April 20, 2026

From a Thank-You Letter to a Final Conversation- Lawrence Perelman Remembers William F. Buckley Jr.

From a Thank-You Letter to a Final Conversation- Lawrence Perelman Remembers William F. Buckley Jr.
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In this heartfelt episode of The Dave Carter Show, host Dave Carter sits down with Lawrence Perelman—a gifted musicia and author of a the new book, "American Impresario, William F. Buckley and the Elements of American Character. Mr. Perelman is the Founder and CEO of Semantix Creative Group, and a passionate advocate for classical music and Western cultural heritage.

As a young man, Perelman formed a remarkable friendship with the legendary William F. Buckley Jr., who became both mentor and close friend after a simple thank-you letter sparked an enduring bond. Perelman shares intimate stories of Buckley’s deep love for classical music and his commitment to the enduring values of Western civilization. Listeners will be moved by Perelman’s account of their final remarkable conversation—the very evening before Buckley’s passing—and how that friendship continues to shape his life’s work today.

Through his leadership at Semantix Creative Group and other initiatives, Perelman carries forward Buckley’s vision by ensuring classical music reaches and inspires new generations.Join us for a rich, reflective conversation that celebrates mentorship, cultural preservation, and the timeless power of music and friendship. This is an episode you won’t want to miss.

Please feel free to visit us as DaveCarterShow.com, leave a review or even a voice message and tell us what you think!

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Meet Dave Carter, a veteran of the fight, swamp dog

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The day, caught a show where the stories flow from

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battlefields allways. It's a long loadio with a hard full

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of coverage and a green on his face.

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He'll think you on a journey through time and spa.

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I am Dave Carter, and it's a pleasure as always

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to welcome you to the show. Great to have you

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folks here with me, Great to have you listening in.

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Have you ever heard or seen a prominent person, or

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even read a book by a prominent author, and felt

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such a connection or a kinship of sorts that you

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absolutely must meet this person, if for no other reason,

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then simply thank them for their wonderful influence on your life.

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Our guest today has felt very much like that, and

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the result has been a life changing course of action

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or yeah for him, and wonderfully edifying for us as well.

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Mister Lawrence Pearlman is with us today. We'll have a

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conversation with him. Coming right up Dave Carter's show. That

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gorgeous music that you're hearing is incredibly distinctive. I mean,

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the music itself is from franz List transcription of some

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works by Robert Schumann. But as Leslie Nielson said in

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the movie Airplane, that's not important right now. What is

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important is that A that exquisite music is being played

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by my guest, and b it's being played on William F.

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Buckley's own nineteen twenty seven Bosendorf for a grand piano,

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or as Pat Buckley would say, Bill married me for

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the piano. Lawrence Peerlman is a first generation American, his

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family having left the Soviet Union in nineteen seventy five,

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along with hundreds of thousands of other Soviet Jews whose

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prospects in the uss ARE were increasingly dim. Mister Pearlman's

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parents arrived in Saint Paul, Minnesota in July of nineteen

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seventy five, with five hundred dollars to their name. The

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remarkable turns in mister Pearlman's life are due in part

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to his close friendship with William F. Buckley Junior, a

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relationship he describes beautifully in his book American Impresario William F.

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Buckley Junior and the Elements of American Character, published by

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Vombited your Books. And it's a pleasure beyond description to

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welcome him to the proceedings today. Mister Pearlman, how are you, sir?

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Thanks Dave Gray, and please call me Larry.

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Okay, I will do that. I will do that. Thank you,

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And with your permission, I'd like to read a quote

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from your book and then asked you to take the wheel,

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as it were, and guide us through how you came

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to No, Bill Buckley, here's what you're right. Quote. I

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have countless memories from my childhood house a few blocks

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from the Mississippi River, and one in particular, from the

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nineteen eighties, remains emblazoned in my mind's eye. An image

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of a cheery eyed man on the television in our

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living room, leaning back, smiling, red pin in his hand

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and clipboard on his knee. The music of Bach is

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bellowing forth. It's firing line, and my parents are watching.

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William F. Buckley Junior has entered my life unquote. So

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how did your parents come to mister Buckley's program, and

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in turn, what was it about him that attracted your

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attention so early on?

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Well? As you mentioned my parents, and thank you so

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much for having me on the show. My parents came

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from the Soviet Union, and of course English was not

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their first language. So back in the three or four

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channel universe in the nineteen eighties, they were going through

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these channels and they came upon William F. Buckley Junior's

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firing Line. And I was maybe seven eight years old,

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and I saw I saw Bill, and I tried to

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understand what Bill was saying, because he spoke the kind

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of English I had never really heard before, and my

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parents never heard before. So how did immigrants learn English?

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How did they better their reptoire of words in the vocabulary?

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It was through programs and my parents That's what happened.

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And my parents absolutely adored, adored the program, and adored

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Bill Buckley and really saw him as one of the

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pre eminent heroes of history, because the man changed history.

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He was a cold warrior, as we know. And all

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the dots connect from Bill Buckley to Ronald Reagan into

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the end of the Soviet Union, no matter what anyone

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will ever tell you, if that is for me, chapter

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and verse. So, as a little kid growing up with

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parents like Batt who made reality, you know, made me

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understand the reality that we were in. That's how he

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was introd introduced to Bill Buckley.

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And he played no small effort in the effort to

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get you your family and families like yours out of

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the Soviet Union as well.

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Absolutely. I mean he was a very big lobbyist, you know,

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in terms of informal lobbying, let's say, and through media

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and other let's say advantage points and access points that

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he had to encourage the Soviet Union to release in

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an American government, to make deals to see Soviet Jews

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come to America and to come to the West.

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Now, your musical interest and talent derive in no small

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measure from your mother's side of the family. Is that correct?

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That is correct. Although my father, my father loves music

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and has a good singing voice, so that every knows

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every composition that's out there. You know, he was an avid,

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avid concertgoer and listener. But my mom is a piano teacher,

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continues to this day to teach piano in my childhood

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and in my childhood house, the one house that they

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have owned since nineteen seventies. Yes, she still has about

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thirty students going through the house every week, you know,

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little kids from ages six to probably seventeen or eighteen.

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It's pretty amazing, that is your Your interest in development

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as a young pianist led to studying under Yakov Gelvin,

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if I pronounce it right, who was originally from Leningrad.

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You referred to him as the best piano professor in

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the Twin Cities, and I was struck by the way

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you characterize playing in front of him and his mother,

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who seemed to be perpetually scowling at you. You referred

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to her as sort of a bad cop. Bad cop route.

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The Russian listen the Russian. The Russian training method is

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infamous and famous for many reasons, and intimidation being one

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of the factors. I mean, you need to be scared

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a little bit to do well. That's kind of the

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old school thinking. But Yakov was a legend, and I

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didn't know it. I didn't know that he was a

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legend when I was a little kid and really came

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to him. I knew that he was important, but it

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became completely clear as he took what was a relatively

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talented ten year old and transformed him myself into a

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real chemist. You know. I came in flat fingered in

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a way. Yeah, and he took me and he guided

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me and through just a natural posture. But these kind

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of people there, they're few and far between today. But

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I was very blessed to have him just a mile

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away from our house.

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It sounds like an incredible blessing if but it also

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sounds like a Paris island of learning how to play

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a piano, like Marine Corps boot camp, almost, you.

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Know, absolutely weird. You can't listen, you can't get good

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at something right without big challenged and absolutely so that's

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the reality.

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So let's fast forward the summer of nineteen ninety four.

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You've been accepted at the Manhattan School of Music in

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New York City, and you pretty quickly decided to write

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a letter to Waymett Buckley Junior. Tell me what motivated

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you to take that step and how that all unfolded

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and evolved.

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You know, it's amazing sitting in New York City right now,

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married with two little girls, six and three, and looking

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back basically thirty thirty two years ago, it's kind of daunting.

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But I tell you I haven't changed that much in

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some ways, and it's still as as dream like today

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as it was then. Because I was a little bit

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down as people were reading the book about the fact

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that I hadn't been accepted at Juilliard. I had been

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was and everyone knows the Juilliard School, but I settled

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for Manhannes School, which is a very good school, and

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one of Yakov's colleagues actually ties in with Yakav was

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teaching there. So Yakav said, you should go study, and

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I saw it as a trojan horse, an opportunity to

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go to New York, where I really wanted to be.

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I knew from about age six that I wanted to

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live in New York City. I wanted to be around

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all the action, and basically I ended up in New

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York and I didn't have many friends. I was reading

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Happy Days, We're Here Again, a book that Bill Bill

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had authored. It was a compilation of his articles from

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about a decade during let's say the eighties, and it

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was the end of that era, the Reagan Bush hears,

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and so his happy days were here again to play

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all the FDR famous FDR happy days are here again.

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And in that book there were several wonderful articles about

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classical music, and one was about the three hundredth birthday

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of Johann Sebashimbach in nineteen eighty five. And another was

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the journey that Bill took in learning about concerto for

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an invitation he received from the Phoenix Symphony. And that

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was a hilarious article because basically Bill interviewed himself for

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The New York Times, and in that piece, he asked himself,

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you know, a how did you come up with this

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idea of playing? Who invited you? And what piece to

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do learn and all this kind of stuff, And I

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just thought, you know, this man is so extraordinary. I've

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known about him since I was a kid. I knew

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all about National Review because I was reading National Review

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as a teenager, and I realized he lives in New

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York City and he loves classical music. So you know

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what I'm going to do. I'm going to write him

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a letter. And when I look back now, I think

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how crazy and way crazy. But my mom always instilled

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in me this idea that I could meet anyone. All

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I had to do was write them a letter. And

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you know what I did. I sat down. I actually

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borrowed a word processor from a family before everyone had

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a computer, right before I was just getting my first

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computer in that fall, but I borrowed this work processor.

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Handwriting wasn't very good, and I typed out this letter

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and I basically thanked mister Buckley at that point for

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having emboldens of your juice come to America to make

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it here like my parents, and said that I wanted

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to play a recital for him as a thank you persident.

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It was just an idea that I can up, but

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I thought, why not play it thank you recital for him?

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And I sent it off to National Review. And a

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few days went by, and I was a very impatient kid,

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very very impatient. Today I'm very impatient, but I was

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so impatient I called National Review. I just called up

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and asked for William at Buckley Junior's assistant, and I

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got this English accented woman on the phone who later

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I had learned was Fascist Bronson, his longtime executive assistant.

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And she answers the phone when I asked for the

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assistant and I said I wanted to see if mister

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Buckley received my letter. She said, how would be now?

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He receives hundreds of letters everything. I said, But I'm

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the eighteen year old tennist. I did receive your letter,

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and he'll reply in due course. And she put the

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phone down on me.

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Oh oh wow.

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And one week later I had this letter on the

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floor by my door in this apartment that I shared

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with a number of people on the corner of eighty

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first and Broadway. It was just sitting there. My mail

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would be dropped right by my door, and I was

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looking at it and it was this gleaming white envelope

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with William F. Buckley Jr. On the return address. I thought,

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it's a foreign letter, I immediately, so I just thought.

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So I opened it up and there was this letter,

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I mean from William F. Buckley Jr. And hadn't just

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been that, that would have been amazing, but it was more.

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It was actually first he apologized for taking so long

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to reply to my letter and then said that he

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would love to invite me to his house to play

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piano for him when he returned from a book writing expedition,

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as you put it in the sprint, And that was so.

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I wrote that letter in September of ninety four, and

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I was waiting until eight of ninety five, and that's

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when I went went and met William up.

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Up the Gang. Okay, yeah, so the recital was locked down,

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but there was a bit of an issue I think

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with practicing and preparing for the recital. You had to

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find a suitable place to do that.

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I was. I was practicing in Manhattan School with music

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at that time. I didn't have a piano, and I prepared, prepared, prepared,

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and thankfully, I mean, I could find practice time there.

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And then it's tyne My Hall. And then I didn't

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know what to buy Bill, you know, I think a

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funny one of the really funny elements in all of

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this was I wasn't sure what to bring for the

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man who had everything.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, And a friend.

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Of mine said, you know, why don't you buy him

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fresh squeezed orange juice? Because everyone loves fresh squeezed orange juice.

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So I went over to zay Bars. I lived right

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across the street from the iconic food and forum zay Bars,

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and I bought two quarts of fresh squeezed orange juice,

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and I brought it to the Great Way and fought wow.

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But I was just nineteen, and I couldn't bring wine.

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I couldn't buy a bottle of champagne. I couldn't bring.

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Cigars with the orange juice.

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Exactly, exactly, just the orange juice. And why don't we

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hit the punchline on that one, unless I don't want

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to go ahead? Good question, but it was it was

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for your audience to know. I mean, when you think

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about it, I was nineteen, I just turned nineteen years old,

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and I had this golden ticket from basically Willy Wonka

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of the world. And that's how I viewed it. It was

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like winning a golden ticket.

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I existed him, and I walk over to seventy third

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in Park and I ring his doorbell and he opened

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the door and he was standing right in front of me,

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and I said, mister Buckley, said nice to me, and

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I said, I brought you something, and he said what

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And I gave him the bag and I said fresh

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greezed orange juice, and without missing a beat, he said

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from his and I said, no from So that was

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kind of a classic, you know, classic quick yeah, quick

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moment in my early life with Bill Buckley.

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I years ago I interviewed Peter Robinson in a similar fashion,

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and I asked him what it was like meeting President

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Reagan and how that moment squared with the iconic persona

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of Ronald Reagan, that the barssona that the public knew.

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So in a similar similar way, my question to you,

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what was it like finally coming face to face with

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what I would think would be a pretty intimidating presence

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from what we see on firing line? Was you know,

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I know, people say, well he was mortal, you know,

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but I mean with any any lasting impression that was

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maybe different from what you saw on TV.

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I mean, to me, it was completely completely different. I mean,

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I mean Bill, Bill Buckley, he was. He was tremendously

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intimidating on television. I think, the the the charisma and

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the to pounce you know on those who he knew

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how to. You know, he just knew the way in.

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He knew the way in for arguments to win arguments

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and everything But what struck me when meeting with him

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was how approachable he was, how comfortable in his own

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skin he was. He never tried to intimidate in just

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personal interaction. And if they did a mock firing line,

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we'll get to that a little bit. At a dinner party,

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of course, said suddenly or antennas had to be up.

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But otherwise Bill Bill was just he was just an

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amazing person. You know, he was just an incredibly nice

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person and totally approachable. And it tells you something about

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the number of friends that Bill Buckley had. I mean,

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he if you value, if you could measure a man

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by the number of friends they have, Bill Buckley was

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a great man just based on that. And Milton Friedman

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was really the one who's said that his greatest virtue

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was friendship, and that's something that's something that we could

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use today in our political class, especially to learn to

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disagree but still remain friends in some way. And he

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had friends from all walks of life, you know, all.

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Stripes, Oh yeah, yeah, all sides of the political aisle.

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So how did the recital go? Everything cool?

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And the keep that first recital was amazing. I mean,

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I played a bach prilig in Fugue. I played a

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piece by W C called Vijus Island of Joy, and

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I played at Shasnej transcendental Ude by Frances List, basically Snowstorm,

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evoking the Snowstorm, and it was it was incredible. I mean,

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to be able to be in his presence for about

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an hour, to play as you mentioned on his nineteen

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twenty seven Berson Over which which was a tough, tough instrument,

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but you know it had some some my little minds

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here and there by a beautiful instrument. But to be

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in his presence and eat between each piece. He asked

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me about my life, about my family, about my aspirations,

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and he really wanted to get to know me during

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that time. And after one hour it was it was over.

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I was back on yeah, the third in part and

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one of the most exclusive, you know areas of Manhattan

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and therefore one of the most illustrious places in the world.

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And back out on the street, and all I could

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think about was how do I get back here right right?

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It's kind of like Alice in Wonderland and then have

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to go back home. Now I know that due to

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financial constraints, you wound up moving back to Minnesota to

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finish your undergraduate studies, and that is as much as

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you enjoy playing classical music, your business and entrepreneurial instincts

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were kicking into focus as well. You wanted to get

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back to New York and pick up where you left off,

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and so you went to New York in nineteen ninety eight,

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I believe for a month to see if you could

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secure the means and methods to be able to move

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back permanently. Yeah, And it turned out that Bill had

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done some planning on your behalf and introduced that aspect

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or that idea to you, I believe over lunch or breakfast.

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It's nothing of that order. What was that about.

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I mean, what's kind of amazing about all of this

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was there was that first letter we talked about, the

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second letter, really the second letter to Bill, where I

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stated that I wanted to do for classical music that

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which he had done for conservatism in America. That really

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ended up changing my life because I had just graduated

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from McAllister College, one of the most liberal and progressive

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colleges in the country and probably much more so even

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today than it was in the nineties when I graduated

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and I was one of the only conservatives to graduate.

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I think in that class, if you found a good lawyer,

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you may get pain and suffering for that order.

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But it has, you know, it has some great things

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about the school. But it was an interesting era for me.

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And here I am writing again to Bill Buckley, and

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after having a professor in political science who had a

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poster in his room, you know Carl Mark's poster. Anyway,

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all that said, I write to Bill and I state

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this symphatically again. Now I'm twenty two years old, and

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I get a call from Francis Bronson, this time saying

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he wants to see you. I mean, imagine what that's like.

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He wants to see you, And I said, I'm happy

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to see him. So I flew out to New York.

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And it turned out when I was doing research for

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the book, and when I was just looking through all

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this stuff, it turned out that Bill had lunch with

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Skylar Chapin, who was the Commissioner of Cultural Affairs and

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a longtime friend of his, a childhood friend of his,

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right around the time that my letter came in. So

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had he never had that lunch where Chapin told him

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the music education, arts education were being reintroduced in the

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city schools under the Giuliani administration. And here, you know,

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Giuliani was Republican mayor of New York City. Skylar Chapin

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was a old solid Liberal but joined his cabinet, let's say,

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his cultural cabinet as Commissioner of Cultural Affairs, former general

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manager of the mat and everything, and was so thrilled

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this was happening. I mean, annenbrug Foundation put a ton

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of money into this match in the city, right, and

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Guliani loved to operas. So Giuliani said, this is a

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priority for us. And here I'm this kid. My letter

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comes in, and Bill, why does he have to do this?

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You know, just think about that. I spend time in

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the book analyzing this, but to this day it blows

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my mind. He sees my letter and he circles what

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I wrote, you know, this key point that I want

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to do for classical music, that which he had done

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for conservatism. He says to his assistant, basically, find thirty

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minutes for him, like I need a meeting with him.

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And when I walked into his apartment or mason atte

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five thousand score foot masonette on the corner of seventy third,

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not an apartment, right. He already knew what he wanted

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to do, and he knew what he wanted to offer me.

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And this was November, and I wrote him in September.

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I still to this day can't get over that. And

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he offered me a twenty five thousand dollars grant through

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his foundation, the Historical Research Foundation, to look into exactly

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what was happening in the city schools and to kind

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of answer an unanswerable question of what happened to several

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generations of school children who never heard the sound of

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Beetho and Bachma outside, et cetera in schools. So that

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but I think for your audience it's kind of maybe

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I think it's such a big deal. But when you

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think about how busy a person Bill Buckley was and

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a letter coming in, and yes he had assistance and everything,

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but he paid attention. He paid attention, and this is

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something we can all learn from today, to learn from

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something like that today, I.

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Want to keep going down that dune on that path,

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but I've got I want to take a little side

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trip if I'm mad, because I know we'll returned your

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affection for classical music in mind and builds a little detour.

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An anecdote. I was in college in the early eighties

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and I was had to write research research papers and

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things in the library. So I would go there and

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not write the research papers. I would read the things

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I wanted to read instead. It included a lot of magazines,

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news papers, and books on current events. Well, one day

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I happened to pick up, completely by random, a book

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called The Jeweler's Eye, a book of irresistible political reflections

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by William F. Buckley Junior. I didn't know who he was,

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but I thought that was a pretty audacious title. So

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I'm going to flip through the pages and see if

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it lives up to the building. I opened it to

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a random page and I was gobsmacked. I didn't know

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writing like that was even possible. It was a symphony

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in pros, you know. The style was ornate, magnificent, the

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wit was razor sharp. All done was this delicious sense

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of humor and mischief. Buckley spoke the flat footed truth,

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as I called it, about things, but in a way

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I'd never heard before. And you wrote on that yourself

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that his writing had a musicality to it. I don't

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know I've never seen it like that before or since.

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So I picked up your book and see that you've

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had the same kind of observation, which is extraordinary. I

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found somebody else that think thought the same way. I'm

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reading his writing, perhaps I should get out more. But

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was that as a singular phenomenon in your mind as well?

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When you read Bill's work, is it kind of Is

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there anything that comes close to that in terms of

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the musical musicality, the cadences that he uses for different

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type of writing, that kind of thing.

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I think that it's both in speaking and writing, you know,

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as Bill, everything was so in a way preordained. I mean,

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I think that there are a lot of a lot

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of parallels between Bill and Mozart and Bill and Bah,

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maybe more so Bill and Mozart. It just came so

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easily to him, you know. I mean maybe he would

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maybe he would counter and say it wasn't easy, but

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it flowed and it Maybe it's the fact that he

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learned other languages than English. First. I think the order

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was actually Spanish than French, than English, and that it

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informed all of the tambore and then there was the

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southern element to it. But that's in the speaking, but

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in the writing. Everyone. You talk to Bill's friends and

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you ask, and they'll say it came. It just flowed

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out of him. He could write a review. It was

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kind of a funny thing. And maybe some people will

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who pooh me for saying was but I think Bill,

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on a few occasions famously wrote reviews of books that

466
00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:35.839
he hadn't even completely written. I read it, and he

467
00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:38.240
wrote a review. But and it was a pretty good review.

468
00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:40.480
Someone once said, you know, it's a pretty good review.

469
00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:42.559
And he just kind of skimmed through the book. But

470
00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:47.440
he had that ability to capture, capture the essence of

471
00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:51.920
things and then beautifully communicate it. And I think that

472
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:55.960
what you hit on by reading that it's like reading

473
00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:58.759
a musical score and hearing it. Yes, right, because that

474
00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:01.519
doesn't happen for the average person in terms of reading

475
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:04.079
a score and hearing in your head. But when you

476
00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:06.599
read beautiful writing and you can hear it in your

477
00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:09.240
head in that way, yes, there's something very very special

478
00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:09.559
about it.

479
00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:15.480
He described writing as sweaty, hard work, but by the

480
00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:18.119
same token, I think he also said that he took

481
00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:19.799
about twenty minutes to write a column.

482
00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:23.680
Yeah, I mean, I think it's kind of that columns

483
00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:27.119
were maybe a little bit more evangelical in a way,

484
00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:29.799
you know, like evangelizing a little bit. So he was

485
00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:32.880
able to just like he was able to create, whereas

486
00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:34.880
if he had to write a novel something like that.

487
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:37.079
You know. I have a couple of friends who worked

488
00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:40.960
on books with him, and they did some heavy lifting

489
00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:43.519
research and then he would write and he would he

490
00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:50.160
would condense everything into this kind of prose. It was special.

491
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:52.559
I mean, to be surrounded by all of that, it

492
00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:55.359
was tremendous. And your anecdote, I mean, just the discovery

493
00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:57.200
of Bill Buckley. When you think about the fact that

494
00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:03.000
today he's a discovery for people. You know, we're talking

495
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:07.559
about eighteen years now since Bill Buckley passed away. He

496
00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:09.279
would be one hundred and one this year.

497
00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:10.039
Goodness.

498
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:13.920
So it's kind of surreal when you think about that,

499
00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:17.400
and there are people who literally have never heard of him,

500
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:20.400
you know, never period. But if you got into YouTube,

501
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:23.319
it's kind of extraordinary how much you can find at

502
00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:23.799
Bill Buckley.

503
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:25.759
Yeah, that's true. Well, in my case is I think

504
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:29.519
nineteen eighty two, I believe, and I I was nineteen

505
00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:32.960
years old and I found that I discovered that I

506
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:35.200
just had had no idea that that was even possible.

507
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:38.720
And to this day, well, he's one of my have

508
00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:40.880
a few favorite writers. He's at the top of the list,

509
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:44.480
though It's okay, So Bill actually took my appreciation and

510
00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:46.640
love of classical music to a new level, and I

511
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:50.720
appreciate yours and Bill's evangelistic zeal and nurturing classical music

512
00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:53.319
and helping it endure in the modern world. To that end,

513
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:56.079
you've taken on a great many roles and endeavors, such

514
00:27:56.119 --> 00:28:00.839
as founding Semantics creative group and link somehow to the

515
00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:03.160
research that Bill asked you to do years ago with

516
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:05.279
respect to the public schools in New York.

517
00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:10.160
And it's all, let's say, it's all intertwined in some way, okay,

518
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:15.279
some yeah, So tell me about that please if you would.

519
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:21.119
What that my my ultimately, my entire career has been

520
00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:26.680
with a mission driven life to see the classical music

521
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:31.480
play as large a part in society as possible and

522
00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:34.920
our culture and to secure it. Let's say, it's a

523
00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:38.079
bold statement to say to secure it. I mean there's

524
00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:41.119
a lot of pessimism about things like high culture and

525
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:44.119
classical music. I think globally there are more people listening

526
00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:47.640
to classical music than ever before. I mean, every piece

527
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:53.599
of music is available on Spotify, Apple Music, and every

528
00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:58.720
streaming platform, on YouTube, countless performances, interpretation. I mean, it's incredible.

529
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:00.720
I mean you don't have to go record shop, you

530
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:02.400
don't have to go to CD's shop, you don't have

531
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:05.039
to do any of this. It's all literally in your pocket.

532
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:08.000
It's pretty amazing. So my company grew out of this

533
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:13.160
idea of working with classical musicians, with conductors, with festivals,

534
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:18.160
on communications, marketing strategy, all these kind of various tactics

535
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:21.559
related to big strategies to make as big an impact

536
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:24.440
as possible, and that all grew out in my ambition

537
00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:27.319
to become a canists at first, but then realizing my

538
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:30.799
kind of limitations, let's say, for a performing career, I

539
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:35.799
decide deciding to play a more business side and business approach,

540
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:38.119
but still to be at the center of music making.

541
00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:41.640
So I've been very, very honored to work with some

542
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:44.880
of the great conductors. I work with John Andrea Nozeta,

543
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:47.960
who's the music director of the National Symphony Orchestra, which

544
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:50.119
has been in the news a lot lately because of

545
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:54.880
the Kennedy Center make their home there, so it's an

546
00:29:54.920 --> 00:30:01.240
interesting kind of situation there. And I also worked for

547
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:05.400
many many years with the Saltzburg Festival and advised them,

548
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:08.599
the Dresden Music Festival, worked on a project with the

549
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:11.759
Vienna Philharmonic, the Chicago Symphony. I work with a great

550
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:16.000
Uzbek pianist named Bexod abdu ra Yimov, with a great

551
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:19.359
young Italian conductor who you're going to hear much more about,

552
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:23.039
Danielle Obristoni, who's the new principal guest conductor at the

553
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:27.039
Metropolitan Opera. I work with a company called Rare Violins

554
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:30.839
of New York, which is an extraordinary rare instrument dealer.

555
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:35.200
And I also work with the great philanthropist David Packard

556
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:39.279
of the Packard Humanities Institute. And those are just some

557
00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:42.599
of them. I have to say that it is mind

558
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:45.920
boggling when I talk about this in my career, which

559
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:49.200
is a very I'm usually behind the scenes, but to

560
00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:54.599
say that the greatness of our country and the testament

561
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.160
to our country, and the testament to my parents for

562
00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:01.720
choosing to come to America and instill values in me

563
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:06.759
of hard work and perseverance and the belief that anything

564
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:11.440
was possible. The one generation jump is pretty incredible. And

565
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:13.799
I say that I'm trying to say that modestly. I mean,

566
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:16.759
I work all the time and I never take anything

567
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:19.200
for granted, but when I recount it sometimes I have

568
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:22.680
to look and say, it blows my mind. You know

569
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:26.319
that this has even happened, and it's because of my parents,

570
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:28.240
and it's because of Bill Buckley.

571
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:32.519
You wrote, we put a quote in your book, and

572
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:34.759
I'm going to use that too, because we're talking about

573
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:38.359
how universal classical music is. It doesn't belong to anyone culture,

574
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:41.119
or anyone ethnic group or anything of that nature. You're right,

575
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:43.359
you said, I believe the Bill that people like Bill

576
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:47.039
we're the ones defining culture, and therefore people recognize classical

577
00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:51.359
music's importance. His generation believed that humanities were just that.

578
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:54.200
The achievement of human beings and not of one race

579
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:58.000
or ethnicity. To Bill Bach was divine and not merely

580
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:00.440
the creation of a German Man who could and relate

581
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:03.880
to today's inner city school children. The entire argument that

582
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:07.359
classical music is elitist is a figment of imagination and

583
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.720
not based on fact. Ultimately, throughout the world, one sees

584
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:15.359
many examples of average citizens in countries with no ethnic, religious,

585
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:19.720
or cultural connection to Bach, Beethoven, Mozart or Taikovski's celebrating

586
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:23.440
those composers and so many more in myriad ways. They

587
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:27.079
say that music is a universal language. But certainly classical

588
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:28.400
music appears to be that way too.

589
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:36.799
I know the author of those words. That's a great quote.

590
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:39.039
I haven't gone back to read my book in a

591
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:41.200
little while. I have to say that's a really powerful

592
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:42.519
quote because it.

593
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.680
Is so true. And we sometimes lose, you know, as

594
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:50.279
people say, we lose the plot on this. I mean,

595
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:56.519
it is extraordinary to think that Mozart who was born

596
00:32:56.599 --> 00:33:01.279
in Saltzburg, right, and bah who was born in Germany,

597
00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:05.480
and you look, you look at every composer, I mean,

598
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:09.039
every one of the great composers, and you think about

599
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:13.559
they are truly universal. Their music is performed by everyone

600
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:17.599
of every ethnicity, consumed by everyone. No one's saying you

601
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:20.400
can't listen to this music because of this or that whatever.

602
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:23.680
People just know because they are the humanities. And we

603
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:26.400
can say the same thing about amazing music that comes

604
00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:29.960
out of any other culture in any other country. But

605
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:32.039
when when we break it down, I mean, it's been

606
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:35.079
it's you know, it's a it's been a discussion point,

607
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.880
let's say, for far too long. But for me, there's

608
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:42.119
no question, there's no question at all that this is

609
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:50.079
some of the greatest creation in human history. And if

610
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:53.319
you've never listened to Ba or Mozart or Beto and

611
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:56.000
anyone on listening to your podcast, if they kind of

612
00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:59.799
heard a few things or this or that, you have

613
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:05.839
such an opportunity in your life for extraordinary experience just

614
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:09.519
to go and start listening to some Bach cantatas or

615
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:14.840
to Bach mass or to handle Messiah, or to Beethoven symphony,

616
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:17.119
and not even just the famous ones, right.

617
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:18.880
Right, These were.

618
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:24.159
People who walked among us, who created these things. It's

619
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:24.800
mind boggling.

620
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:28.760
Not long after the Berlin Wall fell, my father was

621
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.360
a minister of music in Georgia and they had a

622
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:35.400
group of ministers of professional ministers of music in Georgia

623
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.599
called the Sons of Jubil, and they made a trip

624
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:41.039
to Germany and they had the opportunity to go into

625
00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:43.639
what used to be East Germany, it would have been

626
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:46.800
behind the Berlin Wall, and play at a church that

627
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:49.760
had not been used in a very long time. And

628
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:52.559
my father said, that the people were outside and it

629
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:55.039
just wasn't room to contain them all in the sanctuary.

630
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:57.719
They had speakers outside so that they could hear. And

631
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:02.559
when they began playing, me and certainly the group and

632
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:05.639
unexpected this. That was part of the ensemble, the play

633
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.119
where you played trumpet. So as soon as they began

634
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:13.199
to play, people in the congregation or audience openly began weeping.

635
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:18.079
They were all just sobbing because these it were sacred music,

636
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:20.800
but they had not heard it at all, let alone

637
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:23.679
in the church is where it some of it originated,

638
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:27.280
and it was just so incredibly moving to them, again

639
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:30.280
further test testifying to what you're talking about, how moving

640
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:33.320
and just suburb it is.

641
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.239
Yeah, I mean, and today you know, we're surrounded by

642
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:40.559
so much noise, and as I said before, we're surrounded

643
00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:43.480
by everything all the time. And you can have any

644
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:46.760
piece of music at any time. But there's even a

645
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:52.079
more important rationale behind going to a concert hall or

646
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:55.679
going to sacred space and listening to music there go

647
00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:58.519
and hear an organists play in a church. I mean,

648
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:00.920
I was in Cleveland a couple of weeks ago and

649
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:05.760
my client was conducting with Cleveland orchestra Daniel Ristoni with

650
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:09.920
Paul Jacobs on Oregon. And it was a Poulank concerto.

651
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:11.920
I mean, this is esoteric for your audience maybe, but

652
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:16.199
it was a Poolank Oregon concerto, concerto for organ and

653
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.159
timpani and of course orchestra. But you sit there in

654
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:22.960
this hall and you hear the organ, and you know

655
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:27.320
it's earth shattering. But imagine sitting and hearing this two

656
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:30.000
hundred years ago or one hundred and fifty years ago,

657
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:34.920
when we had nothing like no volume anywhere of anything

658
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:37.760
except you know, some loud events here and there. It

659
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.360
wasn't like turn up the volume right. You went in

660
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:44.760
and you thought that you were around holiness. Sure, sure,

661
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:50.280
perhaps the demons.

662
00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:52.559
I've likened I've liken listening to a lot of classical music.

663
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:57.159
As time travel, we get to literally hear these artists

664
00:36:57.199 --> 00:36:59.400
speaking to us over the centuries, and that always kind

665
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:01.000
of gives me chill. Not listen to it too.

666
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:05.239
Really, they never imagined, they never imagined that their music

667
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:08.800
would be played this much. Maybe maybe Beethoven, you know

668
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:13.159
he had a big ego, but Wagner surely thought that

669
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:17.280
he would be the only music played anywhere but ultimately,

670
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:20.280
if you think about it, it is staggering. I mean,

671
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:22.280
there's a lot of navel gazing that goes on in

672
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.719
classical music about as I said before, about the death

673
00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:28.000
of it or this or that. I mean, I'm a

674
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:30.119
half class full kind of guy. I look at it

675
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.559
and say it is extraordinary. I mean, of course, if

676
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:34.519
you're trying to launch a career and everything like that,

677
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:36.960
there are lots of realities, or even to keep a career,

678
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:38.800
there are a lot of realities. But if we speak

679
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:44.079
truly from a macro sense, it's it's it's exhilarating to

680
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:46.960
think about how much and it bothers me. You know

681
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:49.000
that there are people who go through their life and

682
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:51.559
never hear it. Yeah, and it's too much of a

683
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:53.880
catchel too. What does classical music mean? You get into

684
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:56.519
this bigger thing? Because it's so much music, it's from

685
00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:59.400
so many centuries, it's too much of a catchel. But

686
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:01.960
let's start them from the basic pillars. You know, do

687
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:04.119
yourself a favor and go hear some ba.

688
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:10.079
Well, I understand there's a channel on Spotify that plays

689
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:14.639
the Bill Buckley listening list music list. So sorry exactly.

690
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:19.760
So I created I created this Buckley Playlist on Spotify

691
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:23.880
with about fourteen hours of music that Bill spoke about

692
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:26.039
with me would have loved and this kind of thing

693
00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:28.800
and artists that he loved, and you know, for people

694
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:30.639
interested also, I mean, I didn't talk about this one

695
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:34.119
other thing which is very directly to Build Buckley and

696
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.559
knowing him. But I'm a co founder of Carnegie Hall

697
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:39.960
Plus and I do business strategy for it as well.

698
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:44.000
But it's a streaming service on video streaming service on

699
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:48.519
prime video channels on major cable systems around the country

700
00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:52.519
and also comcasts and Spectrum and Apple TV app. And

701
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:57.239
we have hundreds and hundreds of programs of classical music performances,

702
00:38:57.320 --> 00:38:59.599
the best of it from around the world. And this

703
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.320
is really inspired by Bill because I came It's called

704
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:04.639
Carnegie holt Pluss and when I moved to New York,

705
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:06.519
it was one of the things I wanted to do.

706
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.480
And Bill said to me to start some kind of

707
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:12.119
performing arts channel, and I really wanted to do it

708
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:14.920
with Carnegie hol And we're looking back almost quarter century

709
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:18.239
ago and Bill Buckley said to me, go, you know,

710
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:21.519
go work on your project, go do your things. This

711
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:24.400
is already in ninety eight when he gave me the grants,

712
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:26.599
and before I even thought about doing anything with Carnegie

713
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:29.679
hol So, he was really always there, Yeah, encouraging.

714
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:33.320
Let's return to the Masonet for a bit. Yeah, you're

715
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:35.599
right about the wonderful dinners that Bill and his wife

716
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:38.079
Pat Wood host on a regular basis for National Reviews editors,

717
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:41.000
special guests, and how the evening would sometimes take a

718
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:44.400
turn to take a firing line sort of atmosphere as

719
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:46.800
people would disagree, debate and all that kind of thing.

720
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:50.960
But the friendships endure it. It didn't change that, and

721
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:54.400
you mentioned it earlier, but Bill inspired the idea that

722
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:56.920
you can disagree but still be friendly. Politics was not

723
00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:00.599
the blood sport quite literally that it is now. Is

724
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.079
there any chance you think that we can get back

725
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:02.280
to that?

726
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:06.320
You know, it's going to take a lot of work.

727
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:10.360
I'm an optimist, And the line that sticks with me

728
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:14.760
most of all in my friendship with Bill from those

729
00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:19.760
early early days was after one of these amazing dinners.

730
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:23.679
I mean they were really out of another era Salon concert.

731
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:25.840
You know. I played a lot of these recitals and

732
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:29.400
then others, and then there would be dinner and the

733
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:32.119
mock fineline as you said, And at one point I

734
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:34.599
asked him a political question after one of these events,

735
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:36.960
and he said to me, you know, Larry, politics is

736
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:41.480
my vocation, not my avocation. And I think that that's

737
00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:45.239
a big part of it, again, driven by social media

738
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:51.000
in many ways, there's never there's never a pause button

739
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:54.159
on the campaign, there's never a pause button on rhetoric,

740
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:59.000
there's never a pause button on the debate. And I

741
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:04.960
think that politicians would behoove themselves to pull back once

742
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:10.360
in a while and read some literature. Go to a museum,

743
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:15.320
go to a concert, study the piano, study the violin.

744
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:21.079
Take on painting, consider sailing, you know, any of these

745
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:25.360
things that Bill Buckley, as a renaissance man did write

746
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:31.800
a spy novel. Get away from the arguments, try to

747
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:35.679
find something common, you know, with your political opponent too,

748
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:40.320
and we're too much. Yeah. Again, I'm not a politician,

749
00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:43.159
and I really don't work in the political sphere. But

750
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:47.079
I'd say that there's so much about you have to

751
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:49.280
agree with me one hundred percent of the time, right,

752
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:52.559
you know, And and we know this is on both sides,

753
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:57.599
and in so many ways that's that doesn't allow us

754
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:01.239
to find a commonality and I think people can people

755
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:05.760
o roll their eyes, but this is what differentiated someone

756
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:08.679
like Bill Buckley. And when we're on a search, you know,

757
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:11.159
people ask is it possible to have another Bill Buckley.

758
00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:12.840
I mean, there was a time when there was no

759
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:14.800
Bill Buckley, and now there's a time when there's no

760
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:17.039
Bill Buckley. So I think that we have to be

761
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:19.079
on a search for virtues. We have to be on

762
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:24.360
a search for culture, for humanities, for these things that

763
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:30.199
are going to outlive us. And it's not an easy search, right.

764
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:33.440
Dave, it's not. It's not. And when all we have

765
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:36.400
is uh even they they call it the echo chamber

766
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.119
of social media. It's more of an amplification chamber. But

767
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:42.000
everyone out there it looks like they're two dimensional to

768
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:42.679
everyone else.

769
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:46.039
Yeah, and everything is stuck on such a tiny screen

770
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:49.360
the thing, so it's much easier to insult someone or

771
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:51.679
to throw things when when you're not in front of

772
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:55.679
a real person like I oftentimes, Like one thing that

773
00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:58.480
really blows me away is how little we actually talk

774
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:01.840
on the phone. Right, soeople actually talk about phones and

775
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:04.199
they say we'll carry phones all the time, but the

776
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:07.679
reality is that we type thingless to each other. We

777
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.280
even call each other and look at screens and that

778
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:15.199
kind of thing. But but how often and we're doing

779
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:20.039
this conversation also on screen, But if you actually put

780
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:22.800
a receiver up to your ear or a phone up

781
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:25.639
to your ear and call someone, that's not very often.

782
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:28.960
And that's when you get into a person's head. So

783
00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:32.840
it's kind of fascinating. When I really want to have

784
00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:36.559
an important conversation with someone, I'll actually call that. People

785
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:41.639
are very shocked to get because it's so personal. I mean,

786
00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:43.719
it's so intrusive when you think about it, you're like

787
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:46.960
in the person's brain. So we've done everything we can

788
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:50.840
to move away from actually having this. You know, you're

789
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:54.719
wearing headphones so you hear me in your headache, but

790
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:59.360
the yeah, exactly, But but we've moved away from this,

791
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:02.079
and we've moved away from being in the same room

792
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:05.599
with people that we disagree with. So everything's just like, oh,

793
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:08.599
it's and and then you pooh pooh a person who

794
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:10.679
actually gets together with someone that they disagree with, and

795
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:12.360
you say, how can you possibly do that? Even for

796
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:12.920
a minute.

797
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:15.360
That's true, and for me to agree with that, it's

798
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:18.559
kind of a mission against interest. Some'm always always but

799
00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:21.840
I'm kind of a bit of a curmudgeon, and I

800
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:23.840
just cannot stand it when somebody just shows up at

801
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:26.079
the door. They didn't call or anything, just here, You're

802
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:30.039
going to entertain me for a while. I've not a

803
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:31.960
rebel against that. So for a while I had a

804
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:34.000
welcome at that said when people walked up and said,

805
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:37.599
I see the assassins have failed. But real, real, subtle,

806
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:39.199
you know. But still I do like I do like

807
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:41.719
being I like being around people to some extent. But

808
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:46.519
the evening, that last evening that you were with with Buckley,

809
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:51.079
you wrote you guys toasted uh with with with vodka.

810
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:54.880
You watched the Philharmonic perform in North Korea, listened to

811
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:59.480
Beethoven's fourth Piano Concerto. It just did a magical evening.

812
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:02.119
And then you said at one point, and this, I

813
00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:03.880
guess turned out to be the last question that Bill

814
00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:07.239
asked you, do you think the harpsichord is today facing

815
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:11.320
its great its challenge as a musical instrument. And in

816
00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:14.440
a way that's kind of esoteric, you know, a question

817
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.360
I'm going to extrapolate with your kind permission for just

818
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:17.679
a moment.

819
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:19.360
Sure, of course, because.

820
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:21.000
In a way I think Bill was a lot like

821
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:25.519
a harpsichord. He was a Baroque like figure. He was irreplaceable,

822
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:30.039
ornate in ways that modern taste can't easily accommodate. He

823
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:33.960
carried a tonal quality that's nothing like that replicates today.

824
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:37.519
So the question of harps harpsichord survival is in a

825
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.280
larger sense to me, the question of whether the civilization

826
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:42.400
that gave us Bill Buckley can survive.

827
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:46.199
It's a Brillian, intense question.

828
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:51.760
I mean, full guy, right, yeah, I am.

829
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:54.320
And I love the way the way you put that,

830
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:56.440
which I think I've never heard anyone really put it

831
00:45:56.440 --> 00:45:59.000
that way. That Bill is like the harpsichord in many ways.

832
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:06.239
I think that in music, silences are some of the

833
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:08.760
most important things, Like it takes a long time to

834
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:11.840
understand that when you're learning an instrument. My teacher, you know, Yakov,

835
00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:15.159
would say, you have to listen to the rest. You

836
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:16.679
really have to listen to the rhythm. You have to

837
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:22.559
listen to the rest. And in order for civilization to survive,

838
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.079
we have to listen to each other in some way. Again,

839
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:27.400
I can see the eye rolls now, but we have

840
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:31.079
to listen. We have to listen to each other in

841
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:35.000
a way, and Bill disagreed with a lot of people

842
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:38.440
because but he listened to them and then disagreed and

843
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:44.480
had the conversation right. And to hear a harpsichord, you

844
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:47.719
really have to listen closely because it's a very soft instrument.

845
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:51.559
I actually went to a concert a month ago. An

846
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:54.800
exhibition about the life of Mozart opened here, a pretty

847
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:57.440
amazing one at the Morgan Library. You have to be

848
00:46:57.440 --> 00:46:59.719
in New York. You should see it. And his clavichord

849
00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:03.559
was Now the clavichord is even smaller than a harpsichord,

850
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:07.920
and it is tiny. It's maybe three octaves. It's about

851
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:11.800
twenty four or maybe thirty thirty thirty five keys or

852
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:14.079
so out of the eighty eighth. But this was his

853
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:19.599
last instrument on which he composed the Magic Flute and

854
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:23.039
many many other works in the and the Requiem and

855
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:26.440
other works. And there was a concert given and you

856
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:29.760
could barely hear it. You could barely hear this thing.

857
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:34.639
And talk about time travel, imagine someone playing that, you know,

858
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:38.280
back in the seventeen eighty nine, the two years before

859
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:43.400
Mozart died. So Bill Buckley, yeah, I mean, he seems

860
00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:47.719
like an anachronism in some ways today, but he was

861
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:53.239
also he was also a product of the true media age.

862
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:59.880
You know that that Bill was perfectly constructed for the

863
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:04.880
dawn of television. Really think about mass media. He was

864
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:09.119
like a caricature, you know, he just it was extraordinary.

865
00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:13.639
So he permeated all of that. And I'd flip it

866
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:19.559
and say that he was harpsichord with incredible amplification. It

867
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:22.480
was like a heart succord you could never hear and

868
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:26.599
maybe never hear again. But your question about can we

869
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:31.679
survive as a civilization, I think we. I hope he

870
00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:35.960
will for the sake of my kids, rank great great

871
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:39.079
great great grand kids and everything. And the pendulum swings.

872
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:41.639
I think the pendsulum swings. And I think that the

873
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:45.199
more we've become distant in a way, the more people

874
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:49.039
are going to find ways to come together and to

875
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.599
shut out noise too. I think that's going to be very,

876
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:55.519
very important. And I was talking to someone the other

877
00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:58.280
day who said, neighbor of mine who said, you know,

878
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:04.239
his mom would tell him that basically all history was

879
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:07.880
always always around us. Things were happening all around the world.

880
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:10.679
Just right now, we're aware of every single thing I mean,

881
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:12.599
this is not original thought, but we know this. We're

882
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:18.280
just aware of everything at the same time. So that

883
00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:21.239
comes back to you know, our politicians, comes back to everything.

884
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:23.119
But you have to ask yourself a question someone, What

885
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:25.880
made Bill Buckley such a great man. What made him

886
00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:28.719
a great man was not the politics. What made him

887
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:32.000
a great man was everything else. And if he was actually.

888
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:38.840
His his culture, his virtues, his his upbringing, and if

889
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:41.800
you asked Bill what he really wanted to do, it

890
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:42.719
was to play music.

891
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:46.880
He wanted to be a musician. He really wanted that.

892
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:50.599
And I think that only after his faith was music.

893
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:53.880
Music was next, and politics. I don't think politics was

894
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:57.039
even the third, fourth, fifth, or sixth or seventh position.

895
00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:00.239
I think it would have gone sailing and then of

896
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:03.679
other things and then you would have hit politics somewhere.

897
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:07.559
Yeah. I was watched it a taping of fine Line

898
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:10.440
years ago that he was he played. I think it

899
00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:11.360
was Harps the Court.

900
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:14.280
I believe you can find it on YouTube. Everyone listening

901
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:16.880
to the should go and just type in Buckley Harps

902
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:19.360
Court firing line. It comes up, and I write about

903
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:23.360
my book. It's amazing. And he played really well, especially

904
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:26.000
the slow movement. He had no time, you know, to practice.

905
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:28.599
So he kind of figured and took on the challenge.

906
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:30.079
And I commend him for doing it.

907
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:31.800
Was it a page or two per a week or something.

908
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:32.679
He would try to learn.

909
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:35.159
A little bit of tact He took the number of

910
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:37.679
notes that it was hilarious. He basically counted the number

911
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:40.199
of notes divided by the number of days that he

912
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:41.679
had to learn it, and then said, I have to

913
00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:45.519
learn x number of notes every day. And basically the

914
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:47.800
teachers told him this is ridiculous, but he did it.

915
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:50.599
He learned it. He walked, he would travel with kind

916
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:53.719
of a dummy keyboard. He had all sorts of things.

917
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:55.960
He had a boat. He had a keyboard and a

918
00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:59.000
kind of a piano on his boat. So you always

919
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:03.519
found time to practice. And he was super efficient and

920
00:51:03.639 --> 00:51:08.199
super disciplined. Yes, And I recount those things in my

921
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:11.400
book about how at a dinner party, at a cocktail hour,

922
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:14.440
you'd want to talk to Bill as long as possible,

923
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:16.440
that Bill would talk to you for as little as possible,

924
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:18.320
and or to be able to talk to everyone. So

925
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:20.199
it was kind of like catching lightning in a bottle.

926
00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:22.559
And I forget where I read this, but he had

927
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:25.159
the habit supposedly that when it was time for everyone

928
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:27.840
to go home, maybe they weren't ready yet, he would

929
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.039
go to the piano and start playing Good Like Ladies.

930
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:35.800
Yes. Yes, Actually my friend, my friend James Panero, who's

931
00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:38.760
the executive editor at the New Criterion. He and I

932
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:42.360
met on Bill Buckley's bout twenty five years ago, twenty

933
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:44.880
six years ago now, and he was an assistant on

934
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:48.199
Spy Time the Boat, one of the spy books that

935
00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:52.119
Bill wrote, and he spent six weeks in Gestad with

936
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:55.280
Bill on this book writing expedition, and he had an

937
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:59.119
amazing time. And at the end of the evening, Bill

938
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:01.840
would sit down at the ghata and then make James sing,

939
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:04.400
and then everyone then.

940
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:07.440
Requests, yeah, can you stop? I like that. Well, for

941
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:10.320
what is from what is worth, from my humble perch here,

942
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I will posit that if civilization, civilization that gave us

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Buckley does survive, it will be in large measure because

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of your work in carrying on the flame that Bill

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passed to you. And I appreciate that so very much.

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Well, Dave Kinder words I haven't really heard. I'm very

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humbled by that. And I have to say that the

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honor was mine to have known dol Buckley and to

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be able to be kind of a disciple. I am

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a disciple, and the reason why I wrote this book

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00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:43.440
was is thank you gift to him for his hundredth

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birthday last year, but for it to keep giving for

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years to come, and to inspire others to write letters,

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to find mentors, for older people to find proteges to

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share their knowledge, and for his virtues to shine for many, many,

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many many years to come.

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Absolutely, folks, the book is American Impresario William at Buckley Jr.

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And the Elements of American Character. It's published by Bombed

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Deer Books and available from Simon and Schuster. You can

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find it that Barnes and Noble Bookshop, Apple Books and

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00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:17.000
Where's it? Which way I got it Amazon and a

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00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:19.639
lot more. Very poignant work beautifully written by our guest

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Larry Perlmer. Larry, thank you, sir. It's it has been

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a pleasure.

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00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:23.719
This has been.

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Exquisitive page so much has been a great honor. Thanks

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00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:26.920
for having me.

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Thank you, folks. That's Larry Pearlman on the day of

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Carter Show lastal review artist and cartoonist Roman Gain Is

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00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:35.599
on the line. When you look at someone and you're

971
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:39.679
going to do a caricature, is there a certain the

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00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:42.400
things that you will emphasize in the drawing, whether it's

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00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:45.239
the nose or the ears or whatever. It just pops

974
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:46.800
out at you from the first time you see them,

975
00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:48.239
Or do you have to puzzle over it and figure

976
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:50.360
out how you're going to make them into a cartoon figure.

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00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:52.880
No, it's a curse.

978
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:57.360
You look at people, You just do you look.

979
00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:00.679
Your speakers are making a funny sound listening to the

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Dave Carter Show.

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When I was in Security Forces training, uh, we worked

982
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:09.079
alongside and trained alongside Marine MPs. They were I mean,

983
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:11.199
they were the funniest group of people I've ever seen.

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00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:13.880
Number One. The humor is just great. But man, I'm

985
00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:15.760
glad they're on our side too, you know. I mean

986
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:18.559
it was They're a cohesive team, and like you said,

987
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:21.960
it applies across all the different arm arm Armed Forces branches.

988
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.199
I mean, these folks are bright, they know what they're doing.

989
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:25.880
They're glad to be there and glad to be serving

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their country.

991
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So well, all the conversations because somebody asked, so, what

992
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:35.440
did you talk about? All the conversations are about so

993
00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:39.920
this death and you know you find what kind of

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00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:44.599
you know, you know, what kind of was on the slope,

995
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:48.960
what kind of dollidbun left when when you know, when when.

996
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:52.039
I can't, I can't use the bleep button all that much?

997
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:54.039
Now you can't.

998
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:54.960
I'm sorry.

999
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That's okay.

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Friends. Are you tired of that nagging cognitive dissonance, that

1001
00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:05.960
strange feeling when you're up to your frontal lobe in

1002
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:09.360
an in depth discussion on symphonic prose and the fine

1003
00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:12.159
tuning of the written word, only to have your brain

1004
00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:16.880
suddenly shift into blues mode with full Wolfman Jack Cadence's

1005
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:20.920
and heavy metal thunder rolling underneath it. Do sudden demon

1006
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:26.320
possessed outbursts of have mercy interrupt your most stoic philosophical

1007
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:29.719
thoughts than you, my friend, have been writing the Dave

1008
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:34.760
Carter Confusion express. Let's face it, one moment you're savoring

1009
00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:39.400
William F. Buckley's back infused verbosity, the next you're howling

1010
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:43.320
the blues while a distortion pedal tries to roll over Beethoven.

1011
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:55.840
It's enough to give anyone a case of severe intellectual whiplash.

1012
00:55:56.400 --> 00:55:57.480
Worry no more.

1013
00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:03.320
Now there's relief introducing the revolutionary Dave Carter Cognitive Dissonance

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00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:07.719
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1015
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hidden connections between baroque counterpoint and a blistering blues beat,

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smooth out those acute mood swings between Marcus Aurelius and

1017
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:20.519
a midnight metal mosh pit. Master the art of fine

1018
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:23.920
tuning your cadence without your head spinning like a nineteen

1019
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:27.239
seventies disc jockey on a baggie full of bad blow.

1020
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And here's the best part.

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He elect right now will include absolutely free a genuine

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1023
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:43.840
comfortable neck brace is scientifically designed to prevent painful whiplash

1024
00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:47.760
after those sudden jumps from sympotic burbiage to full mad

1025
00:56:47.880 --> 00:57:18.840
jack cowels and rip cracking power cords. Thot, no more

1026
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:22.440
next strain from the by poor ballet of fox and blues,

1027
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:27.679
No more crying mercy while pondering the joy of plugging

1028
00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:32.039
your ears with a railroad spike. Operators are awaiting your call,

1029
00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:34.599
or at least they're laughing with the rest of us.

1030
00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:38.880
Call now at one eight hundred confused. That's one eight

1031
00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:45.000
hundred con f used supplies are limited, so don't delay.

1032
00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:49.199
Side effects may include uncontrollable laughter, sudden urges to air

1033
00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:53.760
guitar during philosophy segments, and the sneaking suspicion that William F.

1034
00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:57.000
Buckley himself would have preferred being governed by the first

1035
00:57:57.039 --> 00:58:00.559
two thousand names in the Boston Phone Book than trying

1036
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:05.199
to keep pace with this glorious mess. Call now operators

1037
00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:10.800
are standing bye.

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00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:16.599
Give me a little bit of.

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00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:36.079
Volumes, bold ideas, fearless voices. It's the Dave Carter Show.

1040
00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:53.079
All right, now, let me talk to you about what

1041
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:57.440
about that cognitive dissonance confusion? Kid, that's pretty good about it.

1042
00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:02.039
I get whiplass and cognitive confusion. That gut that whole

1043
00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:04.320
thing going. Every time I hear three or more people

1044
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:07.360
talking at the same time, I'm like they have a

1045
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:10.199
little cat in the in the meme was going wallllie

1046
00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:12.719
looking different directions in his ears are flipping back and forth,

1047
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:14.719
trying to figure out what the deuce is going on.

1048
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:17.440
If I'm being honest, two or more people talking here

1049
00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:19.559
once will do that to me. I'm looking for the

1050
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:23.559
railroad spike earpluge every time. Oh my lord, years ago

1051
00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:25.400
I was in a house where they had open house

1052
00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:27.559
for Christmas, open house, for New Year's open house, for

1053
00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:31.119
Easter open house, just on general principle, and to use

1054
00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:34.519
a phrase that the house is too quiet otherwise to

1055
00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:36.199
use the phrase that I would use with my granddaughter.

1056
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:39.400
I'm being totally serial here, Okay. I couldn't take it

1057
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:43.400
all that gumflap about nothing talking over each other. It

1058
00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:47.880
was just a cacophony of oh, just shoot me and everyone.

1059
00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:50.199
So the dog would look up at me like can

1060
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:52.679
we get out of here? And so it's like, yeah, sure.

1061
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:54.159
So the dog and I would head out the back

1062
00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:56.519
door and scot commune with nature for a while, because

1063
00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:58.920
I can't take that kind of thing, you know. But

1064
00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:01.719
what I can take here's the kind of conversation that

1065
01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:06.000
we had with Lawrence Peerlman the day. I mean, that

1066
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:08.880
was fantastic and all of those wonderful things. Diemming from

1067
01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:11.880
a single letter to Bill Buckley in nineteen ninety four,

1068
01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:15.599
he just goes to show you you never know what

1069
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:19.199
seemingly small and trite thing will be the key to

1070
01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:21.119
a whole new life where your dreams come true. You

1071
01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:23.239
really never know, you know, So just don't give up.

1072
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:27.000
That's that's the only requirement. Don't give up. There's a

1073
01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:30.119
there's a music service that I subscribed to. They do

1074
01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:32.840
a lot of music for the program here and I

1075
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:36.679
put together some ideas for a song about perseverance, and

1076
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:39.320
they put together it's a motivational song, a lot of

1077
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:42.960
you know, power rock chords and rib cracking power chords

1078
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:46.000
and things, but it basically says that when you're getting even,

1079
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:48.239
that's when you have to try harder. That's when you

1080
01:00:48.280 --> 01:00:50.559
got a rise to the top. Don't settle for less.

1081
01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:55.079
And that's what Larry Pearlman did, and that's what we

1082
01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:57.000
try to do here. The day of Carter Show that

1083
01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:00.719
the last month's numbers were through the roof. By the way,

1084
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:03.079
thank you so much for listening and sharing this program

1085
01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:07.000
to your friends. Keep doing so. That was just incredible.

1086
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:10.039
Is we're actually heard in I think over thirty countries

1087
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:13.519
around the world right now as well, So it's growing,

1088
01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:16.599
it's going to keep growing and uh and and you're

1089
01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:18.559
helping folks. You are you are. You are such a

1090
01:01:18.679 --> 01:01:23.599
vital part of it all. And it helps too that

1091
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:26.719
with the type of people that we interview. Brian Rust

1092
01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:30.000
talk show host e Straordinaire and he's running for Bake

1093
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:34.079
County Commissioner right now. Keith Gross, a self made man

1094
01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:36.840
who's who's running for US congressman and he's not going

1095
01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:38.800
to take a salary if he's elected. All of his

1096
01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:41.840
salary goes to local charities. I mean, how often does

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that happen?

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Uh?

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Then in today my conversation with a very gifted gentleman

1100
01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:50.119
who was one of many beneficiaries of the multi fast

1101
01:01:50.119 --> 01:01:52.599
three way of Met Buckley Junr. You know, but that

1102
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:54.800
ain't all y'all, because we've got some more good stuff

1103
01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:58.239
coming up, very very soon. We've got more actors coming up, musicians.

1104
01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:01.719
Musicians are always walking around here. We'll get campaign updates

1105
01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:04.880
for Brian and Keith, along with more newsmakers and some

1106
01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:08.159
genuinely interesting minds. We're always on the lookout for that,

1107
01:02:08.239 --> 01:02:10.840
and we'll bring that to you. By the way, keep

1108
01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:14.320
those voicemails coming, all right, We'll be featuring the Krim

1109
01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:17.400
dot Krim again very soon. We've got some good stuff.

1110
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:19.920
But hop on over to Dave cartershow dot com. This

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Dave cartershow dot com. Leave us a review, record a

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01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:25.000
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01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:36.199
be getting us our newsletters behind the scenes stuff including bloopers,

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God help us, and discounts on some swag. And it's

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all free. With the swagger isn't free. The discounts are,

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01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:43.719
but the newsletter all that kind of stuff that's free,

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but you get it if you're a subscriber. So please

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head over that pop up hits and go ahead and

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01:02:48.719 --> 01:02:50.760
fill out your name and email address and all that

1123
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:54.039
kind of stuff. Speaking of fun, I do hope you've

1124
01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:57.159
enjoyed the program today. It's always an honor and crazy

1125
01:02:57.199 --> 01:02:59.480
fun putting these shows together for you, and I'll always

1126
01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:02.920
look forward to comments and voicemails. My thanks to mister

1127
01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:06.719
Lawrence Pearlman for taking time out of his busy schedule

1128
01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:09.039
to talk with us today about his friendship and mentorship

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01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:11.800
with arguably the guy who is wits and whose mind

1130
01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:14.400
was vital in winning the Cold War and seeing to

1131
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:18.239
the civilization would continue to endure and with helping folks

1132
01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:20.599
like Larry Pearlman and anyone who takes the time to

1133
01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:23.000
read and learn to understand what the great minds of

1134
01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:26.280
history have passed along. We have a chance on enduring.

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01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:28.920
We stand on the shoulders of giants. Never forget that,

1136
01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:31.840
whether we realize or not, that is the truth. So

1137
01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:34.760
thanks to Larry and to a very special radio announcer

1138
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selling Dave Carter Cognitive Confusion Survival Kid, don't leave home

1139
01:03:38.800 --> 01:03:42.639
without it, And with my profound thanks as always to

1140
01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:45.360
you the listener. I'm Dave Carter and I'll see you

1141
01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:45.880
next time.

1142
01:03:51.159 --> 01:04:01.119
Dave, no room for a ground. The story boat from

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01:04:01.159 --> 01:04:04.920
Battlefield to Highways. It's a wild rodeo with a heart

1144
01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:07.519
full of couson a green off the space.

1145
01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:11.000
He'll take you on a journey through time and space,

1146
01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:22.400
stories and green high through the stories we share. Today's

1147
01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:27.079
sort of laughter, that's all taken tear a military the

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time of braving Boat, The Dave Carter Show.

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A treasure trove of gold,
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Lawrence Perelman

Author of the book, "American Impresario, William F. Buckley Jr, and the Elements of American Character, Lawrence Perelman is founder & CEO of Semantix Creative Group, a strategic advisory firm specializing in business strategy, management and PR/Communications for a wide range of artists, institutions and companies in the performing arts. He has advised some of the greatest artists in the world, including conductor Gianandrea Noseda, violinist Anne-Sophie Mutter, pianist Martha Argerich, as well as the legendary Salzburg Festival for over two decades. He is also a co-founder & business strategy consultant at Carnegie Hall+, a performing arts streaming service. He is a native of St. Paul, Minnesota and studied to become a concert pianist. He attended Manhattan School of Music and graduated from Macalester College with a BA in Political Science and Music. He holds an MBA from Columbia Business School.