Jan. 19, 2026

"Salvation" A Thrilling Novel from Kevin Creighton

"Salvation" A Thrilling Novel from Kevin Creighton
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In this "must-listen" episode of The Dave Carter Show, Dave talks with writer, firearms expert, and author Kevin Creighton about his newly published novel, "Salvation." Mr. Creighton goes into vivid detail with us, describing how the book weaves the story of retired Army Ranger and bodyguard John Rogers, a man who prefers the quiet life but is drawn back in a darker reality when he's asked to employ his skills to safeguard more gentle souls on a mission of mercy. Author Kevin Creighton employs is extensive knowledge not only of firearms, but of special operations skillsets and tactics. As Dave described it, "This book is like Tom Clancy meets the New Testament." Written in a first person narrarative that sees every detail through keen eyes of John Rogers, the book grabs the reader's attention from the first page all the way through to the edge-of-your-seat conclusion. Spend a half hour with Dave and Mr. Creighton, and you'll come away with insights on the human condition, elite military operators, and the quest for redemption. Oh yes, and as is the case with every episode of The Dave Carter Show, there are laughs aplenty as well.

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Rip up the engine, feel the grin on shape.

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From the base to the basis that a weed tagg.

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Meet Dave Carter, a veteran of the fight swamp dog

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tags for a mic, chasing stories in the night.

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Floss and eights.

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He and Wheeler rolling down those flowing roads now were

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spending tails like a rock star, unload from lousyanna swamps

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to the distance towards of duty.

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He's kind of cranky humor with the touch of all beauty.

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Steering through the memories, both the dark and bright, with laughter.

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As his compass. He'll cut you through the.

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Night on the day, cut a shawl where the stories

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flow from battlefields highways. It's a long loading on with

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the hartful of coming grin off his face.

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To think you on a journey through time and say.

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Okay, let's go, let's gope all right.

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I am Dave Carter, and it is great to be back, man.

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I have missed being able to talk with you folks.

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As a coworker of mine would say, it's been a

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fat minute since the last time I got behind this mic.

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And uh, there's a lot to bring you up to

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speed on coming up in a few minutes. We're going

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to talk with a longtime member of Ricochet who has

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published his first book, Kevin Creighton, who you know from

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his many articles in just about every gun magazine.

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That's out there.

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He's written a book and it is completely, utterly captivating.

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The book is called Salvation. It's a detective novel, a

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lot of the lines of mystery and detective author Robert B.

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Parker.

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In fact, I'll go one more and say that it's

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like Parker and Raymond Chandler meets Tom Clancy.

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That's just how great it is.

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But it's got a faith based twist to it, which

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is a whole different vibe in some respects. And yet

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he winds a lot of action and things all into

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this one book that's told in the form of a

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first person narrative the entire way, and it works man.

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The way he puts it together, the way the story

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unfolds has you on the edge of your seat, and

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which can be uncomfortable, but you don't know because you

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don't worry about that because the book is so crazy good.

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So we will talk with the author, Kevin Crayton, in

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just a little bit. But first I want those of

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you who watched the launch of the video version of

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this program several months back. You will probably note at

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this point it's absence. Long story short, I had some

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health challenges at about the same time that we started

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the audio video version of the show. The challenges included

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but we're not limited to a considerable amount of cognitive

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if you will. So the short term memory was pretty

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well shot, and the ability to focus on tasks that

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involved multiple layers of complexity just left me in a

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complete fog. I felt like at some moments like I

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had slipped into Joe Biden mode, you know, trailing off

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into the woods someplace, or shake hands with a tree

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or something of that order. So I was remembering at

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the time when my dad, who was a brilliant man,

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and he had Alzheimer's, and I asked him, a pop,

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you know what, what's it?

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What's it?

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What's the worst part of Alzheimer's And he said, he

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told me, he said, it's feeling like an idiot. And honestly,

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I was beginning to understand at least some of what

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he was talking about at the time. So, and under

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the circumstances trying to do an audio video show in

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which I was the cameraman, I was a sound engineer,

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the graphics designer and technician, the guest audio and camera technician, writer, director,

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soundboard opper, and oh yes, the on air talent speaking extemporaneously. Yeah,

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that wasn't happening, not anymore. So I just kind of

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took a step back from that. And in the middle

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of it all, my wife was taking her blood sugar

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one evening and she had an idea, why don't we

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just test your blood sugar and see where you at,

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just out of curiosity, you know, And it came in

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just under five hundred. If you're not familiar with that

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kind of thing, it ain't good. And if you google

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a glue close level of around five hundred, it will

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tell you to get thee to an emergency route. But

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I felt fine, at least fine as it existed at

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that point. Dumber than a bag of nails, yes, but

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I felt fine. So, as you can imagine, I got

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to the doctor and I am now a shiny, brand

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new type two diabetic. So my doctor said that as

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I get my blood sugar at a one and sea

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levels down out of the stratosphere, that could be that

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my noggin, you know, could clear up too.

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So I'm on board.

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You know.

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I've seen a variety of approaches to diabetes from friends,

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friends and family over the years. From those who took

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it seriously and changed their lifestyle. For example, my grandfather

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was a dad's dad was diagnosed with diabetes when he

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was in his fifties. He and he's from Louisiana. Gumbo

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ran in his veins, you know, and he immediately changed

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his habit, his culinary habits, his lifestyle, got more active,

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sort of eating the right things, and he lived to

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be ninety.

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Three years old.

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There are others I've seen that said no, I'm not

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going to do that, and they didn't last so long.

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And they are the folks who still don't take it

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hereou see. They may take their meds, you know, but

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they insist on picking out on everything that's around them,

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and the result is, as you might expect, hideous. So

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I've taken the route that has allowed my body and

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both brain cells to recover. At least the fog is

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lifting at this point, I'll say that much in his

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instant improving. I'm about three months into this and I've

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lost twenty pounds and I feel great mentally, I feel

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more alert.

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I'm not lethargic.

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I'm not basically living from one energy drink to the

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next all day long, and I'm able to rub two

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brain cells together for a change.

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So good grief, are you done already?

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What now?

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I feel like I should be wearing a lap coat

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and a stethoscope this morning. I was just turned your

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head and come off all right.

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For those of you who don't know, you're hearing the

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voice of Mark Benwall, who used to do sports here

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and elsewhere, and he does some voiceover work for the

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show here occasionally in drops by to to spense a

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running stream of commentary and his unique version of.

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At what time will Visiting Angels spe here today? How

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is everybody's favorite wrinkled up gus farting old bag of

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liver spots this morning?

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I'm fine? Jeez? Do you have to be so?

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Whose idea was it to resurrect this show? You haven't

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been funny since America was doing the Humpty HP. Wasn't

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the Podunk? Don't the Meccaroni or whatever it's called welcome

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all that time on the radio years ago, taking no

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prisoners with that wicked wit. And now the success of

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this program is teetering on a man who looks like

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he walks into the walls looking for his hat.

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This is getting getting cruel here. I mean, do you

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have anything that's constructive to add to this?

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And now, now, what's all this about your memory and

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cognitive what's this about your memory?

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And you want to try that again?

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Okay, here we go, And now what's this about your

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memory and cognitive function improving?

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Well? Well, yeah, as a matter of fact.

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It's yeah, I'm calling bs, you know, Bruce Springsteen on that.

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But I'm not saying you're old. But last time someone

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told you to act your age, you died. You're so

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out of it you think a Maxi pad is a

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spacious apartment.

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You're hurting my feelings.

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You're taking window with an Italian supposit toy. Welcome.

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You're so old.

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You watched Jurassic Park and it brought back memories.

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You're so old.

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Your idea of multitasking is sneezing, fighting being a cock

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at the same time. Mark, that's enough, all right, all right?

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Then never let it be say that I don't have

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a human side. Oh yeah, you're just like mother Teresa

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with a five o'clock shadow. You know those musicians that

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you hired to write a song for the show opening. Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, they did a great job, didn't they.

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They sure did, and I found out who they are.

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You did, yes, and I convinced him to do a

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more candid, shall we say song, An alternate look at

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the Dave Carter Show.

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Oh really?

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Yes?

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Well, alrighty, then let's see what happens. So here we are, folks,

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here's an alternative perspective on the show and your increasingly

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anxious host.

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You're on the dead quarter program. Lord help us. Well,

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come on down to the Dave Carter Show where the

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bald headed fella steals the whole damn show. Cranky cage

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and with a heart of gold. Shocking and humorous stories unfold.

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Yeah that's not bad. He's got a champer shorter than.

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The hair on his head, but give him bucking he

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raise the day.

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Ran so spicy, Little Mike, you sweat saying light main't beer.

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But you're not done yet.

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Yeah, he's a cranky cage king of the scene.

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We's sorry, chasm dripping like never before a scene. Oh

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my god, talking laughter, James Kara show.

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All right, now comes the fun part, the main event,

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if you will, because I've been looking forward to talking

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with this gentleman since before the holidays, when I first

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picked up his remarkable novel. Kevin Creighton is a name

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very familiar to Ricochet members and readers, but also to

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a great swath of people across the country who have

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read as many articles in just about every firearms related

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magazine and publication out there, including Concealed Carry Magazine, American Hunter,

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Shooting Illustrated in Our Family, among others. He holds instan

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structor's certifications from the NRA Range Master Inc. Defense Training International,

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and he's the chief instructor at Deep fifty Range just

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outside of Naples, Florida. But that wasn't enough, you see,

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mister Creighton has also just published his first novel. The

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book is called Salvation, and I'll reiterate what I said

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in the opening segment, namely, that is along the lines

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of a mystery and detectiveller.

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My author's Robert B.

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Parker or Raymond Chandler, and it's it's if they meet

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Tom Clancy, but with a faith based twist. It's a

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riveting story and a pleasure to welcome mister Creighton to

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the program. Good morning, Kevin, how are you, sir? I'm

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doing okay, all right, and thank you for joining the

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festivities today. I get the sense of authoring a book

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of this nature is something you've been wanting to do

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for some time now, Is that true?

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Yeah, you know it is.

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I first had the idea that I wanted to write

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a novel about five years ago, and originally I was

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going to sit it in Missouri, where I lived briefly.

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And my hero is going to be a member of

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the Border Patrol boor tact Group. Okay, if you're if

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you're familiar with those guys, those are some pretty advanced

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trigger pollers.

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Those guys know what to do. But then I started

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playing around.

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I said, you know what, right, what you know and

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what I know right now is Southwest Florida's where you

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know what I uh, what I know is I did

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a lot of research in Mexican drug gangs a while back,

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just because you know, I lived in Phoenix and I

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wanted to know what was up.

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So goodbye those two.

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And what really though it was the impetus to get

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this thing out the door was our friend John Gabriel,

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who started after I started my novel. Then you finished

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before mine. I'm like, okay, you shame me into it,

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you know, all right, I'll finish.

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It's good people.

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He's very good people. I've known him. I've known him

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since the Bush administration.

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Oh wow, okay, the first one. Yeah, Oh goodness, gracious, Herbert.

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I get that.

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I get the sensors from the research and the background

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knowledge of permeage the book that this was a long

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time coming, but man, it was worth it.

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It's a great book.

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One of the things that drew me into the story

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I've retired on me ranger John Rodgers, is that he's

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in charge of the narrative throughout the book. It's the

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first person narrative, so we get to see events through

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his eyes exclusively, and it works. I mean, it reels

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the reader into an amazing world through events that called

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up rogers military training and mixed with faith based elements

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that run into in concert with the events. I would

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say that it's just like Tom Plancy also meets the

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New Testament. How did that combination come about?

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I love reading. My favorite author is Robert V.

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Parker.

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I read everything literally does. He does the Spencer series,

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and there was a Netflix TV movie recently with Spencer

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something over there.

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Forget what it was. I didn't watch it because I

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knew it wasn't going to be.

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As good as the books, right, But there was a

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TV show back in the eighty late nineties with Robert

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movies actually, with Joe Montagna and Tom Sullick.

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They were great. But you know, that's the way he writes,

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and you know, I love those books. But and the

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same with John D. McDonald, my other favorite author. He

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writes first person narrative as well.

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Okay, and both of those books, at some point they're like, yeah,

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and that's when we jumped took off our clothes and

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jumped into bed. And I'm kind of like, yeah, had

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me up until then, right, you know, you had me

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up until then. So I said, okay, what about writing

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a book like that that didn't compromise But I didn't

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have to, like, you know, kind of hide from my

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mom when she showed up.

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to write this.

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Well it works. It works wonderfully. One of the things

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that I love. One of my favorite authors is Mark

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Twain and his work. The way that he could paint

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a scene with words in this splendid, uncanny detail is

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just amazing. And I see some of that kind of

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a thing at work in your book. So with your permission,

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I want to quote a quote a paragraph where you

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described Naples, Florida. This is wonderful quote. Naples is outrageously wealthy.

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I remember reading somewhere that it has the most golf

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courses per capita in the country, and looking around it

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was true, and looking around I believed it. The tables

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in the restaurant were islands and a rolling sea of

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botox exempic ozmpic third wives and imported wines, topped off

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with crashing waves of artificial hair color.

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That's golden. That is pure gold. I get that, I got.

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I got the impression reading that and the book itself,

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is that you had a lot of fun writing this thing.

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You must have been a blast.

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I did, you know, I really did I enjoy.

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You know, I would I would quote back stuff that

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that I wrote to my wife, and she'd, you know,

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smile and nod politely.

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You know, but it is.

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You know, here's the here's the deal. I wrote the

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book I wanted to read. Okay, that's That's That's what

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it comes down to in the final land. I wrote

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the book that I wanted to read, and I've read it,

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you know, countless time since I published the darn thing.

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Just because of two reasons why I never won. I

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found all my mistakes. But second off, you know, I'm

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I'm proud of it. Oh as well, you should happy

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with with what I wrote.

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I'm also impressive when you read it back to yourself,

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you found your mistakes.

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I've still labor.

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With that after the seventy fifth time.

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Yes, I found that, right, Yeah, because I go back

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and I tweak and I and I you know, I'll

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change this, and then oh gosh, I didn't.

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I didn't do that right.

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I came to the conclusion years ago when I was

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writing histories in the military and then writing articles and

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things in the civilian world. There's no such thing as

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a finished product. There's only that there's only a deadline.

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Yeah, very true.

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At a certain point, at a certain point, you got

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to stick a fork in the sucker and call it done.

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You know, when I was a photographer, my wife would

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call me, you know, five o'clock or so, get me

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home for dinner. Well, we'll be home in the shots done. Well,

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how long will that be when the shots? How long

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is that can take when it's ready for the client?

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I don't know. Yeah, yeah, my blesser patients.

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Yeah, my my my wife as well, because I'll say, right, honey,

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I need to go back and do some podcast stuff,

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or I just need to put the finishing touches on

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an article. And when I'm in here in my little

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layer doing the doing what I love, you know, paying

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attention to the muse, if you will time time to

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stand still, I have no idea. Okay, I'm done, good

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and I.

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Walk out and this Thursday you know where were you?

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You know?

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I'm sorry, but I just completely lose track of time.

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So there's only deadlines. And I'm learning that the more

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I can can compress the deadlines, the more productive I'll be.

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Yes, Yes, panic is a wonderful.

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Right right now.

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Other portions of the book go into some detail on

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tactics and details and skills and equipments, et cetera that

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are specific to rangers, special forces, and those folks. Was

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this the product of your research for the book, or

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were you already versed in some of these things from

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the outset.

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A little a little of both.

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You know, I've had the privilege in my background as

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the firearms trainer to train with people like Matt Praanka,

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who you know is former Delta Force Kyle Lamb, same way.

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I've trained with at least four or five Navy Seals. Yeah,

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you know, and they're all good shots there, and they're

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all you know, when Kyle Lamb says that you're doing CQB, right,

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I go, okay, I'll put I'll put that.

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For people who aren't quite familiar with that, that means what.

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Kyle seki close quarters battle. Okay.

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Plus you know how you walk through how you you know,

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it's the stuff that you see, like when the guy's

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coming through with.

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The you know, the air fifteens and the cleaning the

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room and stuff like that.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, uh, totally off the wall. Question that

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just popped into my head. And sometimes when the voices

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in my head talk, I actually listen the combat specific

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things that the training, the kind of things that you

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learned and that you already knew by virtue of the

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people that you've worked with over the years. So when

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you saw what we did down in uh Venezuela, recently.

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Were you surprised at how all that went off? Apparently

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seamlessly from what I could tell.

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That's interesting to me because I read the one account

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of one of the guards. It's like we just they

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went through us, like Sherman through Georgia. Like I have

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no idea, you know, we were just totally paralyzed. And

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I posted that in a forum that I'm on that

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has some pretty heavyweight people in it, and they're like, yeah,

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he's just making stuff up. Okay, all right, So you know,

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I have a very rigorous thing when it comes to,

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you know, online information. I need two sources, Okay, I

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need two independent sources on stuff, just because you know,

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you can make up stuff something and it'll go flying

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around the Internet and then nobody will stop and check and.

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Say, well that sounds. That sounds It's what you know.

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John gibbl not John Stewart said a while back about truthiness,

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about what it feels about truthiness.

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Truthiness, Okay, it feels.

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True, therefore must be true. Yeah, you know, and they

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there's a lot of that going on right now about

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in Venezuela. But yeah, the fact that there was no uh,

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you know, major casualties and Okay, yeah, that's amazing.

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And they're able to get past all the defensive and

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just neutralize them, grab and go right.

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You know.

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It's like it's like me when I go shopping. Get

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in there, get it done, and get out.

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So one of the things that I study the My hero,

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John Rodgers, is a member of a group that is

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considered to be a Tier one group, which is Delta

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Force Seal Team six uh SORE, the one to twenty

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fourth Special Operations Air Regiment. Yes, you know, but it's

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it's the group that nobody talks about in that he's

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Ranger recon they are they are like kind of brought

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over into Special Operations to fulfill specific missions inside of

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Special Operations, which is reconnaissance.

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Uh huh.

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I mean I could have made my hero a Navy

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seal like everybody does. I'm like, nothing against Navy seals,

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but it's a clich now.

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I'm sorry.

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You know, if if you're if you want to have

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your hero be you know, combat uh competent, he's got

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to be a Navy Seal And there's they are, they

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are very good, but there's also you know, Marine Force

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recar If you've ever seen one of the best trigger

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polers out there are actually belongs to the Department of Energy,

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Believe it or not. Really, Yeah, the guys who protect

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the nuclear weapons going back and forth along the road.

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Okay, Yeah, they're scary.

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Okay, okay.

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I actually got to work with one for a while

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and he says their rules of engagement were step away

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from the vehicle.

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Bang. Yeah, okay, you know that was that was how

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they worked.

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Okay, Okay, Well, okay, Salvation your book is it's a

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unique book in any ways, but this is one in

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which the protagonist is trained mentally, physically, and emotionally to

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employ deadly violence when necessary to protect those in his charge,

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but he simultaneously come to terms with his spiritual beliefs

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as well. Is there a challenge there or a takeaway

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of some sort for all of us that are reading it, something,

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some extra things to think about, because it really is

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a very interesting nexus, if you will, a little mingling

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of these two different worlds.

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Yeah, that kind of popped up organically when I was

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reading it or writing it. I didn't really start off

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to write a book about the nature of violence in

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somebody who in a person of faith. But you know,

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my writing process on this was, you know, very very loose.

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I didn't have a tight outline of my plot and

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say this was everything I started writing, and then everything

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kind of went in different directions, and I'm going, yeah, no,

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that was somebody. If you if you have somebody who

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you know spent twenty five years perfecting himself to be

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someone who you know is capable of protecting people by

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whatever it takes, how does that person handle you know,

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the Sermon on the Mount where it says turn the

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other cheek right, you know, how does that person handle

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thou shock dell' shalt not commit murder? You know, there's

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that there's that innate tension in between a religion that

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is based on vengeance's mind saith the Lord and these

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bad guys got to go because they're not doing any good.

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And that kind of came organically, and and to be honest,

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it was based on my struggles that I went through

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because I've carried a firearm with me now for over

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twenty years. And you know, if father raised two kids

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and I have to reconcile with myself. Okay, Yes, I'm

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a Christian, Yes I totally believe the gods in control,

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but I also believe that I have to protect my family,

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And as far as I can tell, there's nothing in

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the Bible that says that I have to intentionally give

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up my life for my family for no for no

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reason at all.

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Right now, I'm willing to do it for for for gain,

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but just to.

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Say they're going to kill your family, and I'm like, okay, fine, No,

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that's not how it works.

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It's the distinction, uh that those in the military and

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and police as well, uh, where they know that they

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would give their life to defend someone, but they won't

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let them take their life.

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Right.

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Yes, there's a great quote from Lynn Givens. Lynn is

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the the wife of Tom Gibbons, one of the guys

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who trained me. Tom's one of the best firearms trainers

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00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:33.960
out there. She said, I do not carry a firearm

480
00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:37.039
to impose my will on others. I carry a firearm

481
00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:38.559
so that others will not impose.

482
00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:43.440
Their will on me. Right. And that's my, my, my, Uh,

483
00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:45.440
that's just how I think about.

484
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:47.720
This, and the and and uh and again that the

485
00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:51.519
best writing is that which comes from personal experience. But

486
00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:55.680
it's interesting, there's a sentence coming here someplace in my head.

487
00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:57.160
I don't know that how it's going to take shape,

488
00:24:57.200 --> 00:24:58.599
But it will, and it's going to be really weird.

489
00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:03.400
What what you do whenever you put that that dimension

490
00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:09.000
in there, is you've given your protagonist three dimensions, you know,

491
00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:10.839
not just he's he's a gunfighter and he'll do what

492
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:11.920
he has to do, and he has to do it

493
00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:15.880
because a lot of of what veterans go through years

494
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:18.319
later at PTSD, that kind of thing, it's tough to

495
00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:20.119
live with some of the things that have to happen.

496
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:22.559
And that is that is a dimension that a lot

497
00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:24.759
of people kind of turn their head from. But you've

498
00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:27.599
confronted it and actually developed your character in a way

499
00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:29.559
that it was really I didn't see that coming.

500
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.319
Well, I'm in the midst of, you know, doing my

501
00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:37.039
research and laying out the plot points for the next novel.

502
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:39.319
It's going to be called Absolution. I have a three

503
00:25:39.519 --> 00:25:43.039
I have a three initial three point three book arc

504
00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:48.359
that I have in mind. It's Salvation, Absolution, Redemption, and

505
00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:50.920
what I wanted to initially as I was laying it out,

506
00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:55.599
is to deal with veteran suicide. Okay, it's completely awful

507
00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:59.799
right now, just the amount of quality men that were losing,

508
00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:05.240
the number one uh cause of death from firearms is

509
00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:10.680
self inflicted gunshot. And as a society, we're going, yeah,

510
00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:13.119
but come on, they're just like, come on, you know,

511
00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:14.960
I mean, come on, you know, you know what I mean. Yeah,

512
00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:16.960
you know, it's not like they're important or something, you know,

513
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And we're ignoring this, this this outbreak of disease.

514
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Let's call it what it is.

515
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And for the life of me, I don't know why.

516
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And you know, to their credit, the National Shooting Sports

517
00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:37.359
Foundation is really starting to do something about that, and

518
00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:38.319
other people, you know.

519
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I don't see.

520
00:26:39.759 --> 00:26:43.279
I don't see how the solution to this problems is

521
00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:47.480
trampling on the rights of people who are not involved

522
00:26:47.559 --> 00:26:49.359
in any ways. But by the same token, we need

523
00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:52.559
to establish that there is a problem, you know. So yeah,

524
00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:56.079
definitely that, you know. And it's also part of the

525
00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:58.359
problem is I think that in the past, you know,

526
00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:00.519
we'd have veterans come home from Vietnam and they'd be

527
00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:07.200
immediately they would find a home outside of in society,

528
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:10.400
in places like the Elks Lodge or the Rotary or

529
00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:16.279
the Moose Lodge or you know, the church, and those

530
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:25.640
sources of male centric camaraderie are gone now they're either

531
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:28.880
you know, and there's nothing wrong. Hey, you know, socializing

532
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:31.960
with women terrific, love it. But by that same token,

533
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:36.799
guys need to be guys. And I don't think it's

534
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:39.960
a coincidence that we're seeing men screaming back to the

535
00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:40.599
church right now.

536
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:44.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's uh, that's something that's that's permanent,

537
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:48.519
the churches. And I just I like that the way

538
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:51.559
that that that Elk came together. Uh, and it just

539
00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:53.799
it makes it difficult to put the book down, you know,

540
00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:56.799
which is wonderful. Okay, I was going to ask you

541
00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:58.799
a final question, but you've already answered it. There will

542
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:04.759
be a sequel, thanks a lot, is there is what

543
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:06.200
the next one is going to be called? What do

544
00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:07.759
you think absolution?

545
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:08.359
Absolution?

546
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:12.880
Okay, I've kind of decided that I'm going to steal

547
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:15.640
from King Lear. Yeah, you know, if you're going to steal,

548
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:19.440
steal from the best, you know, Like I say, my favorite.

549
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:19.839
Author is Robert B.

550
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:22.160
Parker, and you read some of his books and be like, oh, okay,

551
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:25.079
he just he just did his version of the Magnificent Seven,

552
00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:28.079
or you did, oh okay, that's of nice and men?

553
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:31.200
Okay, great, you know, and that's fine, you know, nothing

554
00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:31.640
wrong with that.

555
00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:33.880
You know, it's an homage, and like, I get it,

556
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:35.480
I get it. You know you want it, you want

557
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:39.240
your your you want to do your take on something

558
00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:41.759
you really love. And that's totally And I love Shakespeare,

559
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:44.799
you know. And plus I think the truths that are

560
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:51.119
inside of Shakespeare of you know, betrayal and the great

561
00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:54.519
men being brought down by flaws that are inherent to

562
00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:55.160
their nature.

563
00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:57.200
It's never not.

564
00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:59.960
Wrong, right, Yeah, human nature is unchained.

565
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:04.279
Is that you think you will limit yourself this particular

566
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:06.359
genre of book or do you think there's some other

567
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:08.759
ideas and topics percolating in there?

568
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:16.119
I mean, yeah, writer's right, right, you know. And it's

569
00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:18.119
it's not like you know, I remember I was. I

570
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:20.480
was in a photography for him, and people are like, well,

571
00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:22.640
you know, why do you take pictures? I'm saying, I

572
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:24.480
take pictures to fill the empty.

573
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:25.039
Hole in my soul.

574
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:26.119
You know.

575
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:28.400
I do it because I have to, not because I

576
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:31.160
want to. And it's the same way with writing. I

577
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:33.000
have an idea in the back of my head for

578
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.000
a young adult series. It's just it's it's it's not

579
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:39.920
going to be totally different genre, totally different area. It's

580
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:43.799
gonna you know, it's just to be historical based, okay,

581
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:50.079
and we'll see you know, it's uh, but that's going

582
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:51.720
to be you know, I've got to make enough money

583
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:53.160
that I can do do the writing for full time

584
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:57.559
getting before that happens, and it can happen. You know,

585
00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:01.599
I'm friends with Larry Korea, Larry you know the Monster

586
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:06.119
Hunter International series. You know, he's he's just the content monster.

587
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:10.759
He writes three thousand words a day and he's a

588
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:13.359
good writer. But you know, I know, I just see

589
00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:14.640
the leak expressure on your face.

590
00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:17.200
Like, yeah, I don't know if there's enough that there's

591
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:19.119
enough be twelve in the universe and be able to

592
00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:19.400
pull that.

593
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:21.480
Well.

594
00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:23.519
You know I can see it doing because you know,

595
00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:25.599
when I was, you know, a magazine writer, I pull

596
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:28.200
fish words a day, right, you know I could do that.

597
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:32.359
But you know it wouldn't be a bad thing to

598
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:33.039
be a full time writer.

599
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:35.680
I oh that I've I would love that I did

600
00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:38.400
that as a historian as an act of duty. But

601
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:41.960
when I was doing a lot of articles years ago,

602
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.480
when I had more time, one of my son's friends

603
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:47.759
was following the stuff that I was writing, and he

604
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:49.680
enjoyed it, and at one point he told my son,

605
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:53.119
he said, your dad must really love to write, you know,

606
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:55.559
And I'm like, well, that's like saying I love to breathe.

607
00:30:56.759 --> 00:30:58.880
I am kind of I am kind of addicted to that,

608
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:01.440
so I can't help it. It's got I've got to

609
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:03.880
be able to express these things somehow. But I love

610
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:06.000
the way that you've done it. This is a fabulous book.

611
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:07.240
Well, thank you.

612
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:11.680
The book is entitled Salvation published by fort talis.

613
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:14.759
Is that that was pronounced fort lays all right, published

614
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:15.920
by Forti Lasa Press.

615
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:19.559
That's my own, that's my own imprint. Imprint you have

616
00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:23.200
to have to put down something in in Amazon. Fort

617
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.920
de laissa is the Spanish verb that shows up in

618
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:29.319
Philippians four thirteen, where it says I can do all

619
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:32.559
things through Christ, who strengthens me in Spanish, that is

620
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:35.400
total apoto in Cristal came and fort de lays and

621
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:38.480
it's the same verb, the same Latin root where we

622
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:39.599
get fortified.

623
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:41.640
From Okay, well how about that? Okay, good.

624
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:45.039
Yeah, it's available on Amazon and it'll be coming to

625
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:47.720
major retailers very soon. And gets you a copy of

626
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:50.240
this thing and make yourself comfort because you're gonna be

627
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:51.000
reading it for a while.

628
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:54.119
It just reels you in and it's a wonderful, wonderful read.

629
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You can find the author, Kevin Creighton at Kevin Crayton

630
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:59.519
dot com, and i'd urge you to check that out.

631
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To Kevin, thank you so much. It's been a pleasure, sir,

632
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:05.599
Thank you very much. That's Kevin Creighton on the Dave

633
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Carter Program.

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Oh Man, sound like the Blues? Baby that mercy?

641
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God?

642
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I love this stuff. Don't that good? Yeah?

643
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That that that?

644
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:57.880
Sorry, I'm stroking out here. It wasn't Kevin fantastic.

645
00:32:58.039 --> 00:32:58.200
Huh.

646
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:02.240
He's a wonderful, wonderful writer, and as you can tell,

647
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:05.279
he's passionate about his work. And in this book, his

648
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:07.319
first book, you wouldn't. I mean, it doesn't look like

649
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:09.000
it at all. It doesn't seem like it, but it

650
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:12.319
really was a labor of love. He had a blast

651
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.319
writing it and you'll have a blast reading it too,

652
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So grab yourself a copy over on Amazon look for

653
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Salvation by Kevin Creighton and get ready for a compelling experience. Hi, Now,

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let me talk to you about something out of the ordinary.

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With my sincere thanks and appreciation, to my friend and

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This is Dave Carter and I'll see you next time.

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Kevin Creighton

Kevin Creighton has written about the new reality of gun ownership for many publications including Concealed Carry Magazine, American Hunter, Shooting Illustrated and NRA Family. The former editor at Ammoman.com, he has been featured on a Shooting Gallery TV episode on Outdoor Channel and has had many radio and podcast appearances. Some of the trainers he’s learned from include Tom Givens, John Farnam, John Murphy, Craig Douglas, Kyle Lamb, Massad Ayoob, Rob Leatham and Brian Hill. He holds instructor certifications from the NRA, Rangemaster Inc, and Defense Training International, and is the chief instructor at Deep50 Range just outside of Naples, Florida.