. He's brilliant and

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he's been very successful. And he wrote a book about

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his conversion to Conservatism, which you can imagine how that

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went for his career. But anyway, he tells this fascinating

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story about so he grew up a Jewish kid in

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a Jewish neighborhood in New York, I think Brooklyn somewhere,

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first out of the closet Republican he ever met. It

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was like after college or something. It was just amazing, right,

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But he grew up in a sheltered environment and so

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he had dinner with this guy, and this guy was

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saying stuff that Matt just couldn't or ma May just

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couldn't believe that he was hearing. It was like maybe

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curing poverty by giving money to poor people isn't working out.

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the communists. He was just saying, hey, some of this

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stuff is where And May was just blown away by

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what this guy was saying at a dinner, you know,

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and he was infuriated by it. And so he was

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talking to his rabbi later, you know, a week two later.

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He said, you won't believe what this moron just said.

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allowed to talk to me about this. And then they said,

472
00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:23.839
well why not, And as a rabbi said, and anybody

473
00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:26.680
who understands Jewish theology, I apologize. I must some this up.

474
00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:29.799
It's been twenty years. But his rabbi said something like,

475
00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:34.319
he said, look, you can't go around the community criticizing

476
00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:37.200
somebody for what they think unless you do it certain things.

477
00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:39.160
So he said, because it's not fair the other person,

478
00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:42.279
it's not fair the community. So suppose Bob disagrees with

479
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:46.680
Tom over something, then Bob must call Tom. He don't

480
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:48.359
want to sit down talk to you. Tom says okay,

481
00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:51.799
and then Bob has to tell Tom what Tom thinks

482
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:56.880
and why, and Tom has to agree that Bob put

483
00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:00.960
all that correctly. And then Tom has to tell Bob

484
00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:04.200
what Bob believes and why, and Bob can say, oh no, no,

485
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:06.279
that's not why I think that, and he can correct them.

486
00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:09.480
And once the two men have agreed on what the

487
00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:12.519
other person's position is and that this is being fairly represented,

488
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:15.000
then they just say, okay, do we still disagree? And

489
00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:18.039
if they do, then you're allowed to go around the

490
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:20.240
community and say, hey, COM's an idiot. Okay, but you

491
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.279
can't do that until you work that out. And I

492
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:25.799
thought that was such brilliant, brilliant advice. And it occurred

493
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:27.400
to me that if I were to sit down with

494
00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:32.960
the Democrat, I couldn't do that. I don't understand that

495
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:37.200
the underlying ideology behind Democrat policies, first of all, seems

496
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:39.079
to change a lot, right. I mean, it goes from

497
00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:41.759
you know, baby in my lifetime, from baby seals to

498
00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:45.359
racism to men playing women's sports, and it's hard to

499
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:47.240
keep track of what they're passionate about that day, and

500
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:50.480
any underlying ideology doesn't. I can't think of anything that

501
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:53.119
would explain all that. So when I realized I couldn't

502
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:55.440
pass that simple test that he listened in his book,

503
00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:58.839
I realized that I'm arguing against an ideology which I

504
00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:02.200
don't understand at all, and there's so much going on

505
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:04.480
that just it baffles me. And then that's another reason

506
00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:06.119
I write about all this stuff, trying to figure it out.

507
00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:08.400
And frankly, I haven't made a lot of progress.

508
00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:10.920
And one of the one of the things that I've

509
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:15.319
seen on behalf of some younger folks who some of

510
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:18.799
them are raised in a conservative household and they've were

511
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:23.000
ways to live in live within their means, and that

512
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:27.440
kind of thing, and they've they've heard political conservatism espoused

513
00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:29.759
all over their family. And then they go off to

514
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:34.319
college and they hear for the first time an intellectual

515
00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:39.880
defense of of of of progressivism, and they've never heard

516
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:42.079
that before. They've heard knee jerk things and they just

517
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:44.240
dismissed it. But when somebody says, Okay, well, here's the

518
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:47.880
philosophy undergirding it, and they go, wow, I didn't think

519
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:51.119
of it that way. And it's amazing how quick they

520
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:54.680
will just discard everything they've heard all their lives and

521
00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:57.480
march with the pied piper of the progressive left, in

522
00:28:57.519 --> 00:28:59.359
which all these other things that you talk about that

523
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:03.200
yield awful results, but they mean, well, so they go

524
00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:04.519
ahead and embrace these things.

525
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:05.119
Well.

526
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:06.839
It works the other way too, though, if you have

527
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:11.160
somebodyho grows up a sheltered environment like mister Mamay, Yeah yeah,

528
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:14.599
yeah he and then it's so much easier to be

529
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:17.079
a shelter environment if you're on the progressive side, because

530
00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:19.920
you've got CNN in the New York Times, oh, entire

531
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:24.359
educational establishment and Hollywood and every government agency from the

532
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:27.720
CDC the FBI. I mean, it's ubiquitous, right, So it's

533
00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:31.160
like a fish not realizing the water exists. So often

534
00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:35.319
these these people that have been immersed in leftism are shocked,

535
00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:38.039
like Mamay was, at the idea that somebody could be

536
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:42.680
a conservative without being evil or stupid, and that leftist

537
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:46.200
is now twenty years old, and they are completely incapable

538
00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:49.279
of defending their own ideology. They've never had to do it.

539
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:51.960
And I really believe that Kamala Harris, isn't that. I

540
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.000
don't think Harris is as stupid as she appears. I

541
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:59.240
really don't. It's just she's never had any occasion to

542
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:02.279
explain her thinking. She's never really had an occasion to

543
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:05.000
think about her thinking. You know, it just is right.

544
00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:07.559
So if she's ever if she ever comes across and

545
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:10.720
he thinks differently, she's helpless and that's not really her fault.

546
00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:12.200
That's just the environment she was raised in.

547
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:14.440
That's true. That's true. Yeah, she's never heard the other

548
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:17.480
point of view. But which gets back to you what

549
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:19.400
we began talking about a little while ago, is when

550
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:22.119
you see the results unfolding all around you, right, all

551
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.680
kinds of crime in the streets, the borders being overrun,

552
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.000
the US has a kick me signed on his buttocks

553
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:31.440
all around the world. At a certain point, you would

554
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:34.039
think you would go, you know, this may not be working,

555
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:37.680
but they apparently don't or can't see it or do it.

556
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:40.000
I don't understand what happens in their minds.

557
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:43.400
Unless they're underlying ideology is fundamentally anti America.

558
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:43.839
There we go.

559
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:46.759
Then it makes sense, And again I hope that's not it,

560
00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:49.079
but that's one possible explanation.

561
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:52.839
Can we speculate then, that the popular vote going to

562
00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:56.359
Donald Trump represents an American population that is waking up

563
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:59.960
to what happens when there is unimpeded and unchecked growth

564
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:00.960
with the government power.

565
00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:04.720
Well, it's not unusual for people to, you know, the

566
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:07.160
same thing that you can vote your way into socialism,

567
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:08.279
that you have to shoot your way out.

568
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:08.519
Yea.

569
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:12.920
They you know, so much of it sounds so good they.

570
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:16.079
Go along with and you know, you know, Margaret Thatcher's

571
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:19.200
ratchet effect, where things do tend to move gradually to

572
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:25.279
the left, just because any bureaucratic organization will tend to

573
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:28.960
try to expand its own power naturally and become more

574
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:32.440
important and more helpful to others. Right, So things do

575
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:34.440
tend to move the left, and people go less nice

576
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:38.960
will help the baby seals, and we'll get pure poverty

577
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:41.920
and all those things. And it sounds good. And by

578
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:46.200
the time they realize what's going on, it's often too late,

579
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:49.000
and they get scared and they strike back, and then

580
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:51.160
things turn into a holy freaking mess and you end

581
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:56.319
up with the twentieth century. So no, it's possible that

582
00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:59.799
Americans are starting to recognize how deep the do do,

583
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:02.200
and they're trying to back away from the cliff that

584
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:05.839
they've been running toward for one hundred years, really ever

585
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:09.839
since Wilson. But just before they threw themselves over the cliff,

586
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:13.119
they decided, yeah, maybe.

587
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:15.960
This isn't so that's possible. I hope that is why.

588
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:20.359
I don't know. I did not expect Trump's election to

589
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:23.200
go that way, not that I was. I was shocked

590
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:26.799
when he won because the Democrats were governing as if

591
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:30.079
there would never be another election. They didn't seem to

592
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:33.000
care if their views were popular or not. They were

593
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:36.279
just doing whatever they wanted to. And that's something for

594
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:39.559
years it bothered me because I thought the Democrats for

595
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:42.079
a long time were being dishonest about their true ideology.

596
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:43.240
You know, when they said they.

597
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:45.960
Cared about baby seals, I thought they were just really

598
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:49.839
power hungry leftists like their socialist cousins. But they were

599
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:53.160
talking about baby seals to deflect criticism. And you know,

600
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:55.319
in those days, if you call the Democratic socialists, they'd

601
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:58.519
be insulted, you know. And then when Hillary was running

602
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:02.240
for president, I think it was in the general, remember

603
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:05.599
a reporter asked her, Hey, you know, these evil Republicans

604
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.440
keep saying that Democrats are really socialists. Can you explain

605
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:11.440
to our listeners what the differences between socialists and Democrats?

606
00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:13.359
And she couldn't say.

607
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:13.240
Yeah.

608
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:16.400
And then, and first of all, I was astounded that

609
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:19.039
that question hadn't occurred to her. And that's another example

610
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:22.039
of the Kamala Harris bubble that Clinton probably lives in.

611
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:24.240
It just wouldn't occurred to her to anyone challenge her

612
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:24.519
on that.

613
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:27.799
But then a month later, somebody else asked the same question,

614
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:30.000
and she still couldn't answer it. And at that point

615
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.200
she had time to think about it. So at this

616
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:35.079
point even the Democrats were having difficulty defending themselves against

617
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:39.359
accusations being socialists. And then and then something happened pretty recently,

618
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:41.240
and I think it might have been Trump. Trump has

619
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:45.440
an interesting way of exposing people for what they are,

620
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:49.960
and they somehow volunteer this. I don't know what it

621
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:50.920
is about him.

622
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:52.880
But the rhetorical truth serum.

623
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:54.119
I yeah, something.

624
00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:57.799
But anyway, fairly recently Democrats have become a lot more

625
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.680
open about their true beliefs. I mean, they they now

626
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:03.680
openly criticize freedom of speech. You know, before they said,

627
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:06.720
oh no, we need fact checking. Now no, no, we're

628
00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:09.599
doing censorship, and you can't say certain things even in

629
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:12.599
your private conversations on social media. And you know, you

630
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:14.840
can have a lifelong liberal like Elon Musk just come

631
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:16.920
out and say that he thinks free speech is important,

632
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:20.800
and Democrats immediately accuse him of being a Republican.

633
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:25.000
And a fascist because he defends free speech.

634
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:27.440
And so he is. Now you know, it was he

635
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:30.559
supposed to do. I mean, if Bido a Work says, yeah,

636
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:31.639
we're yeah, we are going to.

637
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:32.239
Take our guns.

638
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:34.280
So I don't like the first Amendment, they don't like

639
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.480
the second Amendment. Now they're open about it. Bernie Sanders

640
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:41.239
really won their primary at least once and probably twice.

641
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:45.800
You know, Democrat voters wanted a socialist president. I remember,

642
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:48.920
you know Obama said, you know, you know, sometimes you

643
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:51.719
have enough money and that you know, if the taxes,

644
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:54.400
if we could lower taxes and gain more money for

645
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:56.639
the government, he said, we still shouldn't do that because

646
00:34:56.679 --> 00:34:58.719
a reasonable goal of tax policy was to make rich

647
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:02.000
people less rich rather than making poor people less poor.

648
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:02.360
Yeah.

649
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:05.079
I mean, so again, it wasn't that long ago where

650
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:06.880
if you accuse the Democrat of being a socialist, he'd

651
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:09.119
be insulted, but now they would agree with most of it.

652
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:12.000
And so when Democrats were pretending not to be socialists,

653
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:15.440
that bothered me. But now that they're openly saying that

654
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:18.599
they are socialists, that bothers me more. And I think

655
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:22.480
that one reason they're being more honest is I hope

656
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:24.760
this isn't right, but I think that democrats think that

657
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:27.599
they have gained absolute power, that their beliefs really have

658
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:30.400
become ubiquitous, have become the standard, and they can be

659
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:32.239
more or they don't have to lie anymore. And if

660
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:34.000
that's true, that bothers me even more.

661
00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:37.000
Well, so I kind of miss them pretending to be

662
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:38.599
just liking baby seals.

663
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:41.440
But the more candid they are, then the more the

664
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:44.480
more the more they stand out as being radicals. You

665
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:46.639
write an article call when people admit that they really

666
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:48.760
what they really think, then we have a problem. And

667
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:50.559
there's a quote in there that reminds me of what

668
00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:53.360
we're talking about. Now, You're right, most people will never

669
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:57.480
admit what they really think unless they're compromised children and drunks,

670
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:00.920
or unless they're hopeless and desperate. Only if they no

671
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:03.960
longer fear the consequences of their honesty. Will they admit

672
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.519
what they really believe? And getting to that question, I'm

673
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.239
wondering if some of the legacy media types, some of

674
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:14.480
the celebrities and smattering of Democrat politicians, they are lashing

675
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:17.119
out at the first week of the Trump administration and

676
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:19.960
just losing their marbles over it. Is it just an

677
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:22.519
act of desperation that they don't know what else to do.

678
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:25.639
They're out in the open because they think as one

679
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:28.360
final gasp, but maybe that will win some converts. But

680
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:29.280
I don't know, what do you think?

681
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:30.920
I don't know.

682
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:34.280
I think that they became more honest about their true

683
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:37.360
ideology before this, you know. Now, it might have been

684
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:39.960
during the first Trump administration. I can't put my finger

685
00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:46.320
on exactly when. Maybe during Obama when they really did

686
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:48.480
not they no longer felt the need to conceal what

687
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:51.239
they really believed in. It'd be interesting to know what

688
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:53.880
that was. Again, I think it's because they thought they

689
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:57.480
had elect you know, and when Biden won that election

690
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:02.360
with what eighty one million votes or something. Yeah, if

691
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:04.719
I'm a Democrat, yeah, I think, Okay, if we can

692
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:10.840
get a guy who is openly corrupt and obviously stupid

693
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:15.880
and he does not campaign and he gets fifteen million

694
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:18.920
more votes than Barack Obama, who is an inspiring leader.

695
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:22.239
I can do whatever the heck I want.

696
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:26.039
You know, why do I care what somebody in Iowa

697
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:30.719
thinks about my policies? Right? So I interpreted that as

698
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:35.199
an expression of power. And you know, and you know,

699
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:39.400
absolute power where even people that you know, everybody around

700
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:42.760
you concedes that you can do whatever you want. That's

701
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:46.320
what absolute power means. And I thought that's what that meant.

702
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:48.400
I hope I'm wrong. I'm not sure.

703
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:50.719
Well, I think I think it meant that. At the time,

704
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:56.360
I'm wondering, why are there having been roundly rejected, with

705
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:59.280
President Trump taking both Houses of Congress, in the White House,

706
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:03.599
in a conservative majority on the Supreme Court, why they're

707
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:05.639
not toning it down and trying to get along a

708
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:07.360
little bit. But they seem to have ramped it up

709
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.320
even more now that they've been repudiated by a plurality

710
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:11.280
of the American voters.

711
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:15.039
That's true, That's an interesting point. I don't think the

712
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:17.920
election is quite as over. I mean, you know, Trump

713
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:21.559
clearly won, and when you consider I mean, imagine if

714
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.880
the primary the election have been covered fairly in the press,

715
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:26.679
what would his margin victory been.

716
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:31.119
No, but so yeah, that was a substantial victory.

717
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:34.880
But I don't know. I think part of it is

718
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:39.320
that we are becoming more isolated and more. You know,

719
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:43.119
that's something the internet does, is you know, I intentionally

720
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:45.440
read a lot of CNN and New York Times and

721
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:47.119
Washington Post is to because I want to know what

722
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:48.199
everybody's thinking. Right.

723
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:53.000
A lot of liberals don't read Ricochet or more the Pity.

724
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:58.760
Yeah, So, I mean I think that they still really

725
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:02.280
believe this, like the oh gosh, there's a famous story

726
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:08.000
about when Reagan, no, when Nixon won like forty nine

727
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:11.360
states or something. They asked some professor and she said

728
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:13.840
it was obviously fraudulent because I've never met anybody who

729
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:17.440
voted for Nixon. And that's probably true because she was

730
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:20.800
like a Harvard professor, right. Yeah, So if you live

731
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:24.719
in that world and these people in Washington and the

732
00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:27.440
media above them, what have you, they probably were shocked,

733
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:29.519
you know, and it would be hard.

734
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:31.679
For them to stop and think, hmm.

735
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:32.000
You know.

736
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:34.880
The other thing too. To me, and I'm not.

737
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:38.440
The first person to observe this, but to me, leftism

738
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:42.400
is a religion that pretends to be a political system,

739
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:44.800
and Islam is a political system that pretends to be

740
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:48.159
your religion at that point. Yeah, and so a lot

741
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:52.159
of people just believe, you know. Now, the problem with

742
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:54.400
that logic from my standpoint is I really don't know

743
00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:57.599
what they believe in exactly as I said before, but

744
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:01.119
they clearly just believe in it. It's very hard for like,

745
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:03.719
I'm a Christian. If you told me that Jesus Christ

746
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:06.400
didn't exist, I would smile and nod, but I wouldn't

747
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:10.800
believe you. I mean, so, as someone who just believes

748
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:14.159
like that, it will understandably be difficult for them to

749
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:18.400
seek flaws in their own reasoning that that's perfectly understandable,

750
00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:20.559
especially if they're not around anybody who thinks differently.

751
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:24.679
Yeah. At first I thought this this question will be

752
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:26.679
off topic, but I don't think it is. I've been

753
00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:29.320
thinking a lot about this lately. I wonder if it's

754
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:33.320
almost better that Trump did not win in twenty twenty,

755
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:35.679
because it gave the voting republic a chance to see

756
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.239
just how bad things could get on the Democrats. I mean,

757
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:42.519
they're entertaining to listen to, but they're positively catastrophic in power.

758
00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:44.639
As we've seen. So I wonder if it turned out

759
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:47.599
to be an object lesson for Americans about how just

760
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:50.119
how just how quickly the freedoms that we often take

761
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:51.599
for granted can evaporate.

762
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:54.719
There were a lot of people who said that when

763
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:58.599
Jimmy Carter was elected, yeah, and Obama and probably all

764
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:02.559
the other time. And I, first of all, I think

765
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:05.199
that if you're trying to get what you want, that

766
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:09.159
losing elections is generally unhelpful. The other thing is that,

767
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:12.360
you know, if you look at the sweeping changes that

768
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:15.199
Trump has been trying to accomplish here in the first

769
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:18.880
week of his presidency and all the things he's accomplished,

770
00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:20.639
Mainly what he's trying to accomplish is get back to

771
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:24.719
twenty twenty, and a lot of stuff has happened.

772
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:26.760
I mean opening the southern border.

773
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:29.000
Okay, that Trump has basically shut it within a day

774
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:31.519
or two, but how many people came up, I mean

775
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:37.840
millions and millions, and he is deporting thousands, and so

776
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:39.719
there has been damage done that will be very difficult

777
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:42.480
to undo. So you make a reasonable point, and it

778
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:44.280
may turn out, you know, we'll see how history turns out.

779
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:46.639
It may be this could be a tipping point of

780
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:47.039
some kind.

781
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:49.679
There seems to be some momentum, but look, things are

782
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:51.880
going to go wrong, and it's going to disturb that momentum.

783
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:58.719
And I don't know Trump. Trump is he is, He's

784
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:01.960
an amazing human being. I don't understand how I mean.

785
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:04.880
I wrote one of my articles that I thought that

786
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:08.360
he was the first independent president would have had not

787
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:11.000
a political because he didn't have any support for Republicans

788
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:14.159
and he had less support from Democrats, and yet he

789
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:17.119
won an election. And so you know, most presidents, you know,

790
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:19.440
they're in the Senate for a while, they were a governor,

791
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:21.119
and they've got a lot of friends in the party,

792
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:25.239
and that you know, nobody likes every Republican politician thinks

793
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:29.000
they should be president. Right, So he is on an island,

794
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.480
and I think he understands that he's behaving that way

795
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:36.360
at least, so he perhaps he could make some real

796
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:40.760
changes if he can get this going. But gosh, he

797
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:43.639
is up against this. So much has happened, so much

798
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:47.159
has happened, so many institutional inertia in the federal government.

799
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:49.800
These are people that are not going to give up

800
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.159
and walk away. He has got his work cut out

801
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.519
for him. And I'm skeptical how much you can get done.

802
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:58.880
I again, hope I'm wrong, But he's just way deep down.

803
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:00.000
The holes can be hard to dig out.

804
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:02.519
So far, here's a force of nature and one to

805
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:03.119
be reckoned with.

806
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:04.079
He is.

807
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:08.719
But the government is big and powerful, and there's a

808
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:11.559
lot of people, a lot of very bright people who

809
00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:13.639
have an interest in maintaining the status quote.

810
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.840
Instead of saying that to protect our democracy, what they

811
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:18.519
really meant was protect our bureaucracy.

812
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:19.639
Yeah, that's right.

813
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:21.920
Well, any bureaucracy will do that, right, I mean, any

814
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:25.000
organizations not expressly right when we'll become left from over time.

815
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:28.440
And so it's not just them, it's I mean, you know,

816
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:34.920
you know, local charities and stuff. Once their problem is fixed,

817
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:39.079
generally a charity continues on meetings and they'll raise money.

818
00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:42.960
And March of Dimes completely changed what they do. I mean,

819
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:47.960
Red Cross. A lot of these just turn into self

820
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:51.559
perpetuating bureaucracies. And the US government is that times about

821
00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:55.840
a million. Good luck, I mean, I really I wish

822
00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:59.840
him great success. And if anybody can do this, it's Ken. Well.

823
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:02.880
Yeah, here's an ancillary question of the one I asked

824
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:05.360
just a moment ago about whether or not Americans just

825
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:07.599
need to see how bad it could get. Perhaps it

826
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:11.119
was better for Trump to have four years out of

827
00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:14.000
office to work through in his mind what happened, what

828
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:16.039
he needed to do, and how we needed to do it,

829
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:18.360
so he could do what he's done, which has hit

830
00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:19.519
the ground running with all this.

831
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:23.599
I agree. And you know, having them prosecute him for

832
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:26.320
you know, criminal cases have never been prosecuted for anybody

833
00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:30.760
else before, demonstrating to him clearly that our government views

834
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:33.679
him as the enemy. And I think he's partially now

835
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:37.400
he's pissed off, and secondly, he understands.

836
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:38.920
The situation he's in very very clearly.

837
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:42.800
I think getting shot there in Pennsylvania probably the big

838
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:45.760
impact on him. I think he feels he has nothing

839
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:52.039
to lose and a Janis Joplin song, I think freedom

840
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:56.559
is just another word. I think he just doesn't give

841
00:44:56.599 --> 00:44:58.639
a crap now, and he's pissed off, and it'll be

842
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:00.599
interesting to see what he can get done. And you know,

843
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:03.039
Democrat presidence off and push things towards the left. It'll

844
00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:05.079
be interesting to see what happens if somebody actually tries

845
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:07.280
to push things towards the right. I mean, Reagan didn't

846
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:11.440
shrink shrink the government, right, it got larger more slowly.

847
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:14.719
But nobody, nobody, in.

848
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:16.880
Two hundred and forty years or whatever it's been, nobody's

849
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:18.199
ever made it actually smaller.

850
00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:20.199
So yeah, you're right.

851
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:24.440
I mean, the guy's amazing, incredible, But gosh, good luck, good.

852
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:29.159
Good luck, you got it. Last question, your screen name,

853
00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:32.119
doctor Bostiat. How did how did you settle on that name?

854
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:33.199
How did all that come about?

855
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:38.639
Well? I initially I was going to write about topics,

856
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:41.400
largely medicine, because that's the one thing I know a

857
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:42.079
little bit about.

858
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:44.320
But first of all, I don't.

859
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:46.679
I don't write about actual medical topics because I think

860
00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:48.840
giving medical advice to people I've never met by a

861
00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:52.000
bad idea, you know, wearing a white coat. I mean,

862
00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:53.639
it's not like you meet somebody at barrow. You to

863
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:55.719
take that supplement, you'll feel better. I mean, I can't

864
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:59.960
say really anything without why if you're careful, you know.

865
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:01.960
What you can tell him. You say the holiday and

866
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:04.599
select last night, and then they'll take care of it all.

867
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:05.639
You know that's true.

868
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:08.360
But anyway, I intended to write more about medical stuff,

869
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:10.159
but I didn't, so I sided the doctor thing in there,

870
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:12.880
so because that's what I intended to write about initially.

871
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:16.800
And then Bastiat as you probably know as a French

872
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:21.039
philosopher who he wrote a well, he's an interesting guy.

873
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:22.960
He didn't really start writing about stuff till he was

874
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:24.920
about forty, I think, and he died and was forty

875
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:30.039
two or something. He had tuberculosis, and he wrote about

876
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:33.280
the broken window thing, you know, where he wrote that

877
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:35.760
famous essay of his was actually a letter to the

878
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:39.239
editor where somebody said, if you, well, if you break

879
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:42.599
the window, at least a guy who fixes windows will

880
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:44.960
be better off than he'll he'll buy lunch and then

881
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:48.480
it'll distimulate the economy or whatever. And he wrote back saying, look,

882
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:51.519
if all that happens, spend all this money, you still

883
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:54.079
just have the same window you had before. Nothing's better,

884
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:57.039
you know, And he argued that just spending money for

885
00:46:57.079 --> 00:46:59.039
the sake of spending money was really a good idea,

886
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:01.559
and of course he put it a bit more eloquently

887
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:06.360
than that. But he was a fascinating individual, and so

888
00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:08.519
I just admired him a lot. So, and it's kind

889
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:15.599
of amazing that a country like France, right he has

890
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:20.320
had some amazing philosophers, also some real dirt. I mean, sorry,

891
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:23.000
you know, some of these people are horrifying, But there's

892
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:26.039
been a lot of interesting philosophy in France. And my

893
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:28.719
wife is a Francophile. She majored in French and lived

894
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:31.719
in France for a while, and I'm really critical of

895
00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:33.480
a lot of French culture. And I think that's one

896
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:35.280
reason that, you know, West Africa is such a mess

897
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:37.559
that it is, whereas English colonies tended to do better

898
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:39.519
over time. I think there was a big differ between

899
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:43.400
French culture and English culture. But anyway, I admired him

900
00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:45.840
a great deal and I just combined it with the

901
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:46.760
beginning of my handle.

902
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:49.920
Well it works perfectly. I mean, it's fantastic. This has

903
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:52.559
been delightful. My only complaint is that it's gone by

904
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:53.760
entirely too fast.

905
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:59.159
Yeah, well, yeah, sorry, I've enjoyed this. Sometimes my profella

906
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:00.960
has been Now.

907
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:04.079
Look, I always enjoy your posts. The perspective is interesting,

908
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:07.760
writing is fantastic, So we should do this again sometime.

909
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:08.920
I love that.

910
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:09.320
Thank you.

911
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:13.679
I look forward to reading more from you, and folks,

912
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:15.840
do yourself a huge favor and head on Ricochet dot

913
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:18.519
com and read more from doctor bostiaut. You will love it.

914
00:48:18.519 --> 00:48:21.199
It's top quality stuff. Doctor Bostiatt, thank you so much

915
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:22.599
for taking the time to talk today.

916
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:24.639
Had a great time day. Thanks, thank you.

917
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:27.079
It's been a treat folks. As doctor Bostiat on the

918
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:43.119
Dave Carter Show, Hi, now let me bend your here

919
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:47.239
for just a moment here. Then doctor Bostiat was great,

920
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:52.760
wasn't he exceptionally well formed, extremely articulate. It's just a

921
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:55.639
compelling guide. He's great to listen to. And the thing

922
00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:58.760
is you can find that level of writing and speaking,

923
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:03.639
multiple writers on all kinds of topics, and they aren't

924
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:08.199
always political either. And just haul your kaisen to ricochet

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dot com or I C O C H E T

926
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:13.400
dot com and you'll see a piece on the weather,

927
00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:18.079
another article on what's happening in Korea, one on how

928
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:21.480
the Soviet space program went wrong. There's even one on

929
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:24.519
Millenia's hat called it ain't the hat, That's how you

930
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:29.360
wear it. Another from doctor Bostiot called sometimes we don't

931
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:34.039
notice the beauty that surrounds us every day. It's very true.

932
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:36.880
I mean the site is like a bouquet of vivid

933
00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:39.440
and interesting thinking and writing. Those talk those things I

934
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:42.039
told you about. They're on the main page right now,

935
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:52.159
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936
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:55.280
has all kinds of podcasts from man culture to commentary magazine,

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former education secretary of Way of bened is there and

938
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:01.159
this show. These podcasts like this one can be heard

939
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:06.159
just about everywhere on Ricochet of course, on Spreaker, iTunes, Spotify,

940
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:10.320
even Pandora carries this program. I'm telling you it's breaking

941
00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:18.840
out everywhere, you know, like the flu. And you can

942
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:22.719
find this show on my website, which I'll link to

943
00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:29.559
in the little introductory paragraph that shows up on these episodes. Meanwhile,

944
00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:33.000
I hope you've enjoyed the services here today. I've enjoyed

945
00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:35.480
putting this together for you as I always do. So

946
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:37.480
with my thanks to doctor Bosti out for taking the

947
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:39.239
time from his capitle to talk to us, and with

948
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:42.719
my very special thanks to you the listener. I'm Dave Carter.

949
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:43.880
I'll see you next time.

950
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