June 27, 2025

Dr. Stanley Ridgley; "DEI Exposed"

Dr. Stanley Ridgley; "DEI Exposed"
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This episode marks Dave's debut on Rumble with a full audio/video presentation. To mark the occasional, Dave had the honor of hosting and interviewing Dr. Stanley Ridgley about his brand new book, "DEI Exposed; How The Biggest Con Of The Century Almost Toppled Higher Education."

Professor Ridgley's book is meticulously sourced to the tune of 599 footnotes, copious original source documentation, and more information than could possibly be contained in a single interview. As Dave said, "It's like trying to extract a singe teaspoon of water from Niagra Falls." As the conversation unfolds, we are learn of everything about the academic ecosystem that allows fraudsters to gain a veneer of academic credibility with which to wreck higher education from within. The book also contains the practical implications of DEI, including the story of Oceangate, whose CEO advertised that 50 year-old submarine veterans need not apply in the construction and operation of the Titan submarine, which was to explore the Titanic on the ocean floor - the result being that sub imploded some 12,500 feet down into the Atlantic, killing the four occupants instantly.

It's a fascinating conversation in a fascinating new chapter of The Dave Carter Show!

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Storytelling the story of hell. It's Dave Carter, and this

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is the Dave Carter Show.

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I get all the music lined up and properly so

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it doesn't repeat itself. We'll get there, all right, folks.

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Greetings to all of you who are listening and watching

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this show from all across the country. I'm Dave Carter.

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Is that very kind introduction by mister James Live suggest

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I'm a jack of all trades and a master of Yeah,

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a couple of them, I guess. But this this is

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our maiden voyage on Rumble and across various other platforms

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as this hideous and crazy program continues to spread like

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across the country like the flu, and in other countries

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as well for that matter. Now we are on Rumble.

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Now we're on YouTube, We'll be on Truth. We are

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on Truth Social as well. I think we'll be live

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streaming on Rumble. That'll be the primary place, perhaps YouTube,

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occasionally Truth Social as well Facebook, live streaming on Instagram

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on x In addition to the places where this podcast

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in the audio form is heard regularly, it'd be Speaker, Ricochet, Pandora,

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Stitch or Spotify, iTunes, Podbean, you name it, Airport, radar, microwave,

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and all kinds of places. It's hurt everywhere. So I

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am having a blast. I'm sitting here mission control. Let

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me let me show you, give you an idea what

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the place looks like when you're trying to put all

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this together. So all these little buttons and things that

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I've got on the right hand side there, that's the

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roadcaster pro that gives you the audio. You see everything

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on the monitor, and beneath that it's a stream deck.

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I hit various things and stuff shows up. Assuming that

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it all works the way that it's supposed to work.

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But it is a trip trying to figure all this

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out in lifetime while while flapping my gums and trying

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to keep you folks entertained. But it's going to be

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amazing fun. I'm getting used to it. I'm enjoying it.

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Done a few test runs now, so far, so good.

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I have a good time doing this, obviously. So if

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this is your first time seeing me, then you're probably wondering,

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who's this grumpy old fart on the monitor? Well, I'm

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not always grumpy, somewhat of a curmudgeon. I'm kind of surly,

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I guess in a way. But not all the time,

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notwithstanding the welcome mat that I had in front of

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in front of the cottage here that says to welcome people.

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Since I see the assassins have failed, I think it's

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pretty good. I'm a military veteran, twenty years in uniform,

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three tours of duty in the Middle East, one year

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in Korea, various deployments all over creation, and so that's

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been kind of fun. By way of biography, I am

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a Before going in the military, I was a private

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detective here in the Florida Panhandle. I did twenty years

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in the service. As we said, after that, I drove

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an eighteen wheeler for fourteen years. I wanted to see

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the place I had defended for a couple of decades.

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I did fourteen years, drove over a million miles in

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an eighteen wheeler, logged accident free miles. Before all that,

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back when I was in uniform, I worked some side

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jobs and one of them was radioed as about one

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hundred and forty seven years ago WGBR in Goldsboro, North Carolina.

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I think it was eleven thirty oh am now there

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if rush Limbaugh was on that was on that station

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along with Art Bell like the UFO guy, Bruce Williams

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Finance Guide before Dave Ramsey, it was Bruce Williams. So

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I was on with those folks and thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed it.

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And let's see, nobody hear about us right now, right,

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So let's see if I can there's one button. Uh

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see how this works. Well, that's interesting, that's actually kind

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of fun. I enjoyed that anyway, about nine years ago,

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was it nine knows more? And longer than that. Back

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in two thousand, I got involved with Ricochet. Those are

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the folks that carried this podcast primarily for those of

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you who aren't familiar with Ricochet. You may remember President

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Reagan's Berlin Wall speech, mister gobertropt, tear down this wall.

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The guy that was his speechwriter, Peter Robinson. He's a

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fellow at the Hoover Institute at Stanford University, and he

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wrote that speech for Ronald Reagan. So he was a

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founder of Ricochet along with the co founder Rob Long.

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He was the executive producer for the TV show Cheers.

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You may remember that many years ago when he went

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on to record I'm sorry to produce several sitcoms. I

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did great Job, Sullivan and Son, among others. And now

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you can find him as a fairly regular guest on

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the Gutfeld Show on the Fox News Channel. Gutfeld Chorus

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is the number one late night program in the country,

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and Rob is with them quite a bit, and he

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appears in this program. We got to interview him a

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few times, and Peter and some other folks, and they'll

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be around. We'll have them on the show as well.

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Now you may recall and the opening to the program,

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James Lylac referred to me as a hell raiser. Well,

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that always at least in part to an abnormal abnormal abnormal, uh,

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sometimes a counterintuitively abnormal. Work's against my interest at times,

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but I have had to speak in my mind. That's

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been the case since I was a student. It's just

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like a personality tick right, and I speak my mind.

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I'm kind of surly sometimes and I'm I've always been

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very quick to call out bs when I see it.

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One of my favorite misanthropic personalities was Dorothy Parker Fantastic.

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She had the best book review ever. She wrote of

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a book that she had read. She said, this book

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should not be talked aside lightly. It should be thrown

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with great force. I like people like that, and she

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one of her comments was, I don't suffer fools, but

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I like to see fools suffer, So I'm kind of

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in that league, I guess. So there's that. And also,

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when I retired from active duty, my family showed up

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with the retirement ceremony, I believe, at least in part

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to verify that it was in fact a retirement ceremony

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and not a court martial, because you know, you could

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have gone either way. But whenever they whenever they read

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the retirement order, I guess they're pretty well locked it in.

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As I was leaving out the front door instead of

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out the back doors anyway, which brings you and I

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to this part in the program where we talk about

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our credo, the things that we will be doing and

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looking for here. So it's like four precepts, if you will. First,

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I want interesting people, compelling personalities, authors, entertainers, musicians, writers,

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We want to talk to you. We search for the truth.

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No legacy media, narrative, no narrative, We want facts, sources.

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And also I'm not an ideologue. I want common sense solutions,

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you know, just let me know what works. Lastly, we

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will always, always always make time for a laugh. It's

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a genetic trait for me, actually, But you just don't.

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You shouldn't take yourself too seriously, and we don't do

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that here. So what do you think now? If you

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disagree with some of the things that you may hear

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on this program, that's cool, that's wonderful. Reach out to me.

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I want to hear from you. My email is Dave

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Carter online at gmail dot com. Again, Dave Carter online

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at gmail dot dot com. And who knows, we'll talk.

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We have a civil exchange. If at all possible, we

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can air our differences and at least understand each other's position,

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even if we don't convince each other. And you never

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can tell. You may wind up as a guest here

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on the show with me, so we can explore this

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for our audience's benefit. Again, as Dave Carter online at

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gmail dot com. We're looking for cogent civil discussions. Okay,

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you resort to add hominem attacks, lose your marbles out

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here that quick? Is that pretty fair? I hope so,

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but I do hope to see to hear from you now. Well,

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then a few minutes here we're going to hear from

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doctor Stanley Ridgeley. He's the author, as you'll see on

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the screen there, of a book called DEI Exposed the

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Biggest con, How the biggest con of the century almost

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toppled higher education. I've got a copy of it. I've

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read it and marked it up. My wife says that

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it like Lasagna with all the markings. But he and I,

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mister Professor Ridgeley, and I are going to have a

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good conversation here in just a few minutes to discuss

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what DEI is, how it came, about, what it did,

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and how close we came to really, as he says,

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toppling higher education. One last point, if I may, and

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I do this because I'm closing in on sixty five

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years on this earth after all. So you may be

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wondering why am I here doing this? Why am I

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still writing still podcast and live streaming and digging into

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all kinds of issues and causes. Well, it's a real

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simple answer to that. If you look on the picture here,

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you see young man, let's get the professor moved over.

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You see a young child there at the Vietnam War

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tracing a name with his hand. My son and his wife,

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my daughter in law, she lost her grandfather in Vietnam.

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He was killed in action before she was born, and

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not too long ago they went to the Traveling Memorial

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Vietnam Wall, which is an amazing, amazing traveling Uh, it's it's, it's, it's,

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it's well, you just I get a case of lumpy

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throat whenever I whenever I see that wall. There's a

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photo that they have of my grandson with his little

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hand on the name of his great grandfather that was

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killed in action. And you see the name, and I've

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I've then to the Traveling Wall. And people don't refer

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to it as my grandfather's name is on that wall

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or my buddy's name. They say, my friend is on

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that wall. A buddy I served with is on that wall.

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My father, my grandfather, my husband, in the case of

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a lady, my student from many years ago is on

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that wall. It's very personal in more ways than one.

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So that's one of the reasons why I do what

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I do. This photo you see here, I'm one of

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the fourth generation in my family to serve in the military.

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The gentleman in the photo that you see there, that's

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my great grandfather. He served in France in World War one.

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That's where that photo was taken. He's an amazing guy.

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He jumped into a train years ago from Louisiana and

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headed out west and was a cowboy, the real deal.

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And then he traveled all over the world. He fought

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in the war, and he just he passed away. When

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on the evening that that Neil Armstrong landed on the

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moon Apollo eleven. That was nineteen sixty nine. I was

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seven years old, but I remembered pop Up Ben. We

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called him an amazing guy. And both my grandfathers served

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in World War Two in the Pacific theater, one in

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the European theater. My dad served, They're in the Cold War,

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in the early stages of the Vietnam War, and then

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in my case, I served from eighty three to two

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thousand and three, so we're talking the Cold War, Desert Storm,

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and the War on Terror. I had three tours in

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the Middle East get all that stuff done, and then

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a year in Korea. And the reason why we did that,

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if you will, it goes back to that little dude there. Okay.

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The point of all of it was to do everything

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that we could to give our children and their children

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and their children's children, a good life as a free

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citizen of the greatest country on earth, and hopefully a

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shot at living in peace. Now, I've devoted over forty

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years in uniform, in twenty twenty years uniform in forty years,

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more than forty years writing in a great many publications

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and platforms, making the case for liberty. That little guy

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on the wall, that name on the wall, that's like

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my grandchildren, they along with my own children, or the

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reason that I do what I do and the reason

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that I keep doing it. So there, now you know,

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there'll be a lot of interesting conversations to be had.

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Stay with us, please a lot of laughs. There's never

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a laugh, never too far from a laugh. So hang

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in there. We're gonna have a good time and it'll

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never be boring. I promise you that you're listening to

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eighty five point three FM, and you just heard my

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two favorite bands, Filter and the Refreshments shut Up the

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Day Garter Show. There's absolutely no better way to kick

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off this new phase of the Dave Carter Program than

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with an accomplished it's a perb scholar and a gentleman

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with something very important to say. There's a brand new

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book out there and is called DEI Expose How the

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biggest con of the century almost toppled higher education. You

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can see it there on the screen. Is published by

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Armed Men Lear Press. The author of that book is

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doctor Stanley Ridgeley, who is a gentleman of many talents

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and a formidable skill set, a clinical full full pressor

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just try that again, a clinical full professor of Strategic

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Management at Drexel University. He also holds a doctorate and

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master's in International Relations and Security from Duke University and

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an International MBA from Temple University. Oh yes, Doctor Ridgley

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has also studied at the Moscow State University in the

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Institute de Guestion Sociale in Paris. And I'm sure I

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assassinated the pronunciation of that, but I plead cajun. There's

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a former military intelligence officer who served in West Berlin

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and near the Czech German border, where he received the

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George S. Patton Award for Leadership from the Seventh Army

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and Coeo Academy, which to me, as retired in ZEO

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speaks volumes about the caliver of our guests today, Doctor Ridgley,

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thank you so much for being here today, Sir, I

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do appreciate it.

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Thank you, Dave. It's been a real pleasure to communicating

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with you and talking about these board issues, and I

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appreciate the invitation, the opportunity to speak to you and

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your audience about what I think is one of the

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major issues facing higher education today.

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I appreciate you writing this book. I make it a

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point to read the books that I've interview the authors about.

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Makes it for more interesting. He's changed. But there's one

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pitfall and I'm going to try to avoid. Your book

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is so wonderfully sourced, and the anecdotes are just overwhelming,

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and the evidence is there. It's a comprehensive take that

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would take a series of interviews to do so. As

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I said earlier, it's like doing a cliff Notes version

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of Crime and Punishment. You're going to lose a few

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jewels of insight in the process, but we're gonna do

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the literary equivalent of trying to attract a teaspoon of

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water from Niagara Falls. So we'll see how it goes.

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Fantastic, Let's see how it goes.

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go from there. Given your background with the doctorate in

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strategic studies, another one in international relations and security. Was

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there a single catalyst that set you on the road

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toward writing this book on DEI or was it a

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series of factors over time?

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and named, it would be to the death of George

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which led to a to a chaotic scene across the

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country of burning and looting and riots, over two billion

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dollars in damage to city buildings, to city property, to

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small businesses, and it also led to a lot of

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unrest on the college campuses. Now, I expected, fully for

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college campuses to simply observe what was happening and to

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continue business as usual. There was really no reason to

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change anything. But for some reason, college presidents nationwide decided

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to go prostrate or supine, if you will, almost simultaneously

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pleading for absolution for their guilt and the role of

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this problem that had erupted on the streets of Minneapolis

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and that was plaguing the entire country. And I was

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puzzled as to why universities would try to insert themselves

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into an issue that really had nothing to do with

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and I think that this racial reckoning that we saw

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in America, that's what it was named, a racial reckoning.

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There was an opportunity for America's left to social justice

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warriors to say, Aha, this is the wedge issue. We

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need to get into the college campuses and for finally

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establish a permanent presence in terms of a bureaucracy whereby

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we can inculcate our doctrines, our philosophy unencumbered by a contradiction.

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barbarians and said, we're going to invite into our campuses mediocrities,

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a flow of media, modestly educated bureaucrats to establish a

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lavishly compensated bureaucracy called DEI and whereby this DEI doctrine

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would be propagated, promulgated throughout the campus, every corner of

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the campus, and we would find that this was not

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creating a level playing field, which was the overt purpose

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of it, but instead allowing a noxious, prejudiced racialist doctrine

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to be propounded on the campus and funded by the

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university to attack people merely by virtue of the color

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of their skin. It's a scam called virtuous victimhood. Psychologists

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have called it that, and I can elaborate on that

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as we go.

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which I think is instructive or you're right. Quote DEI

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doctrine declares that somewhere, someone of the same ethnic cast

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as you has been wronged. Maybe you don't know for certain,

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you do know that your job, your responsibility, is to

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take umbrage. You should be offended. It's your obligation to

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recognize fabricated social injustice. Moreover, if you are of the

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same ethnic cast as the villain, you should feel guilt,

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collective guilt. When something happens. It conflicts with the notion

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of cosmic justice. It's time to move into action. It's

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as if, as I'm talking now, as if victimhood has

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become its own currency culturally, politically, economically, and that is

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a vital part of the con Is that correct.

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I have to agree what you just stated since I

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wrote it's it's a wonderful I think a metaphor for

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what's going on. It actually describes the actual chain of

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critical reasoning that people use when they're propagating DEI, and

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it correctly identifies correctly to scribes the doctrine, rather than

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hiding it, tipping the hat and just going public with

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the notion that well, we just want to create that

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level playing field, we want to give everyone a fair

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shot at the brass ring. We just want to teach

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about race, We just want to teach about slavery. No,

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it's none of those things. It is that that is

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uber affirmative action what I just described to you, which

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is how DEI is sometimes described. And we know that

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this uber affirmative action is quite frankly illegal. It violates

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the Constitution, according to the Students for Fair Admissions versus

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the actual, the actual doctrine of DEI, this racialist doctrine

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that is very primitive in its conception, very primitive in

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its application, is what is actually happening on the college campuses.

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administration are all about, and ordering colleges to say you

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can't do this. Now. If you want to do this,

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I'll backtrack on that. If you want to do this,

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you will not receive federal funds to uh to to

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continue this to fund this enthusiasm of yours for racial discrimination.

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a lot of people miss. A lot of people don't understand.

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Toward what end? What is the purpose of this con

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what are they what's the end game that they're trying

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transformation of the university. It's the transformation of the traditional

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Enlightenment university as we know, which is the pursuit of truth,

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which is the embrace of logic, reason, scientific method, the

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notion of progress, the notion of embracing humane values and

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to pursue truth wherever that may lead us. And it's

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basically the view that students and parents have. It's erroneous,

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this view that the university is a marketplace of ideas

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that will contend with each other, that will, you know,

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the idea that contends best and has argued most vigorously

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and most logically will win, and the loser will graciously

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leave the field. Well, that's not The university hasn't been

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that way for at least twenty five, maybe fifty years.

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crucible of indoctrination. They state this, they being the left wingers,

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the liberals, the radical progressives, the social justice warriors. They

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state that they want to transform the university very much

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as Herbert Marcus's stated back in nineteen sixty eight, that

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we want to have a long march through the institution,

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transform the university into an organ and instrument of indoctrination.

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Frederick Jamison, the very famous Marxist theorist at Duke University

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the purpose of the university is to train cadres for

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the struggles of the future, Marxist cadres for the struggles

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of the future. He said this. He said this quite openly,

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said it in a speech. He said at numerous times

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that this is what he believed. This is what they

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fight for, This is what they this is how they

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approach education at the university. That we're transforming and they

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even say this, we're for transformative education. If you look

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at one of the professional organizations off campus professional organizations

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called the ACPA, which is the Association of College Student

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Affairs Professionals, their motto is boldly transforming higher education. That's

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their motto, and they aren't even faculty. There are a

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bunch of bureaucratic lauts who believe that they're college educators,

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and they are completely consumed in the ideology, the racialist

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ideology of DEI, the type of thing that you see

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driving the protests on college campuses today, the anti Semitic protests.

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The type of doctrine that celebrates the assassination of Brian Thompson,

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the health care executive by Luisgimangioni in December of last year.

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They celebrate this. This is what their ideology tells them

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to do. Now, they haven't got the guts to do

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something like that themselves, but they sure is that will

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celebrate a murderer like Luisgimanzione or the fellow of Gonzales

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who basically I think Fernandez are Gonzalez who assassinated the

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two Jewish no ambassadorial workers or embassy workers not that

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long ago. And so this is what motivates these people.

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The endgame is to create an organ of indoctrination whereby

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more and more students can graduate with the right political perspective.

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But then they run smack into reality. Years ago, I've

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listened to one of the Fine Line interviews, and Bill

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Buckley says, something along the lines of the utopian philosophy

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and ideology is fine until it reaches the risk of

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becoming a reality, at which point the cost becomes prohibitive.

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And that reminds me of you. You brought it the

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example of the titan submarine. The Ocean Gate ceo s

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doct And Rush, who said, outright, fifty year old white

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men who are ex military and submariners are not welcome

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in his company to build and operate a submarine. And

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you can tell us, I mean, I've read it in

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the book, but you can tell us how that all

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worked out for him.

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Well, Sean Brush was the he was the CEO of

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I believe it's ocean Scape. I can't ocean ohio Gate,

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Ocean Gate. The idea was to prepare a tourist submarine

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that will take wealthy customers down to the to the

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to view the Titanic. And what a great idea. And

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unfortunately he was consumed with social justice nostrums and believed

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that the DEI or diversity was something not is, something

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that is peripheral to the main task of creating a safe,

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sane product that can safely take people two miles down under,

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you know, under the ocean to see the Titanic. His

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view was that, well, I want inspiring young engineers, and

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so therefore I'm not going to hire he said this,

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I'm not going to hire a fifty year old X

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submariners who might know something about the topic. I'm going

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to hire young people, young inspiring young people. Well inspiration

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and you know, and two dollars will not even get

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you a couple of latt at Starbucks. It will get

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you dead customers at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.

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Whenever you design a submarine that is flawed and implodes

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when it reaches that debt depth. And that is what

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actually happened. That's the price that we pay when we

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lean upon DEI in life and death situations. It's almost

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inevitable that something like that is going to happen.

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Yeah, you wrote that in sacrificing state safety and standards

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on the altar of political posturing and inspiration. He sacrificed

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his life for DEEI. And so it's you know, saying

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something so obviously true carries it with it all kinds

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of risks. Has it been risky for you professionally or

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otherwise to have done the research that you've done and

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reached the conclusions that you publish here.

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Well, the risk is usually hidden. They're very wildly feral

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types of people who will lurk about the campus and

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with smiles on faces and you know, knives hidden behind

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their back. Uh. And I have to say that I've

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had a lot of clandestine support with what I've written.

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I'm not standing alone. Well, I am standing alone in public, okay,

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but I'm not. I'm not standing alone in the real sense.

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And that there are a lot of people who like

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what I say, silently cheering me on, which is always great,

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right and they but it's also good to have that

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kind of support. I don't expect people to do what

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I'm doing, but I do expect people to If they're

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going to be vocal about their values, they certainly need

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to live those values. And the risk that I take

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is if you worry about risk, you'll never get anything done.

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I teach entrepreneurship, and that is something that is really

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it's not attractive for risk averse people. It's not something

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that risk averse people are attracted to that that really

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thrive on that A lot of people want cubicles in

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a big building and get a steady paycheck rather than

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go out on their own, and you know, take that risk.

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So I'm a I'm not someone who gets an endorphin

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rush off of risk. You have to be prudent about

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this sort of thing. But I'm also not a shrinking

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00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.240
violet somebone who's going to shrink back from the challenges

463
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:40.920
that when people say stupid things in public and expect

464
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:44.000
not to be challenged, my gosh, that is infuriating, and

465
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:46.440
so I challenge them. I've done that a number of times.

466
00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:49.440
It doesn't win you invitations to lunch, but it also

467
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:50.720
is very self satisfying.

468
00:28:50.920 --> 00:28:53.799
Sure, sure, I totally agree with that and identify it

469
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:56.200
with it in many ways. So you just explain five

470
00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:59.720
stages that all successful cons go through. So let's run

471
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:02.599
through the real quick. They are number one, finding a

472
00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:07.519
suitable victim. Number two, gaining the victim's trust and persuading

473
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:09.720
the victim to commit to a scheme that will benefit

474
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:12.960
him or her for getting money from the victim, and

475
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:15.720
then five placating the victim in order to quell any

476
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:21.000
uneasy feelings about the situation. Oddly enough, it turned out

477
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:23.319
that the university was just about the perfect place for

478
00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:25.640
finding a victim for this kind of con wasn't it.

479
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:30.119
There's no arguing with it. I think that that the victims,

480
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:34.119
you know, I would say that the proof is in

481
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.319
the millions of dollars that had been paid out to

482
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:40.240
the grifters and scam artists who are on the college campuses.

483
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.519
And this is an industry that is ten billion dollars

484
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:47.559
every year. Millions of dollars exchange hands into the hands

485
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:51.559
of these grifters on the campuses who are forever finding

486
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:54.839
problems with racism on the campuses, and that problem is

487
00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:59.039
ever going to go away. And so I think that

488
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:03.640
the five stages come from not really the grifters on

489
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:06.359
the camp This is really five stages that we find

490
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:09.920
con artists of every sort, whether they're small time peanut

491
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:12.000
rifters all the way up to the big con artists

492
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:14.680
of the kind that you saw depicted in the movies

493
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:19.240
The Sting with Robert Redford and Paul Newman, which was

494
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:22.079
ben i actould say, based on a classic book on

495
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:26.960
con artists written in the nineteen forties. And so I

496
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:32.160
think that the universities and the bureaucrats who run them.

497
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:35.519
Are not the boldest, most courageous people in the world,

498
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:38.160
but they do know how to protect their own jobs,

499
00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:42.440
and they know how to hedge against the political wins,

500
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:46.319
forever putting their fingertips to the wind and decide, Hey,

501
00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:48.599
I'd better tack with these wins if I want to

502
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:52.720
keep this lavish salary and benefits package that I have

503
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:55.359
managed to coerce out of the university.

504
00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:59.039
Yeah, there's a quote that you shared. Fantastic quote from

505
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:02.599
Maria kind of Cova. I believe it has pronounced best

506
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:05.799
selling author and world poker player who says, the true

507
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:08.480
con artist doesn't force us to do anything. He doesn't

508
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:11.279
steal we give. He doesn't have to threaten us. We

509
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:16.680
supply the story ourselves. We believe because we want to,

510
00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:20.000
not because anyone made us, and so offer up whatever

511
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:23.960
they want, money, reputation, trusts, fame, legitimacy, support, and we

512
00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:27.200
don't realize what is happening until it is just too late.

513
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:29.799
And it seems like a lot of academics were just

514
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.279
ripe to believe this stuff because it folded in with

515
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:34.799
a preset of beliefs that they had.

516
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:39.839
Well, that's a great quote and kind of covid raally

517
00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:41.480
hits the nail on the head and she wasn't talking

518
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:44.319
about academia, but she very well could have. And the

519
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:48.480
quote is about people who are easily con which unfortunately

520
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.319
happens to be a lot of us. I neither I,

521
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:55.480
nor you or anyone is immune to the predations of

522
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:59.720
a really fine con artist. Right when you are primed ideologically,

523
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:03.319
you're already disposed to listen to a story that fits

524
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:06.759
all of your prejudices. That you are disposed to admit

525
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:10.480
guilt for something that you didn't do. But you know,

526
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:13.319
all of us want to confess to something because we're

527
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:15.880
all guilty of something. And so if you can find

528
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:19.920
some way to tap into someone's guilt, self professor and

529
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.759
tell them you need to confess to this because you're guilty.

530
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:26.799
And by the way, I happen to be the victim

531
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:29.720
that you have wronged. My gosh, if you can get

532
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:33.440
that con game going, then you can make a million bucks.

533
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:35.839
Like a fortune teller. Basically a con game. A fortune

534
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:40.640
teller is basically tapping into your desire to know the future,

535
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:44.319
and they are very skilled at telling a story that

536
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:47.200
is really applicable to most people. Anyone who walks through

537
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:50.279
the door. But they're extremely good at reading body language,

538
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:53.400
extremely good at finding out what you're afraid of, what

539
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:56.119
motivates you, what you really desire, and they begin to

540
00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:59.000
tap into that and tell a story. Weave a story,

541
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:02.359
and this is what happened with respect to the universities

542
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:07.720
and university presidents. The story was that universities are guilty

543
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:12.640
of racism. That's the basic setup right there, that we

544
00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:16.279
live in a racist America, that America is riven with

545
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:21.319
white supremacy culture. And all we need, we being the grifters,

546
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:27.160
all we need is an event that will allow us

547
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.880
to move on to the university campuses, something we can

548
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:33.559
point to and say the university president and the university

549
00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:36.799
as an institution is guilty. And that is That event

550
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:39.920
was the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis in twenty twenty.

551
00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:42.720
And they took that Oh, they picked that football up

552
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:45.200
and they ran for a touchdown with it. No one

553
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:47.680
touched them, No one wanted to touch them. It's like

554
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:51.200
the third rail of higher education. You don't want to

555
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:53.839
get it in that discussion, No, no, no, no.

556
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:56.400
Right, what percentage would you say of the University of

557
00:33:56.440 --> 00:33:58.839
ministraetors knew they were being played the entire time. They

558
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:01.480
just didn't want to be so utiated and do anything

559
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:04.880
against the tide if you willed. And that backdrop of

560
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:06.799
all the riots and the burnings of the cities and

561
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:10.119
all that, I think that I.

562
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:11.960
Say, almost one hundred percent of them knew they were

563
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:15.000
being played, and almost one hundred percent of them wanted

564
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:17.679
to be played. It finally gave them an excuse to

565
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:23.159
implement their prejudices. Whether they were right, whether they were wrong,

566
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:25.400
it doesn't matter. They don't care about that. What they

567
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:29.800
care about is winning. They don't perceive or tap into

568
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:33.960
the university as this marketplace of ideas and oh my goodness,

569
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:36.800
if the better argument comes along, I certainly will pack

570
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:39.159
up my bags and leave. No, they're not going to

571
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:41.960
do that. They're not doing that that they want to win,

572
00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:44.320
and if it means I can't meet your argument, well

573
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:46.760
then I simply will ignore you. And that's really basically

574
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:49.679
what happens to students who come in well versed. They

575
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.840
ignore them. And so I think that these people knew

576
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.079
they were being played, but most of them wanted to

577
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:58.440
be played. They wanted to be very performative. The left

578
00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:00.880
likes to use the term performative, that they wanted to

579
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:04.679
be a part of a grand drama, and they wanted

580
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:06.679
to be on the right side of the drama so

581
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.079
that they could go, you know, hey, I'm on the

582
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:10.840
right side of the drama. I'm a good person.

583
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:14.880
Really, talk to me, please about how various notable dei

584
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:18.480
academic types have flourished and even conned their way into

585
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:21.719
academic prominence. With your permission, I'm gonna throw some names

586
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:23.679
at you, and if you don't mind offering a few

587
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:26.920
thoughts to some of these folks, because they just rose

588
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:30.039
to prominence it seemed. I'm thinking here of, for one thing,

589
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:32.639
of one person, Clauding Gay, former president of Harvard.

590
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:38.280
Well, Clauding Gay. Yeah, she's former president of Harvard. Basically

591
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:41.119
conned her way all the way up the less failing

592
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:43.519
failing upward. That's a good way of putting it, Okay.

593
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:46.599
She had yeah, she had no when she was I

594
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:49.039
think she was a Stanford I mean every step of

595
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.559
the way. You know, first of all, she plagiarized her dissertation.

596
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:57.400
She plagiarized her dissertation from an academic, a black academic

597
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:02.920
Vanderbilt by the name of Carol Carol Swain basically sued her,

598
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:07.159
but could not really, you know, carry through on that.

599
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:10.039
She would have been destroyed by the massive legal resources

600
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:14.440
that Harvard University had which was defending her. So Claudine

601
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:17.760
Gay was guilty. She cheated her way into her PhD.

602
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:21.960
She has done almost no work that one would expect

603
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:25.239
of someone, the minimal work that an academic woul be

604
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:28.519
expected to do to be to gain a tenured position.

605
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:32.039
And suddenly we find her back at Harvard University as

606
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:34.840
a faculty member, moving up the ladder as a dean.

607
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:38.559
And then here here she is suddenly the first female

608
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:43.039
black president of Harvard University, with almost nothing to recommend

609
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:45.360
her for the position. But of course, of course if

610
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:47.679
you were against it, that meant you were racist, this

611
00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:51.440
reflexive race. Of course they always and I would say,

612
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:55.320
it's a black alumni organization at Harvard University's was guilty

613
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:59.519
of this. After she was forced to resign ignominiously because

614
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:04.119
of her devastating non testimony in front of Congress. Her

615
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:07.360
inability to handle the anti Semitism on campus coupled with

616
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:12.559
her quite frankly, her cheating, it really disqualified her to

617
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:17.559
be the president of America's premier academic institutions. So she

618
00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:23.719
resigned but kept her nine hundred thousand dollars salary as

619
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:25.880
a member of the faculty, one of the highest paid.

620
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:29.360
And what has she done to gain the salary? Virtually nothing.

621
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:32.159
If you look at others who received that kind of salary,

622
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:36.760
These are Nobel Prize winners, these are accomplished novelists, these

623
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:40.239
are literal tours. But not Claudiine Gay. And so she

624
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:43.159
basically failed her way up. She was a DEI president

625
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:46.119
and they wanted to reward her, so there wouldn't be

626
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:49.119
any trouble. No one needs that kind of trouble, certainly

627
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:51.440
not Harvard. They got enough trouble as it is right now.

628
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:54.880
And that's what I think of Claudine Gay.

629
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:56.880
It's kind of like the embodiment of the Peter principle,

630
00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:57.280
isn't it.

631
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.199
Yeah. The Peter principal is something where you all to

632
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:03.199
go back to. You're promoted to your level.

633
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:06.599
Of incomment exactly yeah, or sometimes in some cases beyond. Okay.

634
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:10.480
Patricia bydall I may mispronounced the name, came up with

635
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:14.039
the novel definition of racism as prejudice plus power.

636
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:16.760
Well, that's the name I mean, I don't hear that.

637
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:20.480
I don't I've never a questioned about Patricia Bidall. Well

638
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:20.960
that would.

639
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:24.800
Die that that definition of racism has stuck with me

640
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:26.639
for quite a while now because it's absurd.

641
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:28.920
Well, she's the one who came up with it. It's

642
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.880
it's amazing that you bring her up. I mean, you

643
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:34.119
and I are probably the only people that within you know,

644
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:38.760
a thousand miles who know who Patucia. She's actually an academic.

645
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:42.199
I think she's at American University now, kind of unsung

646
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.559
and ununheralded. She came up with this definition as she

647
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:49.280
was a young teacher's assistant and basically said, I'm going

648
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:51.840
to redefine I want to redefine racism. I'm going to

649
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:55.079
say it's not, you know, prejudice against a certain people

650
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:57.480
of a certain race. I'm going to call it, you know,

651
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:01.239
racist is going to be prejudiced. Plus power kind of

652
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:04.800
a throwing in a fu Coldian kind of power. Power

653
00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:06.679
is a big was a big thing back in nineteen

654
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:09.159
sixty to all the way seventy two, seventy three. We're

655
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:12.400
gonna put power Michelle fu Coe's notion of power in

656
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:17.840
there in currency it appeared in her eventual dissertation, and

657
00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:20.119
God bless her. You know, I hope she gets the

658
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:24.280
credit she deserves, or the ignominious recognition that she deserves.

659
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:25.360
That a horrible definition.

660
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:25.880
Well what it did.

661
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:28.559
What it does is just this gives a the lack

662
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:30.840
of a better metaphor get out a jail free card

663
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:33.320
for people who are saying racist things but don't want

664
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:34.840
to be called racist, because are they gonna say, well,

665
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:37.880
I don't have the power to exact anything.

666
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:41.280
You said it right, very well to get out free

667
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:43.639
jail card at the race card. We always here is

668
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:45.800
the fact that, well it means that black people can't

669
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:48.519
be racist. This is their out, This is their excuse,

670
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:52.480
this is there, This is their way to get around

671
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:55.559
the idea that their behavior identical to say, someone of

672
00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:58.960
a different race, it's not really racist because I can't

673
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:01.360
be racist because I the power. It doesn't matter who

674
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:03.400
this person is. Where there's all the way up to Obama,

675
00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:06.960
the most powerful person in America at the time, over

676
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:11.800
the Ibram Kennedy, who is basically a racial fraudster himself,

677
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:14.320
all the way down to the person who's going to

678
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:18.239
rob you at gunpoint on the street. This person doesn't

679
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:21.159
have any power. He's not committing a racialist act, a

680
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:24.400
racist act against you. He doesn't have the power. He

681
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:25.119
just have a gun in.

682
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:28.880
His he right. Yeah, then there was Derek Bell who

683
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:32.320
said that quote. This is a quote. Critical race theory

684
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:35.679
writing and lecturing is characterized by frequent use of the

685
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:41.719
first person's storytelling, narrative, allegory, interdisciplinary treatment of law, and

686
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:45.119
the unapologetic use of creativity. In other words, if I

687
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:47.599
may be so blunt, he just copped to making shit up.

688
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:51.440
Yeah, I think that that's a good way of putting it.

689
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:53.559
I think it's a very elegant way of putting it.

690
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:58.760
Dereck Bell is another character. He's another character that people ask, well,

691
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:01.199
he's the father of critical theory. Now, of a lot

692
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:03.400
of people who claimed this title because they want to

693
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:05.840
be connected to that, Fewer and fewer as the time,

694
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:07.920
as time goes on. But he was a guy who

695
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:12.039
really at Harvard Law School, he was basically the first

696
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.960
DEI hire and he knew it. That's with nothing else.

697
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:18.039
He had great self awareness. He knew that he didn't

698
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:20.880
belong in Harvard. He was a very fine trial lawyer,

699
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.559
as I understand it. Within his field, a civil rights

700
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:25.960
law he was doing really well. He was invited to

701
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:29.239
be a law professor at Harvard University, and you know

702
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:31.599
what Harvard was up to. He did not have the

703
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:35.360
chops that Randall Kennedy has. He didn't he wasn't able

704
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:38.320
to and he knew this, and this really bugged him

705
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:40.639
over a long period of time. But what he did

706
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:43.480
was he created a whole new genre of legal writing,

707
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:47.440
basically fabulousm which is another way of saying lie. He

708
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:50.559
would make things up and he would have it published

709
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:52.079
in the law journal, he would have it published in

710
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:56.159
the Harvard Business Review, Harvard Legal Review. And the idea

711
00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:59.159
that he would create characters and they would role play

712
00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:01.639
and he say anything he wanted to. He would. He

713
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:05.079
would just basically gin stuff up, as you said, and

714
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:09.719
it would be accepted as somehow part of our corpus

715
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:15.679
of legal and academic uh work, respected work. And that's Eric.

716
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:20.280
Bell, which reminds me, and I'm probably gonna butcher this name,

717
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:22.320
even though it's it's simple when you look at it

718
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.719
on paper. Tima, I guess okun or oakun?

719
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:27.320
Why not?

720
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:31.800
Yeah, okay, yeah, if Demo became he's not going to

721
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:34.840
became known as the person that wrote the list. What's

722
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:35.760
that all about?

723
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:39.360
Well, tell Temo Oakun is another one of those names

724
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:41.679
you're not going to hear. Unfortunately, she should be, you know,

725
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:44.559
she'd be, should be just as famous as say Ibram

726
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:47.639
Candy or something that they've used her concepts. She's the

727
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:51.920
person who came up with the white supremacy culture list

728
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:56.039
fifteen white supremacy culture behaviors. And you see this list

729
00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:58.559
that's used nationwide. It's been used for a long long time.

730
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:02.639
It was crafted in the nineteen ninety nine by Tima Okun.

731
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:06.320
She was a young diversity worker at the time, and

732
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:10.000
she was frustrated and she came home from a diversity

733
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:14.039
workshop where she was just so dissatisfied with the response

734
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:17.119
she was getting. So she said, she said this, I

735
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:21.119
jotted down in a fit of anger, these fifteen behaviors

736
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:24.119
that I recognized in the people who weren't getting it,

737
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:27.880
who weren't getting what I was saying. And this became

738
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:31.880
the list of white supremacy behavior cultures. And this list

739
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:34.920
was published in her dissertation. It was published online in

740
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:37.199
the early two thousand and it gained a life of

741
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:40.599
its own. It has now used in colleges and universities

742
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:43.960
nationwide in their DEI programs. It was used at Michigan.

743
00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:47.239
University of Michigan used it Wisconsin, used at Boston University,

744
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:50.159
used by the NEA, used by Duke Medical School, of

745
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.519
all places. Well, where did this list come from? I

746
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:54.760
just told you she made it up. It is not

747
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:57.639
a result of research, not a result of study, not

748
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:01.079
a result of polling people or anything of the sort.

749
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:05.000
She simply made it up. In it it had a

750
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:08.559
life of its own. I was going to say, she

751
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:11.760
has actually interviewed, published, had been an interview where she

752
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:15.480
disowns the list. She's trying to get away from saying, no,

753
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:18.719
it's it's being misused. But no, no, no, she has

754
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:19.320
ownership and.

755
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:22.039
She can't get among among the misuses of it, I

756
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:26.320
would assume would be reading it. But we've got, for example, perfectionism,

757
00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:36.199
a sense of urgency. Yeah, individualism, yeah, individualism. Uh, progress

758
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:40.400
defined is more the right to profit objectivity. It's I

759
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:44.599
don't It's just things that work are somehow synonymous with

760
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:47.000
white supremacy. It is again.

761
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:50.360
Success behaviors, success behaviors.

762
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:55.519
Right, right, right? Can you describe the academic ecosystem that

763
00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:59.079
allowed frauds of this magnitude to thrive and succeed their

764
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.679
their practices. And you describe as ideal laundering, our cargo

765
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:06.280
cult journals and those kinds of things. I assume that's

766
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:08.599
the vehicle by which these people gain their prominence.

767
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:11.480
Well, it certainly is. It's one of those things where

768
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:16.079
if you look at how academics have succeeded traditionally over time,

769
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:22.239
it's been to pursue a certain discipline, academic discipline, to

770
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.920
do research, which is very tough to do in the

771
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:29.760
good way, to do research in a particular discipline, utilizing

772
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:35.199
certain accepted methods, to allow your research, to your data

773
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:38.480
to be seen so that others can replicate that research

774
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:43.199
to show you or to substantiate what you have done,

775
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:45.519
or to basically critique it and say, well, this is

776
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:48.800
really not valid, and to have that research published in

777
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:52.639
peer reviewed journals. Peer reviewed means that somewhere that a

778
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:56.119
blind peer review means that anonymous reviewers are going to

779
00:45:56.199 --> 00:45:59.679
look at your work prior to publication, evaluate it, and

780
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:01.960
give you report that you can look at it, you know,

781
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:04.519
kind of scratch your chin, cock and eyebrow and fix

782
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:08.239
it up. Well, what's happened is that the Internet age,

783
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:13.559
the digital publishing has allowed a proliferation of fake journals.

784
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:16.320
These are called cargo cult journals.

785
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:16.920
Uh.

786
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:20.519
And these are journals that look and they look and feel,

787
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:24.360
have the type of template, have the jargon of actual journals.

788
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:27.440
They even say peer reviewed. But basically it's an old

789
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.920
boys network of a group of folks who are on

790
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:34.280
the editorial board and who are a collection of old

791
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:36.880
boy peer reviewers who are going to look at your

792
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:40.559
stuff and say, good stuff. Let's publish that and run

793
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:44.360
it through the wringer and launder these ideas into the

794
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:48.079
academic mainstream. And what happens is then they begin to

795
00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:51.239
cite each other in their own articles, and so they

796
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:54.519
create this, as you said, an ecosystem. I call it

797
00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:57.000
something else that has to do with circle, but I'm

798
00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:57.320
not going.

799
00:46:57.239 --> 00:46:59.039
To call it.

800
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:02.519
It's basically a folks y circle of folks who are

801
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:09.119
doing favors for each other. We're climbing up this academic

802
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:12.400
ladder by doing that. And people who don't know better say, well,

803
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:15.519
it appeared in a peer reviewed journal. Well it appeared

804
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:18.400
in a fake cargo cult journal. And the term cargo

805
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:21.159
cult people might not be aware of this. It's a

806
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:25.679
fun term that parkens back to the period right before

807
00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:29.519
World War Two went on in the South Pacific. You

808
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:33.360
had the island hopping campaign of both the Japanese our enemy,

809
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:37.800
and the United States military, and these this led to

810
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:44.280
masses of men and technology equipment invading South Pacific islands

811
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:46.920
and coming in contact with the local natives who had

812
00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:49.239
never seen this kind of wealth or this kind of

813
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:52.559
sophistication in their entire lives. They were baffled. These were

814
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:55.360
gods come to earth, and they would perform menial tasks

815
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:58.960
for them, hoping for can of spam, hoping for something

816
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:01.400
to come their way. But then suddenly World War two

817
00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:05.519
ended and all the cargo left, and they called it cargo,

818
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:09.719
all cargo, and they wanted the cargo to come back.

819
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:13.480
And so they basically reconstructed what they had seen in

820
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:19.039
a form of sympathetic magic, where they carved airstrips out

821
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:22.199
of the jungle, they lift them with torches, They constructed

822
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:26.079
watch towers, they constructed wooden what do you call headsets.

823
00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:29.719
They actually managed to find these usurplus uniforms and they

824
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:33.599
would march in formation doing this to attract the cargo,

825
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:36.079
and it was a call, and they still exist. There's

826
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:38.800
one on the island of the Vanuatu right now today

827
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:44.440
called the John from Cult. And this is supposedly named

828
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:47.280
after what they heard back in World War Two. Who

829
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:52.960
are you? I'm John from America, and it became the

830
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:55.679
John from Colt. I'm not kidding. You can look it

831
00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:57.679
up online. You can see pictures of them. It's a

832
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:01.039
tourist attraction now. They've managed to monitor ties the cult

833
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:03.519
and they march around for the for the tourists who

834
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:04.360
come to Vanah Watcher.

835
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:06.760
It reminds me of of of a little joke I

836
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:09.960
heard years ago again Bill Buckley told it, but that

837
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:11.639
people would throw about a name and then you'd have

838
00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:13.960
to come up with, you know, a sentence about it.

839
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:17.800
And so the name was doctor Livingston, I presume. And

840
00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:19.880
the question that was asked that brought about that answer

841
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:21.599
was what is your full name? Doctor presume.

842
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:27.039
Yeah, that's pretty much the idea. Now that the idea

843
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:29.000
is that you're going to make something fake that's going

844
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:31.719
to achieve the same results. Of course, the cargo never returned,

845
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:33.880
So I'm going to make a fake journal and it's

846
00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:36.079
going to look like a real journal and we're going

847
00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:38.840
to try to get some sort of academic legitimacy out

848
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:41.760
of it, and so that's why they're called cargo cult

849
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:42.840
journals fake.

850
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:47.840
One of my former contemporaries at Ricochet, Connor Friedersdorf, writs

851
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:50.639
at The Atlantic, and you quote from him, Uh, he's

852
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:54.000
a good guy, he said, how strange, how obscene in fact,

853
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:57.960
that America's professional class largely reacted to Floyd's murder, not

854
00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:00.559
by lavishing so much of the resources spent in his

855
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:04.679
name on helping the poor or the formerly are currently incarcerated,

856
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:07.960
or people with addictions, or the descendants of slaves and sharecroppers,

857
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:11.000
or single children or children they're single mothers, are graduates,

858
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:15.400
are underfunded high schools, but rather by hiring DEI consultants

859
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:19.599
to gather employees together for trainings. It's a rather telling

860
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:22.519
choice of expenditures. Why didn't they fund any of the

861
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.800
worthy causes that Connor mentioned.

862
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:28.679
Well, there's no there's no If you're trying to self agrandise,

863
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:32.000
you're very grandize yourself. There's no long term benefit to

864
00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:34.599
doing that. Once you give money away to those who

865
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:36.840
need it, it's no longer your money. You can't do anything.

866
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:39.559
Plus you're not going to get a sinecure or a

867
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:42.760
regular job doing that. Instead, you're going to have a job,

868
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:45.639
take a job pretending that you're doing something about the

869
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:48.400
problem by talking about it and by pointing the fingers

870
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:50.880
to colleagues over here and over here on the college

871
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:55.119
campus as being the source of these problems. And that's

872
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:58.679
basically the whole, the whole result debt of Dei's the

873
00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:02.159
whole point that we're going to find problems on the

874
00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:04.360
college campus that are never going to go away, but

875
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:07.719
we can address those problems. And that's what DEI consultants

876
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:09.719
do now, Like I'll even name one of them, does it.

877
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:13.320
Sean Harper at the University of Southern California used to

878
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:16.760
be right across the street at our beloved sister institution,

879
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:20.760
the University of Pennsylvania, and he now runs the Race

880
00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:23.840
and Equity Center, And what they do is as well,

881
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:25.760
you know what, we can come to your campus there,

882
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:31.000
mister Dave, come to your campus, President Carter, and we

883
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:33.760
can fix Well. First of all, we'll survey your campus

884
00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:36.119
and it's going to cost you twelve thousand dollars to

885
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:39.199
survey your racial climate. That's what they call it. And

886
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:41.239
of course we're going to find problems, you know, we're

887
00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:44.480
going to find to solve those problems. We're going to

888
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:46.840
match those problems that we find up with the various

889
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:49.599
courses that we offer, which you can then pay for

890
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:52.280
as well. In fact, you can start with our forty

891
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:56.239
thousand dollars eight hour zoom session that is loaded up

892
00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:59.679
with consultants that by the way, we'll find an other

893
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:02.679
ASPEC and other I named them in my book. It's

894
00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:05.039
all a click. It's a small bunch of grifters who

895
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:08.199
do who scratch each other's backs, and well, I'm going

896
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:10.639
to do your zoom and then you can do my zoom.

897
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:13.480
And so this is this is how it works. This

898
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:14.239
is how it works.

899
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:17.280
So they're basically saying, this is a nice campus you

900
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:19.480
have there. It'd be a pity if something happened to it.

901
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:21.360
So here's what we're gonna do. You're gonna turn over

902
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:24.280
some money, We're going to have some classes. You wrote

903
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:28.400
that the whole idea of of rampant racism was so

904
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:31.679
such a colossal scale only an intellectual could engage in

905
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:34.000
the mental gymnastics to believe in it. But it's also

906
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:35.679
a protection racket it sounds.

907
00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:38.280
Like I do say so in the book. It's very

908
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:40.679
much like the old gangster movies from the nineteen twenties

909
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:43.280
and thirties, where they it became a line. You know,

910
00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:45.000
it was a nice business you've got, there be a

911
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:47.239
shame if something happened to it. And it's what the

912
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:50.320
Russian mafia would do was doing after the fall Soviet Union.

913
00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:53.960
They go into stores and they've established partnerships to ensure

914
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:56.719
that no one would you know, would tear your business

915
00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:59.000
up if you would make a nice payment to ensure

916
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:02.079
a law order in your area. Well, that's exactly what

917
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:05.400
Jesse Jackson used to do in the nineteen eighties and nineties.

918
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:08.599
Jesse Jackson is Operation Push. He would target a business

919
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:10.480
and say, a nice business you've got. There be a

920
00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:16.280
shame if demonstrators showed up outside your door complaining about unfairness,

921
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:20.800
racial unfairness. We can ensure that doesn't happen, just with

922
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:24.159
a big donation to Operation Push. And that's where the

923
00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:28.239
model was I think originally pioneered in terms of race

924
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:32.960
relations and race organizations and grifters and continent. Jesse Jackson's

925
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:36.639
really fine content. And then you have now today's grifters,

926
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:40.159
basically doing that nice university you've got, there be a

927
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:42.760
shame as something happened to it. We can make sure

928
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:44.840
that nothing happened. Why don't you let us do a

929
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:48.760
racial climate survey for twelve thousand bucks and then we'll

930
00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:50.400
show you how to fix it, and you can open

931
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:54.039
the doors and hire a bureaucracy permanent folks there on

932
00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:55.679
the campus who are going to keep an eye on

933
00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:56.280
things just.

934
00:53:57.159 --> 00:53:59.280
In case, right right, and you could be happy to

935
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:02.760
run whatever's your university after we're done with it. Okay, folks,

936
00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:05.880
we are back. We had some technical difficulties. We're finishing

937
00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:09.079
up with a phone line, and doctor originally has been

938
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:12.159
kind enough to sit there quite quietly and patiently while

939
00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:14.920
I try to make this stuff work. But we'll get there.

940
00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:17.159
And because this is too good, the information is too

941
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:20.440
good in the interview, is too fascinating to just drop it.

942
00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:24.039
So we come full circle to the last question of

943
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:28.559
a popularly elected president who ran precisely against Dei in

944
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:32.000
his core articles. American businesses have seen, if not the

945
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:34.480
handwriting on the wall, they've seen the bottom line on

946
00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:39.239
their financial balance sheet interacting accordingly. But the universities on

947
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:42.559
the other hand, seem to be clinging tenaciously to the outmoded,

948
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:46.239
discredited theories and methods we've been discussing today. So you

949
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:48.360
write that, in case after case, what is obvious to

950
00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:50.519
the man on the street is apparently opaque to the

951
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:54.760
obtuse president of anywhere university. What's the answer here? How

952
00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:57.559
do we get the universities to come into line? Or

953
00:54:57.599 --> 00:54:58.840
is that going to happen? Is it going to be

954
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:01.280
an endless fight? How do you see all that unfolding?

955
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:05.760
Well? I like to quote or site up to Saint

956
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:11.400
Clair a lot of places, and that is university presidents

957
00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:13.639
are pretty much obtuse when it comes to this sort

958
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:16.159
of thing, pretending that if they don't understand, and the

959
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:18.320
quote is from Upton Saint Claire from nineteen thirty four

960
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:22.960
says that it's impossible to get someone to understand something

961
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:26.599
if their salary depends upon them not understanding it. And

962
00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:29.119
I think that what we've seen thus far with respect

963
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:34.639
to DEI is it really I predicted this to my associates.

964
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:37.159
It's just going to disappear. You're going to find people

965
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:41.599
who were basically cheerleaders for DEI suddenly not saying a

966
00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:44.480
thing about it. Suddenly, the people who are basically the

967
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:47.920
big proponents on campuses won't say a thing about it.

968
00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:50.320
It's just going to disappear. At my own institutions, several

969
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:55.960
DEI hanchos were basically dismissed. They're gone, no fanfare. And

970
00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:59.679
I think that that's slowly going to be the public

971
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:02.440
face of the retreat of DEI, and that we're going

972
00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:05.159
to see we're seeing it now. On the other hand,

973
00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:08.840
I think that there's these are true committed believers that

974
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:12.920
are not going to go anywhere, and they are people

975
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:15.280
who are wedded to their policies and their beliefs, and

976
00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:17.199
I think that they're simply going to try to surface

977
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:21.719
DEI under another name. We're already seeing this where websites

978
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:25.719
are changing names, but not changing the personnel or the

979
00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:30.400
or the substance of what they're doing on the campuses.

980
00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:33.639
We've seen this at UVA, We've seen this at Michigan,

981
00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:35.920
We've seen this at any number of other schools UNC

982
00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:39.440
Chapel Hill and the other schools in the UNC system.

983
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:43.039
So we're going to see a public retreat from DEI,

984
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:47.280
but a private doubling down on it as long as

985
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:52.480
the personnel who originally were rewarded with these lavish salaries.

986
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:54.599
When I say lavish salaries are referring to half million

987
00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:58.199
dollar salaries like the top people at UVA and the

988
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:02.519
top person at there were in Michigan. And we're going

989
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:06.360
to see a kind of a revitalization or an underground

990
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:11.039
you know, looking to the viscera of a university where

991
00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:14.559
this this kind of thing can stay in a in

992
00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:18.719
a poop us state until the next friendly administration comes

993
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:20.960
along and saying the coast is clear, we can go

994
00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:25.920
ahead and racially discriminate illegally again with the freedom that

995
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:28.159
we had before. So that's sart where I see these

996
00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:30.880
things going. But I do have a solution that would

997
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:36.920
achieve Deei's goals without violating US civil rights law. And

998
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:41.119
but there's two reasons that it will never be enacted. Now.

999
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:43.599
The solution, of course, is that if you look at

1000
00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:49.320
people who are disadvantaged economically, they are predominantly put that

1001
00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:52.920
category is predominantly populated by Blacks and Hispanics, and this

1002
00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:57.599
is who DEI traditionally wants to help. They want to

1003
00:57:57.880 --> 00:57:59.679
tip the scales or put the thumbe on the scales

1004
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:03.039
and help these folks who are traditionally underrepresented on the

1005
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:05.639
university campus. It's their words. And so you can do

1006
00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:10.159
this by simply offering an economic incentive of offering to

1007
00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:15.320
help people who are economically disadvantaged, by making it financial

1008
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:21.360
and utilizing not race, but utilizing economic status. And you

1009
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:23.800
can do this within the framework that we have. Now.

1010
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:26.639
Now this will not and you will help basically the

1011
00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:30.880
people that you want to help, but the universities will

1012
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:33.719
not do this. And this is because, as was argued

1013
00:58:33.760 --> 00:58:38.079
in the Supreme Court decision Students for Fair Admissions versus Harvard,

1014
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:42.639
an expert for the defense of Harvard, said, well, we

1015
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:45.719
don't want to do this economic type of affirmative action

1016
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:48.920
because this would be inefficient. You would be helping, this

1017
00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:51.639
is what she said, You would be helping white people

1018
00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:54.519
who don't really need that help. Well, of course, everyone

1019
00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:59.199
who's economically disadvantaged needs help, and so she said, but

1020
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:01.079
she said this, And so this is one of the

1021
00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:05.840
reasons why this type of economic DEI will never work

1022
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:10.960
because it's number one, is viewed as helping helping white

1023
00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:13.639
folks when they don't need the help, supposedly, but it's

1024
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:15.840
also not going to work because the people who are

1025
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:21.559
most receiving the most benefits from DEI lavishly compensated bureaucracy

1026
00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:25.000
on the campuses are dead set against it because this

1027
00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:29.320
year their goals can be met without a racially discriminatory

1028
00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:32.599
policy on the campuses. And you don't need the big

1029
00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:35.599
bureaucracy to make that happen. You can do it from

1030
00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:37.599
your financial aid office, you can do it from the

1031
00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:42.039
enrollment management offices. You don't need an independent Soviet style

1032
00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:47.440
bureaucracy is going to ensure political loyalty. And you don't

1033
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:53.360
get to inculcate or indoctrinate people in a weird primitive

1034
00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:58.800
racialist doctrine, manikey and doctrine with this bureaucracy. In other words,

1035
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:01.639
you get the social justice result that they're looking for,

1036
01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:05.159
but none of the other things that we oppose. And

1037
01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:07.679
that's why this thing is never gonna is never going

1038
01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:09.599
to go. This thing is never going to fly, despite

1039
01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:12.599
the good results that we would see. And so that's

1040
01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:15.159
that's where I think this is heading. I've offered you

1041
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:18.559
an alternative solution, but I also identify the fact that

1042
01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:22.000
we need to be very vigilant and continue to look

1043
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:26.239
for the folks who want to illegally discriminate racially on

1044
01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:27.400
our college campuses.

1045
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:29.480
Yeah, it sounds like what you're saying is what they're

1046
01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:31.079
going to do is they're going to get rid of

1047
01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:33.559
the titles. But it's basically like playing whack a mole.

1048
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:35.880
They're going they're going to go underground, if you will,

1049
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:37.880
and keep doing it in other ways. So I guess

1050
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:39.360
like in this and so many other like it is

1051
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:43.199
in so many other areas, sunlight helps, right, put a

1052
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:45.760
spotlight on this at the extent possible and let make

1053
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:46.880
these people uncomfortable.

1054
01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:51.679
Well, it certainly, it certainly does help. If sunlight best disinfectant.

1055
01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:54.519
Louis Brandi said that, Yeah, Supreme Court Justice, and I

1056
01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:57.360
think that that in this case is certainly certainly so.

1057
01:00:57.440 --> 01:00:59.519
I think, you know, for instance, the best thing that

1058
01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:03.920
horre what happened to Harvard was the basically the Israel's

1059
01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:07.800
attack on Iran, because it took the headlines away from

1060
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:12.239
Harvard's laborers laborious you know, defense of its of it's

1061
01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:15.079
of its terrible policies, and they gave him, you know,

1062
01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:18.079
twelve days worth of relaxation to say maybe we can

1063
01:01:18.400 --> 01:01:23.079
you know, you know, rejuvenate, we can you know, recalibrate

1064
01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:25.519
what we're what we're doing, and and come back for

1065
01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:29.159
a better response. So, uh yeah, sunlight is is a

1066
01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:31.320
good disin fact that it's the best disin fact that

1067
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:35.320
I think keeping a spotlight on these uh, these malfeasings

1068
01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:36.320
is a good idea.

1069
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:39.199
Yeah, and tenaciousness. I saw a headline today where the

1070
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:45.360
DHS Secretary Gnome has uncovered a DEI office that was

1071
01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:48.480
running kind of surreptitiously and defunded that to the tune

1072
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:50.559
of a million and a half dollars, I believe, So,

1073
01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:52.880
you know, they got to be tenacious and then needs

1074
01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:53.920
they need a spotlight?

1075
01:01:54.559 --> 01:01:57.320
Yes, exactly right. There's all kinds of nooks and crannies

1076
01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:00.719
that that money is going into, and people are surviving

1077
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:03.239
and receiving checks and we don't even know what they

1078
01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:04.360
do right right.

1079
01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:07.519
The book is called DEI Exposed How the Biggest con

1080
01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:10.320
of the Century almost toppled Higher Education, published by Arman

1081
01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:13.199
Lear Publishing. And it has been an honor to have

1082
01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:15.280
my guests here. If I may, I'm gonna call you

1083
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:17.239
a friend too. You're a great guy and I really

1084
01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:20.480
enjoyed talking to your professor Rigally. Thank you for being

1085
01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:21.280
on the program today.

1086
01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:24.039
The pleasure is all mine, Dave Hope, do it again?

1087
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:26.360
All right, thank you, have a great day.

1088
01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:30.400
This is where Razer sharpen Elysis collides with twelve year

1089
01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:35.079
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1090
01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:45.159
on the Dave Carter Show.

1091
01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:45.280
Hi all, I got to let me ask you a

1092
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1094
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1095
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1096
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increase its value. Because if you're in the greater Atlanta

1097
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1101
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That doesn't help you a bit. What Brooks in your

1102
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1103
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1104
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1105
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1130
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:08.039
She says, I've never fit into a specific category. I'm

1131
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:10.800
not a super girly girl, but I'm not a flat

1132
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out tomboy either. I'm a little bit of everything, she says.

1133
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I love to be outside, hiking or doing your work.

1134
01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:19.960
She says, I'm that girl that will put on makeup

1135
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at four am before heading into my tree stand. Because

1136
01:05:23.119 --> 01:05:25.599
you see, she's also a competition shooter and a bow hunter,

1137
01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:29.719
and I'm glad. I'm glad her and I get along

1138
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:32.280
so well. So that's where she got the idea to

1139
01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:36.239
start a business called Primitively Polished. Primitively Polished. If you're

1140
01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:38.599
not watching the show here, you can't see the logo

1141
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for yourself, so I'll describe it. The design is of

1142
01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:44.760
a butterfly, yet the right half of the butterfly is

1143
01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:48.320
also a skull. It's a kick ass design. And that's

1144
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just the tip of the iceberg in terms of what

1145
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this girl can do for you. All Right, if you like,

1146
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I would need a line of T shirts, hoodies, sweatshirts.

1147
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She does custom printing for other business is family reunions.

1148
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That ain't all y'all. You can do family trips, five

1149
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1150
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to instagram dot com slash primitively polished, do a search

1154
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for primitively Polished and you'll find it. See my girl

1155
01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:32.599
announced that she was bringing her muddy jeans to the party.

1156
01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:34.639
She said, we can be muddy and have manners. We

1157
01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:37.239
can be bold and beautiful, we can be savage and sweet.

1158
01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:43.039
We can be primitive and polished. So after you through

1159
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lining up your new irrigation system with persistent sprinklers, oh god,

1160
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then get your hands on some top notch print designs

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over primitively Polished on Facebook. Just go Facebook as the

1162
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Instagram and look for primitively polished. I'm saying this because

1163
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my kids are great, but they do amazing work. The

1164
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work ethic is incredible. You're gonna love the hell out

1165
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of that design and what old Josh can do for

1166
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your yard. All right, check them out.

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Newsmakers, celebrities, authors, pandits and no more people to all

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We'll have a decent, civilized conversation. All right, tell me

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something now, did you enjoy the show today? I tell

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you Professor Rigley was fantastic, wasn't he? That book that

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he wrote DEI exposed. It's not just a scholarly work, folks,

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it's encyclopedic. There are five hundred ninety nine foot notes

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full of original source documents, and the original stuff is there,

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as opposed to like a truckload of speculation in sophomoric vitriol,

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which you'll find in a lot of other books. There's

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a great glossary in this book, as well as a

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comprehensive index in case you want to locate key names

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and events and the like in the text. So even

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if you disagree with this conclusion, so you can check

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out the sources for yourself and see what you think

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about that, Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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I guess.

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So this is the first episode on Rumble. It's in

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the archives now. There were a few technical glitches, I guess,

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But I went through the trouble of upgrading to ECAM

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Live Pro. That's the software that allows me to put

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this show together. And with the pro version, you can

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reach out to them and they're pretty quick about getting

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back with you in troubleshooting things. So we're going to

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do that. This gonna be mad fun going forward. I'm

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looking forward to this. I'll be doing live stream shows

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on Rumble, Facebook, Instagram, x more. Still getting comfortable working

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out the kinks and getting used to the array of

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controls here. But to reiterate something that I said earlier

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in the program, in the monologue, if there's something that

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you want to reach out to me about, and I'm

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happy to hear from you, give us your feedback on ideas.

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I'm all leers. I'm open to new points of view

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as well. The only thing I'm locked into here, folks,

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is honest debate and the pursuit of truth and the

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tenacious pursuit of common sense. It's got to be something

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that works. I'm not beholding to any particular ideology. I

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want what works. History has shown what works and what

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doesn't work. But I'm open to ideas. So let me know.

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If you're watching us all right now on Rumble or

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any of the other other platforms, you can see the

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online presence that we have in various platforms right on

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your screen, and how to avail yourself with those opportunities

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and find me. My email is Dave quarter online at

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gmail dot com, so reach out to me with that

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if you like. And man, it's been a lot of

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fun putting this thing together. Now with my profound thanks

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to doctor Stanley Ridgely we're taking the time to talk

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with us and patiently waiting while we resolve some of

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the technical issues. And my very special thanks to the

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listeners of the program and the viewers as well. Now

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here we go, he folks. I've appreciate it, I've enjoyed it,

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and we'll do this again soon. You all are great.

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I look forward to seeing you next time on the

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Dave Carter Program. Thank you again, folks.

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Thank you for listening to the Dave Carter Show. Don't

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forget to subscribe on iTunes so you won't miss a

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and tell us what you think. And on behalf of

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all of us at the Dave Carter Show and the

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Ricochet Audio Network. Thank you for listening. How about you