An Incisive and Fun Chat with Troy Senik

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Podcasting from Memphis, Tennessee. He's
a soldier, storyteller, historian, and

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maybe a bit of a hell raisers
and enjoy It's Dave Carter. Are you

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net worry? Then we're locked and
loaded and ready to go. Hey,

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folks, I'm Dave Carter. I
mean, can you imagine anyone else taking

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on the job of being me?
I mean, who would want to in

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the first place. Anyway, it's
a treat, a treat, indeed,

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to welcome you to the show today. Thank you for being here, for

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listening in and watching with us.
We've been gone a little while. A

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lot has been going on behind the
scenes, like, oh, I don't

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know, a day job, for
example, paying the bills, you know

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that kind of thing. It's in
retail my day job. As you may

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know, the stimulus checks hit a
couple three weeks ago, and people are

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in an absolute panic to get rid
of all that money that's in their accounts

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now less they actually, you know, save up a little bit in case

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something goes wrong at some point.
We can't have that, so they're in

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a hurry to get rid of it. So then go back living paycheck to

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paycheck, teetering on the brink of
financial disaster, which is good news for

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US retailers. Right, So the
store I work at man we have been

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as busy as a mosquito on a
nude beach. That may not be the

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best analogy. In fact, that
analogy kind of sucks, I guess,

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but then so does the mosquitos.
So anyway, you get the idea.

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But I think you'll find the weight
here to have been worth it. Because

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a Ricochet favorite and my favorite,
Troy Senek, will be along with us

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and we'll bit to talk about his
latest adventure, which is actually an exciting

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initiative and a project in which he's
recruited some of the best researchers and the

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best minds out there in an effort
to explore some of the questions that nag

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at us every now and then,
whether it be great big volcanoes and the

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kind of damage they can do there
was They did a video even of the

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effect on crime of seemingly innocuous things
like increasing street lighting in certain parts of

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town and how what the impact that
has on the crime rate. So it's

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not necessarily an ideological mission that they're
on. They're just taking the things that

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we talk about around the water cooler
or wherever and exploring it in depth and

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giving us information that for the most
part a lot of us had no idea

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about. And then we get the
discide from there, but we think about

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it, but at least the research
has been done. It's in compelling video

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three figure so minute video snips and
the video the film is unbelievable, the

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videography, the graphics, the narrations. Troy or narrate some of this stuff.

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So that's really really good. So
we'll be getting into more of that

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with Troy here in just a minute. But speaking of retail, it's been

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my experience and probably probably yours as
well, that when you advertise a big

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sale, let's say, a fifty
percent off sale Black Friday, just to

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take that as an example, you
can anticipate when you do that, a

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lot of people will be at the
store right places is going to be crowded

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when on that particular day. If
you work at the store as I did,

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for example, where every New Year's
Day they have dramatic reductions, there'll

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be a forty percent reduction and for
example, in the items that are already

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marked down sixty five percent, so
that you can walk out of the place

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with high end merchandise at flea market
prices. It's wonderful for the customer,

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and so you've incentivized them to maximize
their the power of their shopping dollars.

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They take advantage of that, so
they show up in great, big mobs.

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There's a standpede every New Year's Day
when the door opens, and it's

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just it's bedlam. It looks like
the sacking of Rome all day long.

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When the crowd finally leaves at the
end of the day, the store is

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thoroughly pillaged. The employees are shell
shocked, and every one customer employee alike,

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it is utterly exhausted. But you
know what doesn't happen. Absolutely no

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one in the store, customer and
not employee, not manager, none of

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them look around and say, geez, I didn't expect all that to happen,

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because it was absolutely predictable. You
knew that when you put this thing

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together right, And yet that's exactly
what's happening on America's southern border. The

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Fed's picked up just in the month
of March nineteen thousand unaccompanied children traveling across

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the Mexican border into the US.
Just in the month of March alone,

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an all time record, roughly double
the number of children that came across a

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year earlier in March of twenty twenty. Overall, the bar patrol encountered nearly

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one hundred and seventy thousand people entering
the US illegally just during the month of

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March, and they run out of
space to house them, so a great

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many of them were now being trans
supported to different venues in various cities,

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military bases, hotels on your dime, of course, but they were kept

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in such cramped quarters for so long. Now they're being dispersed about, and

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god knows how many of them are
taking COVID nineteen with them, for example,

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while the rest of us are being
locked down and made to wear face

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asking all that kind of thing.
Meanwhile, Vice President Harris has been placed

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in charge of this fiasco, an
utterly predictable one, and she has evidently

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been mute ever since. Not a
bad thing, actually. And then the

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borders are ROBERTA. Jacobson, I
believe her name is said. Nope,

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done, she's out of here.
She's had enough fun. She's walking out

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the door. No more for her. Who could have seen this coming?

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Right? Actually, anyone who has
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could have seen this coming. When
you come into office vowing to stop construction

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on a border wall because it's inhumane, don't you see you effectively leave the

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door unlocked if you will, And
then you reverse the policies that required those

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applying for asylum here to stay in
Mexico pending the adjudication of their case.

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When you tell these folks they'll be
welcomed into the country, there will be

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jobs and free education, and free
benefits and free healthcare and all kinds of

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nice things. What exactly do you
think is going to happen that which you

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subsidize you get more of? I
mean, Ray Charles could have seen this

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coming. And yet the folks who
claim to know best how to order our

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lives and spend our income, our
earnings, and because they are so much

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smarter than the rest of us,
don't you know, have been caught flat

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footed. They are positively dumb struck
as to how to handle a humanitarian crisis

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which they created. Did you see
the video of those two children that were

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just literally dropped, practically thrown over
the wall into the US two small children,

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or the video that of the border
patrol guy who encountered a youngster of

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just last week, I believe it
was who was here all alone because by

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himself in the desert, no one
to help, not knowing what was going

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on, crying his eyes out.
Or a week or so ago, I

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believe that we had a small child
eight years old I believed drowned, and

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the rio grand trieding to get over
here, families back home. They dispatched

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the kid. When the guy who
sits in the office that used to be

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occupied by leaders of the free world
rolls out the welcome meant to everyone,

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don't be surprised if everyone, including
a few terrorists, come over. It

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doesn't surprise me. In fact,
none of it surprises me, because it's

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so predictable that I predicted it.
What does surprise me, what just dumbfounds

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me are the Americans who cheered when
this administration came into power, who now

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have grown as silent as statues while
all this is happening. They lose their

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voice, They forget how to applaud
when their accomplishments happen. Come on,

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folks, all the devotees of the
high Church of wokeness and cultural suicide take

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credit where you've earned it where it's
due. Is ess not what they wanted.

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They knew it was coming because a
lot of people told them what would

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happen, and still they persisted out
of their hatred for one man. So

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I think a curtain call is an
order to take a bottle, and while

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they're taking about, stay in that
position for a while longer, because a

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lot more is coming our way,
so to speak. The Senate filibuster hangs

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by the skin of Joe Manchion's teeth, and with it the rights of legislative

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minorities. The administration has begun the
process by which they intend to pack the

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Supreme Court with as many justices as
it takes to assure a progressive hegemony and

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the destruction of the separation of powers. And the sanctions it had crippled her

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on and kept them in line for
a while are being lifted, of course.

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And after months of standing down your
cities, your businesses were being torched

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and looted, and innocent people were
being dragged out of their vehicles and beaten

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senseless. After months of defunding and
de moralizing the police, which resulted in

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more innocent blood being shed, with
skyrocketing homicide rates and assaults. The same

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people that left you vulnerable to all
of that, who couldn't be bothered to

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protect you, are now going to
make it even harder for you to protect

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yourself, because that's what happens when
you go from America first to Americans last.

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But hey, there's no mean tweets
being twittered out of the White House,

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so it's all good, right,
all the mayhem the streets, the

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full of chaos, the chaos on
the board of tens of thousands of jobs

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already lost, the million more jobs
predicted to be lost as Joe Biden's tax

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increases take effect, with Americans losing
their jobs while people who are here illegally

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claimed benefits that you get stuck with
the bill for. It's all worth it,

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right, way to go, take
a bow, But don't worry about

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claiming your prize, because your prize
is going to claim you and the rest

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of us, our kids, our
grandkids, will all suffer a loss of

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liberty, dignity, and ameni instences
their very lives to the rule of incompetent,

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totalitary little misfits who have this stupid
audacity to presume to order you around

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like you were born with a ring
through your nose, made to be led,

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made to be ruled, and judging
from the election results, I guess

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enough of you apparently fit that description
to tank the place. See this is

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This is why I don't dwell on
this too much normally when I do a

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podcast, because I get too irritated
about it, and I probably shouldn't.

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But I'm passionate about the country which
multiple generations of my family served in the

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military to defend, in which I
spent twenty years defending. I'm not too

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keen to see it administer a self
lobotomy and implode. But here we are.

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So let's just chalk it up to
a moment, a momentary candor on

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my part, to borrow a phrase
from Stephen Tyler, dancing on a land

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mine. But we'll turn down the
temperature here a little bit and turn up

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the fun as we cool things off
a little and relax and enjoy a much

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needed conversation where they're really really has
now. If you don't know Troy Synek,

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then here let me read the bio
that I found on his new website,

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Kite and Key Media. It says, quote Troy synec is the co

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founder and Vice president for Content at
Kite and Key Media. He's been a

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White House speechwriter, a think tank
executive, a newspaper columnist, a podcaster,

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and a Jeopardy champion. He is
currently at work on a biography of

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President Grover Cleveland, meaning that he
will soon be able to add guest on

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c Span three to his list of
accolades. That book he's working on,

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by the way, if I haven't
correct, is called a Man of Iron

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The Turbulent Life and air Improbable Presidency
Grover Cleveland. Now, if you haven't

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noticed, Troy can be wonderfully self
deprecating, at times charmingly so, but

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he has a one full gift for
eloquence, which he's used to help others,

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including including President George W. Bush, Arnold Schwarzeneggern Gingrich, and a

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whole host of writers at the Manhattan
Institute and also at Ricochet when he was

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our writitor in chief. They're even
helping yours truly here. He holds several

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podcasts on Ricochet and over at the
Hoover Institute, and those shows feature distinguished

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scholars, historians, accomplished academics.
And then he obviously got drunk and ended

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up here today talking with me.
So Troit cheers, Dave. Good to

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see again, my friend. That
is an incredibly unfair introduction because I'm going

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to do nothing but disappoint, right, I just don't see to be generous.

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Don't see that happening. Not not, not in the least. And

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if so, we'll switch over to
c SPAN. Right. So, but

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thank you, thank you for taking
the time to appear on the proworm,

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and hopefully you'll leave here with your
reputation at least somewhat intact. I can't

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take much. My mom in law
and Shelley, of course, in their

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regards. Uh, they know I'm
talking to you, and they're they're all

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jealous. So you left, you
left the Manhattan Institute a little while back.

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Now, are you still living in
the seventh Circle of Dante? I

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mean, are you still living in
the New York area. It's got it's

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gotten worse days because as you know, I was in your adopted home state

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of Tennessee before I came, right, I remember that I didn't think they

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would leave. I don't mean that
is a bad thing. I thought,

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you know, I didn't intend to. I was very happy being in Nashville.

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And then I got this unexpected sort
of offer out of the blue from

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the Manhattan Institute back in twenty fifteen
and tried to see if there was a

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way that I could work it remotely. And there was just no way too,

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because I was I was managing all
the scholars. It just wasn't a

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thing that you could do from,
you know, your basement in a bathrobe,

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which is how I would have been
doing it. So I came up

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here, but ahead of your time, so um allergic that I lived on

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forty acres in the woods in Nashville. So the last thing that I was

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going to do was come to midtown
Manhattan. So I lived about as far

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out as you can in Connecticut and
now Dave. Even though I'm no longer

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at the Manhattan Institute, not only
am I still in the greater New York

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area, I have managed to make
it much worse for myself, which is

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I live in a high rise in
New Jersey. Oh. So this is

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devolution. So you really are drunk? Okay, Wow, I feel I

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feel a little liberated though, because
when I was at the Manhattan Institute,

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the history of the Institute is so
wound up with the history of New York

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City and the work that they did
with Giuliani on crime, and all this

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work they continue to do on New
York. So if you are at the

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institute, you know you always had
to reflect on the majesty of New York

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City and how important the work was. And now that I'm out of it,

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I feel free to say it's a
nightmare, like I really don't.

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I really kind of hate it here, so I don't think I've heared it

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a long term but alas I am
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Shelley and I were dating, and
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country, I had to go from
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just a nightmare to drive to take
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the bridge and GW Bridge and all
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a little Catholic prayer because I was
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so I want to get this right. And I could not remember, you

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know what Saint controls traffic. I
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figure it out. So I'm like
calling all Saints, calling all Saints,

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kid me for this place. You
know. So now, well, now

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with Kit and Key media, you
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conversation that really I think needed some
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of questions that we all ask ourselves, right, the things that we're curious

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about and talk to each other about. And you've got a group of researchers

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there. So so tell me,
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how what you how would you describe
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what it's primarily focused on. It
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the Manhattan Institute and with other thing
tanks. As you mentioned. I've worked

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with the Hoover Institution too, because
think tanks are very good at reaching elite

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audiences. They're very good at getting
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stuff on the opinion page of the
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that we would count as victories when
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they felt good. But then I
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family members or my friends, people
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and you realize that whatever they had
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had much more influence than they never
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know. And then when you looked
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on the online platforms, the kinds
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you know, they're so brutally oversimplified, or they or they operate from such

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erroneous from such erroneous suppositions that you
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a lot of people who are consuming
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them smarter, and it's probably they
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the think tanks or to some degree
the Academy, this stuff would kind of

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bleed down into broadcast media or print
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oversimplified but still functionally correct version of
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the next level where it went down
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like a xerox of a zero.
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but people would still have a good
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felt like it had gone away.
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do this. You can't try to
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because think tanks are full of PhDs
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their own way when they're trying to
explain something to, you know, someone

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in a diner. Right, So, my background, having been a speechwriter,

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having been a columnist, having been
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trying to simplify and make things clear, we thought, let's just cut out

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the mentalman, and let's just take
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think tanks or academic institutions, wrap
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audience, and try to do it
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sort of a magazine style, and
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humor. And I mean, I
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if you've got a dog and you've
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you put it in the little thing. And so this is not supposed to

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feel burdensome or like you're watching a
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that we hope you know they're I
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issues. Not sufficient. We'd love
if people went back and actually read the

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underlying material. But if you're only
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of issues we do, we hope
we can get you started on it.

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Okay, Well, the thing is
a marvelous success so far. Now you're

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you're the co founder of Kite and
Key and vice president for content. The

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other co founder of Vanessa Mendoza also
has had a distinguished career leading public policy

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research efforts. She's co founder and
CEO, so she must be. She

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must be a wonderful partner because she
gave you the better end of the deal.

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Vice president for Content. Actually,
it does sound like a lot of

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fun. Is it as fun as
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of fun. I mean what it
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labor as she handles all of the
business stuff, which she's fantastic at.

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We work together at the Manhattan Institute. She used to be the executive vice

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president Institute. Okay, and we're
nonprofit, so she does most of the

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fundraising, She does all the strategic
planning, she oversees all the marketing that

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I get to sit around and think
what could we write about today? I

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get to sit around and because there
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to say, what if we did
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one reading there to say no.
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and frankly reckless amount of power to
give someone like me. I agree,

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but but I think it's a great
I think so far. You know,

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you know, whatever you're drinking,
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out keeping the lid. Yeah right, h I've got I've got some good

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Cajun coffee here. Now this is
a different mug. It's in a hell

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of a mug. Yeah, it
says more coffee, less commies, if

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we were being grammatically correct, would
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It's just you know, this is
this is good chickory coffee. So have

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put hair on your teeth, you
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cup. See this, tear off
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what I mean you did a little
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have I known you? Dave?
What reading up? When? Did you

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just recently found find out what what
air Force based? I've retired from,

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So these things eke out over time, right, that's a good So I

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came across a twenty and eighteen interview
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a presidential speechwriter and you said that
they quote must be able to distill complicated

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ideas and a short, pithy and
intelligible formulations for people who just don't have

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enough time to go deeper. So
it seems like kite and Key becomes a

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realization of that whole train of fault
that you had going back then, Zach.

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been just getting for a long time. You know, I'll give you I'll

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give you a version of this just
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I first came on at the White
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the totem pole and the speechwriting team, one of the things you always get

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assigned, or at least you did
in my day, was the President's weekly

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radio address. Is the short thing
that came out every Saturday. Usually it

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was sort of derivative of something that
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you're kind of synthesizing someone else's.
That's really cool stuff too. I mean

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Ronald Reagan had Yeah, I remember
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mean, well, and it's heyday. It really meant something. By the

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time I was there, it was
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But I remember saying at the end
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oh seven away or is this where
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can probably driving there's this huge spike
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the time was anwar was opening up an

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wark. And I said to somebody
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we could accomplish so much more if
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so we could actually show the specifics
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eye, they have this abstract vision
of caribou frolicking on a meadow. God

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forbid that we in truth when in
reality, I mean, the point that

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George will always used to make is
anmar is the size of the state of

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South Carolina and the area that they
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Logan Airport in Boston. And I
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if we could show this to people, it would totally change this debate.

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can do it in sort of a
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visuals to kind of make this stuff
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By the way, the Obama descrusion
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They turned it into a video series. Yeah, well, I mean it

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makes sense. They did a few
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did a few things that makes sense. Um, well, look what I

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want to do with your with your
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segment for our folks here of one
of the videos that you guys do.

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This is one is on the subject
of volcanoes. So so everyone is thinking,

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you know, hold up, it's
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This is interesting stuff, right,
So you know, so we'll do

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a little video on that. If
that's okay. All I've got to do

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is hit about sixteen buttons simultaneously.
All right. Volcanos have played a dramatic

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role in human history. In seventy
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The eruption of Krakatoa in eighteen eighty
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be heard three thousand miles away,
the equivalent of hearing something happened in Dublin,

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Ireland from Boston in nineteen eighty Americans
even got their own taste of volcanic

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destruction with the eruption of Mount Saint
Helen's. But there's one thing humans have

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never encountered, at least not since
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of a supervolcano. What is the
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death hole. Put slightly less simply, it's a volcano capable of eruptions on

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a scale we can barely imagine.
A supervolcanic explosion would be at least four

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thousand times as powerful as the eruption
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across the entire planet. So that's
that's uplifting. Well, the goal was

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not to be uplifting. The goal
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that's good, you congratulate. I
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name for it is, I mean, it grabs you and just draws you

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into what's going on. You're narrating
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good, pithy, informative way,
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planet is going to become a flaming
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know I fought very hard for that
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the sort of norse metal visual that's
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it. These are the things that
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then we had a we had a
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very hard for We photoshopped an old
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about how China was never going to
relax, that laid back dictatorships aren't a

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thing, and so we photoshopped an
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like Nobody's watching, And I mean, these are these are the things that

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define my life nowadays. Well,
if then, if and if you will

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permit me, then with with the
mental respect, of course, but I

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would offer one word one word of
caution here, yes, because when when

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you put this sort of thing together, you never know when someone with oh

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I don't know, a twisted mind
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can take to just add one little
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you've got a flaming So you've got
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really right now right now, Choy
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yours, so I've had this experience. Joy's thinking, I worked in the

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White House, damn it, And
here I am about talking about talking about

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blaming. We now return you to
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progress. I'm just honored that you
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in the White House. Be Um, okay, I'm gonna try to be

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somewhat serious. But one of one
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noticed, and easy one of the
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admire uh. In addition to the
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you prefer to stay a few steps
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that you want to find ways to
engage the mind, but you're really not

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interested in the polemical fisticuffs and free
for all that that. Yes, lord

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anyway, um uh so dominated right, that's right, I should I should

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stipulate I'm not interested in being on
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mean that I'm not on the demand
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some people who who engage in that. Um, But I, in my

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heart of hearts, I think this
is an untenable position. Unfortunately, in

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the year twenty twenty one, I, in my heart of hearts am a

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culture war pacifist. Most of the
things that occupy our attention in the culture

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war, I tend to think would
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people's communities rout an individual. Absolutely. The problem with that, of course,

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is if one side doesn't agree to
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the problem with real pacifism. You're
going to get eventually. You may have

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interested in but they're interested in you, right, now exactly right, exactly

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right. But because so much of
American politics I think has shifted to a

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focus on these cultural issues, the
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talking about a Kite and Key sort
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think we're actually losing the muscle to
have the lay person is losing the muscle

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to have serious arguments about that kind
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the idea with Kite and Key was
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also to I mean, we're not
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came from the Manhattan Institute. We're
right of center people. We're not trying

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to head join any of them,
right, but in doing videos about public

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policy and public policies, I really
go out of my way. We go

407
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:11.480
out of our way to we don't
feature politicians in these videos as either objects

408
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:17.200
of ridicule or objects of praise.
We really don't talk about Republicans or Democrats,

409
00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:22.559
conservatives or liberals, because I want
people to focus on the ideas before

410
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.160
they start trying to label them,
especially with people who have kind of soft

411
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:30.200
priors. Well yeah, and when
they hear a label, they automatically attach

412
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:33.640
all sorts of attributes to that person
that has that label that may or may

413
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:36.680
not be accurate, and in many
cases they're not at all accurate. That's

414
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sort of my thing. I don't
want to give people the excuse to take

415
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:42.519
the shortcut to actually think through it
on the merits. Yeah. Yeah.

416
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:48.960
My grandfather on my dad's side was
a Democrat from you know, from the

417
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:53.240
time the earth cool I guess and
so, and he and I during the

418
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:56.720
Reagan president. So he and I
would go round and round and round.

419
00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:00.759
He couldn't figure out where my folks
have gone wrong in my bringing because I

420
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:03.119
wasn't. And so what I did
is I would say, all right,

421
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:04.759
Grandpa, was let me just ask
you some questions. We don't even talk

422
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:08.880
about political parties anymore. And I
would ask him topic A, topic,

423
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:11.839
B, topic CE, and he
would tell me what he thought. I

424
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:19.200
said, you've just a spouse Republican
platform essentially, and he looked at me

425
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:23.400
like you bastard. You know,
he was not happy. But when you

426
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.920
get down to the ideas, that's
that's what matters, right, Yes,

427
00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:33.240
yeah, And he's representative of an
entire generation of shutter Democrats where you had

428
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.160
and where you had the opposite thing
happening with Northeastern Republicans too, right.

429
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:38.920
I mean this is I think we've
actually, in a weird way, we've

430
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:42.799
lost something by the parties becoming more
consistent. They you know, they were

431
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:47.279
a little more interesting and there was
a little bit more play in the joints,

432
00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:52.079
even legislatively, when there was more
ideological diversity within the parties. I

433
00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:55.480
think it does make it harder when
they get they're more intellectually consistent, they

434
00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:59.880
kind of make more sense. They've
purged. Yeah, maybe two two blunt,

435
00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:02.960
but yeah. But the Democrats,
particularly if you are in any any

436
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:10.119
way, become somewhat pro life,
if that's if that's think about that and

437
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:12.599
things and things in those terms.
No, no, we don't. There's

438
00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:15.880
no place where you here. You
know, it's funny you bring that up.

439
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:19.599
I was trying to think the other
day if there are any prominent and

440
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:22.440
by prominent, I mean like they
could be a House member. Any prominent

441
00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:26.880
pro life Democrats left anywhere in the
country. I don't think so. Since

442
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:30.640
think of one, not since Zell
Miller died, I don't believe. Yeah,

443
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.839
who's that, I'm freaking his name
now? The congressman from Michigan during

444
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:41.240
the Obamacare fight that was was pushing
on this cannot cannot remember. Maybe maybe

445
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.400
sports Stupak, that's the last one
I remember. I don't. I don't

446
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:48.680
think there are any, so it
be you're right. So that's the reason

447
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:53.400
why I guess those labels come attached
with all these pre pre preconceived ideas because

448
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:57.200
the parties have made that happen.
So talk about ideas. Yeah, And

449
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:01.480
there's also a focus in the work
that we do on finding some issues that

450
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:06.160
I'd almost call pre ideological, Like
I don't think that there is a Republican

451
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:09.200
or democratic approach to how you think
about the long term threats of something like

452
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:13.559
blaming death all. Oh yeah,
right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

453
00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:16.880
And so I mean, I like
we did one on the future of cash,

454
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:22.000
because there are proposals out there to
abolish the use of actual, you

455
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:24.720
know, hard currency in the future
that hasn't really broken along partisan lines yet.

456
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:28.079
So we're going to keep trying to
do those things because I liked,

457
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:32.160
I like to get to issues where
people don't alwa, their signapses aren't already

458
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:38.119
wired a certain bringing in the perspective
of Aretha Franklin, and that was just

459
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:43.480
that was fantastic, Thank you,
I approved. Yeah, we used.

460
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:46.920
We used to read Aretha Franklin in
the opening because Aretha Franklin always wanted to

461
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:51.119
be paid in cash. And the
reason that Franklin always wanted to be paid

462
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:53.160
in cash was when she was younger. There are tons of black musicians who'd

463
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:55.680
get stood up, they'd do the
show and they wouldn't get the money.

464
00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:59.880
So we're just trying to underscore the
point that boy having it in your hand

465
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:01.920
makes a difference. Yep. There's
something called common sense. There's something called

466
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:06.559
good sense, and she had good
sense. So frankly, I just wanted

467
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:08.799
an excuse to put a rutha Franklin. Who can deny that? Who I

468
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:13.960
mean, who can at all?
Okay, So changing gears very quickly.

469
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:17.279
How the Grover Cleveland book? How's
that coming? You remember Hamley? He

470
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:22.759
was a I mean, I will
I will say two things. Yeah,

471
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:28.599
One, I think it's coming pretty
well. Two. About a year ago,

472
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:35.240
I had, much to my chagrin, an extremely intense about with an

473
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:42.160
extremely bad kidney stone, and I
would compare writing my first book to that

474
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:45.960
experience. It will pass eventually,
It's going to be extremely painful in the

475
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:51.680
process, and I might black out
at some point before it's Yeah. I

476
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:54.359
don't know if you remember you were
you were, Yeah, you were editor

477
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:59.000
in chief at the time, and
I had I was hospitalized for some kidney

478
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:01.440
stone issues. I remember it.
I remember it very h you say that,

479
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:05.519
I mean it starts hurting right away
soon as Oh my god. If

480
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:09.079
you compare writing a book that particular
book to that, it is funny.

481
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:14.840
I don't catch title. I don't. I don't know if you've found this,

482
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:20.880
but after I went through my experience
quite traumatic, I found that amongst

483
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:24.639
men, it seems like second only
to being a combat veteran in the amount

484
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:29.639
of immediate is free decor Like,
if you mention it, every guy who's

485
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:35.880
ever gone through it will reflexively wins
and then immediately want to tell you their

486
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:37.679
story. In fact, I have
to have to tell you something. It's

487
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:43.199
so fantastic. Do I do this
show with Victor Davis Hansen. Yeah,

488
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.880
Victor has been through this many times. Oh okay, And Victor, as

489
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:51.119
soon as he found out this will
tell you a lot about Victor Davis Hanson

490
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:55.159
as a person. Victor immediately started
walking me through all the things that he

491
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:58.920
recommended as to what to do and
what not to do. As soon as

492
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:01.800
we got off of our pod cast
that day, he sent me a fifteen

493
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:08.119
paragraph email walking me through everything.
And he's a lovely guy. But also

494
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:15.880
this is just you immediately feel a
sympathy in your bones for somebody. Riscont

495
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:20.719
absolutely absolutely, Oh my gosh,
mine up having to have a surgery to

496
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:23.280
take care of so yeah, I
remember, oh my gosh. Um.

497
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:29.440
Yeah, I won't share them.
Yeah, god there, Yeah, I'm

498
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:30.800
sorry. I didn't mean to take
the show in that direction, but that

499
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:35.079
is the analogy that comes to mind. I'm very close to finishing this book,

500
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:37.920
and I have to tell you the
interesting thing about this book is it's

501
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:43.280
totally serendipitous. This is a thing
that I've been obsessed with for ten or

502
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:47.519
fifteen years. I've always thought there
needs to be a modern revisitation of Grover

503
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:52.440
Cleveland. He's one of the only
two term presidents that is not sort of

504
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:55.880
fixed in the public's memory. If
you go and think about the people who've

505
00:35:55.880 --> 00:36:00.960
actually served two full terms, we're
almost on first name basis with most of

506
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:06.199
them, the exceptions being Cleveland and
maybe James Monroe. Anyway, this was

507
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:07.239
a thing in the back of my
head. It was a thing I never

508
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:10.679
pursued. And it just so happened
that a couple of friends of mine who

509
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:15.360
are agents, who are literary agents
in DC, were in New York when

510
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:19.199
I was still at the Manhattan Institute
and stopped by just on a social call,

511
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:23.440
and in trying to learn about their
business, I asked them, you

512
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:27.079
know how they go about finding projects, how they go about finding authors?

513
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:29.599
And they said, well, everyone, now and again we take something from

514
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:32.800
a publisher on spec. They just
have something they want and they don't know

515
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.480
who the author to do it is. And their example of one of these

516
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:40.559
that was so ludicrous that they could
never find anybody was Simon and Schuster wants

517
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:44.239
a book on Grover Cleveland. Where
the hell are we going to find that?

518
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:49.159
At which point I said, gentlemen, you find back an idea for

519
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.960
you. You have come to the
writer right, well, I mean literally

520
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:54.639
literally fell into my lap. Well, they just gotta push through then,

521
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:57.960
all right, just like you move
with the Kenney. You just got you

522
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:00.880
gotta push through. Because I want
to say it, but well, I'm

523
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:05.400
around this time next year, that
is when it is due to be hitting

524
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:10.920
hitting stands partially because they want to
get it out before the field starts congealing.

525
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:17.480
For the Republican presidential context, because
Donald Trump, God bless him,

526
00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:23.239
the prospect of him running again is
the only thing able to push Grover Cleveland

527
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:30.599
back into public consciousness. Well,
there we are, so very very quickly.

528
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:37.679
House of the family. The family
is great. My wife finished right

529
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:42.320
before COVID started, finished a PhD
at the University of Connecticut Biomedical Science.

530
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:46.480
Nice. She's now working at Bristol
Myers squib in New Jersey. So she's

531
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:50.440
she's the brains in the family.
I mean, I'm just obviously you would

532
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:52.880
know this by looking at me.
I'm I'm arm Candy. That's what I

533
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:59.840
mean, you two. I mean
the things that we that we that we

534
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:02.320
do, you know, suffer and
go through for our spouses. It's just

535
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:07.440
remember I told you earlier about Shelley
and her eyes, just like you know

536
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:08.920
right now she sees that she's going, oh god, there he goes,

537
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:15.719
Well, look, this has been
mad fun. It always is, Dave,

538
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:19.280
I always is when I'm talking about
I hope that you can still find

539
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:25.719
gameful employment after this goes public.
And it's an open question whether It's been

540
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:29.000
a treat Sir, thank you so
much for taking the time to talk with

541
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:31.039
this. I do appreciate it.
Likewise, Dave, thank you very much,

542
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:36.920
folks. As Troy Cenec on the
Dave Carter Program, we're talking with

543
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:40.199
Ricochet co founderer and Cheers executive producer
Rob long. I used to say when

544
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:44.519
I lived I lived in the Panhandle
before, and I used to say that

545
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:46.199
the further south that you went in
for to the further north you go.

546
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:51.280
That's true. That's exactly. Reactions
changed, the driving habits change. Oh

547
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:57.519
my god, it's like anyway,
my grandfather was a Bostonian and then spent

548
00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:00.559
most of his life sort of living
abroad and kind of crazy places in Africa

549
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:05.119
and Mexico. And he was living
in the nineteen fifties and sixties in Paris,

550
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:09.920
and he was doing mining in Africa
and French Equatorial Africa and um and

551
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:13.159
people and he would drive in Paris
and people said, my god, I

552
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:15.800
mean, how did you learn to
drive so well in Paris? And I

553
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:20.280
learned to drive in Boston. If
your spinkers are making a funny sound,

554
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.199
you're listening to the Dave Carter Show. Speaking of the Panhandle. Just to

555
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:28.719
go back to that, we're going
what happens when people in New York and

556
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:32.719
in California discover how beautiful the Panhandle
is. Don't don't, don't no,

557
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:36.400
no, but no, because when
I when I get it, when I

558
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:39.320
get out of Mogad, I'm sorry, Memphis over here more likely than not

559
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:42.679
going to be in the pant No, no, please, please, I'm

560
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:50.400
going to edit that part out.
Okay, let me tell you something now.

561
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:52.920
When the time comes, I'm gonna
be out of here so fast it's

562
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:57.840
gonna make my head spin. Enough
fun, man, So how'd you like

563
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:04.159
Troy Center? Wasn't it great?
Normally on these various other programs and podcast

564
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:07.639
on which he appears, he plays
it pretty straight, you know, which

565
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:12.039
makes sense when you're talking with brilliant
legal minds like Richard Epstein and John you

566
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:15.119
or Were Professor Victor Davis Hanson,
who is arguably one of the smartest men

567
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:19.480
in the country. So when TROYA
comes over here, while it's a little

568
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:22.199
bit of a different vibe, and
so we encourage mister Senec to let his

569
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:25.960
hair down, if not his guard
and have a fun time. But he's

570
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:31.519
really doing fantastic work along with Kite
and Key co founder and CEO Vanessa Mendoza,

571
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:36.679
and there's superb team of researchers and
producers over there at Kite and Key

572
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:38.880
to give us all a lot of
information to consider as we look at some

573
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:43.920
of the major issues that affect all
of us. Regardless of your ideological disposition,

574
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:47.440
whether you're a Bernie Sender's utopian or
some fire breathing nut like me,

575
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:52.920
just affects us all and they give
us the information to think about. So

576
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:57.119
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yourself right here on the podcast as
well. Now tell me if you've heard

609
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:43.199
this before. Okay, things have
gone absolutely bat guano insane in the Minneapolis

610
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.800
area. That's a shock, isn't
it. And another person has resisted arrest

611
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:52.519
and surprise, bad things followed,
at which point cue the rioters, the

612
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:57.280
mayhem, the looting, the arson, the destruction, because nothing says we

613
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:01.199
want justice like stealing flat screen TVs
in setting businesses and things on fire.

614
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:05.159
But there are different layers of the
story, and as I often do,

615
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:08.440
I try to talk with folks on
the ground when these significant events take place,

616
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:12.280
and my go to person in Minneapolis, as many of you know,

617
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:16.480
is fcochet member and a writer at
the Federalist. Jenna Stalker Jenna's Marine Corps

618
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:21.119
veteran, where she served as an
officer. She was a researcher at the

619
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:24.280
Center for Security Policy, a think
tank in Washington, DC, and she

620
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:30.639
now resides in Minneapolis with her husband, who's also a military veteran. They're

621
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:32.679
both out numbered by number dogs.
I've had that in my notes here,

622
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:37.280
but at least the dogs are domesticated, which is more than one can say

623
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:40.800
about the mob that's determined to wreck
the city. So with that backdrop,

624
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:45.039
I'm helping happy to welcome again to
the program, Jenna Stalker, though I

625
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:51.000
regret the circumstances. How are you
good and yourself? I'm just having all

626
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:53.639
sorts of fun here and joined this
and I've got the coffee going. But

627
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:58.480
I hate what I'm seeing on the
TV. Now. I know that the

628
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:02.360
TV. A lot of what you
see on TV is just the tunnel vision,

629
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:07.639
if you will. It doesn't show
the larger landscape. But I know

630
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:13.760
also that what's happening in Minneapolis is
happening with the backdrop of the Derek Chauvin

631
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:19.119
case. And I believe the National
Guard has been brought in and police presence

632
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:23.000
had been beefed up. So talking
about again the tunnel vision that the camera

633
00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:27.960
gives, the larger landscape that's south
there. With that in mind, what's

634
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:30.199
your impression? Because you live there, You've lived there all your life pretty

635
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:35.159
much, I believe, yet born
and raised. So what do you make

636
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:38.320
of all this? Just from a
macro point of view? I think the

637
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:45.639
trial itself, the Chauvin trial,
is definitely having a tangible effect on people's

638
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:51.960
mindset. It's pretty tense. All
the local news stations are running live stream.

639
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:58.679
The arguments have ended yesterday, and
the jury has a day off today,

640
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:02.519
and I think they're going to start
deliberations on Monday, if I have

641
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:07.920
that timeline right. So, you
know, that's kind of this is kind

642
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:13.119
of cold, be what people have
been holding their breath about. You know.

643
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:16.679
I think a lot of people have
their minds made up. At least

644
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:22.400
the activists set have their minds made
up of what they want to see and

645
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.639
expect nothing less unless there's going to
be violent. Well, they had their

646
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:30.920
minds made up before there was ever
a trial. Absolutely, the evidence is

647
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:34.159
not necessarily needed after a certain point, they just in their opinion, They

648
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:37.880
just see what they see and there's
nothing else that matters. Two part question,

649
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:43.559
to what extent has all the unrest
and the looting and the carnage and

650
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:47.360
all that, to what extent has
that all damaged the city's reputation as a

651
00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:52.559
safe place to live and work and
attract businesses for example? I think it's

652
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:57.519
going to be a long time before
Minneapolis makes its way back to even approaching

653
00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:01.320
where it had its potential. I
think before all this started, before the

654
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:07.880
pandemic, I would say, um, you know, there was a few

655
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:15.159
officer related shootings. Uh you know
before then, um flann the Castile was

656
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:19.280
one, um and they had.
But after this, you know, crime

657
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:22.920
is only escalated, especially violent crime
in the city. So you're kind of

658
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:31.440
um perpetuating a feeling of mistrust between
the people on the street and the police

659
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:39.719
officers. They're pretty combative. So
and then after after the George Floyd death,

660
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:45.039
there was um, you know,
uh feeling where you know, cops

661
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:51.880
are just not welcome here until they're
needed exactly, yes, and they're needed,

662
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:53.719
they're supposed to be there. You
know, we don't need fund you

663
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:57.039
right now, come on back,
because we need help right now because this

664
00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:59.760
guy's trying to kill us. But
after that, you're defunded again. So

665
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:01.880
it's tough for the cops to adjust
to this kind of mentality. Well,

666
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:07.519
there was an immediate, immediate call
for just absolute defunding of the police.

667
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:14.440
Are Alan Omar is a rep for
that area, and so she was out

668
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:19.320
there with her bullhorn calling for that, along with a Black Lives Matter crowd.

669
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:23.119
So and it kind of um,
you know, they had to backstep

670
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:30.599
that. With a triple digit spike
in in percentage of violent crime carjackings,

671
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:36.199
especially when juveniles has increased, police
are having to turn to more of a

672
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:40.960
reactionary instead of a proactive type of
policing, which you know, it's it's

673
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:45.280
not making the city any safer.
No, proactive policing is what helps keep

674
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:49.880
these things from boiling to the service
in the first place and keeps these neighborhoods

675
00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:53.519
safer than they would otherwise be than
if all you're doing is responding to calls,

676
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:57.679
which which brings me to my second
part of that of the question I

677
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:00.440
was posing, do you think that
the city will ever come back as a

678
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:04.320
vibrant place to settled down or is
everyone that can pretty much voting with their

679
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:08.079
feed at this point. Yeah,
I think the people that can leave um

680
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:13.239
or have seen the writing on the
wall, have left or make plans to

681
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:19.440
find other places, uh, you
know in the suburbs even um you know,

682
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:23.519
remote work has made that a lot
easier target has uh made plans are

683
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:28.320
going to keep people away. They're
they're leaving their headquarters in downtown, which

684
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:32.559
is already a ghost town because of
the pandemic. So um, you know,

685
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:37.719
all I really have left in down
in the downtown area are homeless people

686
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:40.920
and drug addicts and and you know, mentally unstable and mentally ill people.

687
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:45.800
Enough about local government, yeah,
so you know, and it's not just

688
00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:51.480
people that are leaving, but it's
people that maybe could be attracted to Minneapolis

689
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:55.480
as a destination point. We're talking
about major sporting events, political events that

690
00:49:55.599 --> 00:50:02.159
are just going to completely bypass the
cities and go somewhere um more um or

691
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:08.039
less hostile to tourists. Um.
So it's really going to be a long

692
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:13.079
haul to try to get that back. Um. And and the people that

693
00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:15.840
are left you that can't uh leave
are going to be the ones that suffer,

694
00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:21.280
right, because the tax base is
going to shrinks as the people that

695
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:24.480
can leave do so. So now
the local governments rely on people who can

696
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:30.639
least afford the cost of of of
goods and serve of services government services,

697
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:36.360
and it becomes to me a death
spiral. Really. Yeah, we have

698
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:42.079
you know, uh, pockets of
you know, more middle class and upper

699
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:45.880
upper class in South Minneapolis, you
know, around the lakes Um, you

700
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:50.239
know, with certain businesses that are
still here. But you once that property

701
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:55.280
tax base drives up, you're looking
at schools receiving less funding, which you

702
00:50:55.360 --> 00:51:00.000
know, for the bureaucracy is a
major blow because they rely on their money

703
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:07.920
to at least out their graduation rates, which are certainly acceptable, except they're

704
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:12.880
graduating kids at a proficiency of a
fifth grade level, so they're pretty much

705
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.840
setting them up for failure. So
then you know, you're putting these kids

706
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:19.679
out on the street that aren't prepared
for life. I don't have any life

707
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:22.320
skills, can't find a job,
So what are they going to do?

708
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:25.679
You know, they've probably find more
solace in the streets than they do in

709
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:30.400
stable employment. So it's pretty it's
pretty dire. Obviously, what they need

710
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:32.280
to do is keep voting for the
party that brings all these things to fruition

711
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:35.800
in the first place, right,
that makes perfect sense. Well, the

712
00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:39.559
thing is they use the crutch of
systemic racism, so that's always their go

713
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:47.719
to excuse for their their failures.
But at some point it would seem whistling

714
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:52.960
against fighting against the railing, against
the storms here. But at the same

715
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:58.679
at some point that you look at
the who is committing the bulk of the

716
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:02.760
violent crimes and you say, these
people can't be white supremacists. But that

717
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:06.519
doesn't get the news headlines. You're
not going to get that on CNN.

718
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:14.400
They see, they love these the
they just eat up all the they call

719
00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:17.920
protests that are you know, with
the flames in the background, and it's

720
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.920
mostly not as the shoe stores and
the dollar stores go up in flames where

721
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:28.159
people are working and they shop at
you know, so it's uh, you

722
00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:32.719
know, the national media and the
corporate media love it. They it's their

723
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:37.320
cause. Well, they and they
establish a narrative that at least why what

724
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:39.280
I see here in Memphis, they
established a narrative at the national level that

725
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:45.079
is pretty well filtered and carried at
the local level as well, so that

726
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:50.159
you don't see people talking about which
lives matter when some when a family here

727
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:54.360
is killed, you know, just
just just neighborhood violence or people like we've

728
00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:58.599
had over thirty six highway shootings in
the first few since the first of the

729
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:01.480
year. It's not going to be
talked about what lives matter and when that

730
00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:06.119
happens. It's only when it's a
certain demographic or it's a police involved thing,

731
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:08.400
then then it matters. Otherwise we're
not going to talk about that.

732
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:14.280
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I
saw the I assume you have too,

733
00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:19.440
the bodycam footage of what happened in
this with respect to what to Dante,

734
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:23.280
right, it seemed pretty obvious to
me that the officer thought she was deploying

735
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:28.599
her taser. I mean she vocalized
the whole time, I'm deploying taser,

736
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:31.400
Taser, Taser. My immediate reaction, and it may not be correct.

737
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:36.840
Was most likely the more experienced and
the senior officers probably hit the bricks last

738
00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:42.079
year. They probably left retired found
departments elsewhere and they're gone, and that

739
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:46.880
leaves a smaller workforce. In many
instance as are younger than more inexperienced workforce

740
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:52.199
with an overwhelming problem that's grown worse
because the police have been weakened, so

741
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:57.360
they're literally in over their heads trying
to deal with this. The officer in

742
00:53:57.559 --> 00:54:00.000
question, I believed, believe had
over twenty year twenty five years or so

743
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:05.119
on on force, So it seems
to me it's a it's a training issue.

744
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:08.840
But I don't know. Again,
I don't know what what happens with

745
00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:10.599
this. I mean, you can
have all the experience in the world and

746
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:15.079
you're overwhelmed and bad things happen.
Um. But do you think that that's

747
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:19.599
what it is? The good,
the experience, the bulk of the experienced

748
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:22.239
people have left, and what what
what's left is just really not equipped to

749
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:28.239
deal with the spiraling, escalating violence. Yeah. I think that's probably just

750
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:30.840
the start of it. I think, you know, we've had not just

751
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:37.639
a demoralizing of the police set are
there, um, you know, the

752
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:43.159
hostilities directed towards them at all level? UM? But UM, I think,

753
00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:47.239
uh, you know, we've had
I think eight over eight hundred plus

754
00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:54.920
is the h we started at before
UM at the beginning of May last year.

755
00:54:55.559 --> 00:55:00.360
Now we're down two hundred plus and
then they defund the police even more.

756
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:06.960
The mayor didn't get his full budget
that he requested. UM. So

757
00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:13.559
they have early retirements, uh,
people taking um leave of absences for mental

758
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:22.719
health reasons. So it's going to
be difficult to regain the force needed to

759
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:27.719
bring the city back to the policing
that they need in these neighborhoods that are

760
00:55:27.800 --> 00:55:31.280
underserved. Um and uh. And
they're not going to be able to hire

761
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:35.239
qualified people who I mean, who's
gonna want to be You know, you

762
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:39.079
can if you can find a different
job and not be uh cursed at or

763
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:47.079
leered at and shot yeah and shot
so um and have the governor pretty much

764
00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:51.159
throw you under the bus. Uh. I don't know if you saw his

765
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:59.480
tweet after uh juante rights death,
but it was pretty So that was that

766
00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:05.480
was pretty We have a situation now
in which narrative transcends facts. It is

767
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:07.480
not going to change. I think, if I mean, if if I

768
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:09.639
could, if I could propose any
solution that all we would take the same

769
00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:15.280
number of National Guard troops they're new
Washington, DC protecting defense over there and

770
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:20.480
deploy them to Minneapolis. Yeah.
It's funny. You know, the people

771
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:25.079
that cry for defunding the police all
have living gated communities and they have they

772
00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:30.880
to have their own protection. Absolutely. Yeah, um, you know.

773
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:32.760
And in meanwhile, in the city, for example, in George George Floyd

774
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:37.239
Square, which I went to a
couple of weeks ago. Um, you

775
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:39.760
know, you can walk in there, and residence and business owners can drive

776
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:44.840
in there. They're allowed, they're
allowed in by the gatekeepers. But it's

777
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:50.159
overwhelmingly being pulled. The people that
live there want it open. Um.

778
00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:55.000
You know, there's an escalating,
concentrated amount of violence in that square,

779
00:56:55.519 --> 00:57:04.159
and if a violent attack hers there, um, the police and EMTs aren't

780
00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:07.280
allowed in. They have to request
the victim to be taken out of the

781
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:12.440
square to be treated just dumbfounding,
and they can't investigate a crime. So

782
00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:17.679
it's it's pretty much just the wild
West on street violence steroids there. So

783
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:22.559
it's it's pretty uh, it's going
to be a daunting task. And the

784
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:25.639
same people we're going me for interrupting, but I feeling rant coming on and

785
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:30.719
I resist. I was just I
resist the urge. But the same people

786
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:35.599
that want to defund the police,
that have sections of their cities that are

787
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:37.800
that are just no man's land,
that can't even get to the victims of

788
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:42.199
crime, and aren't going to help
the people that are being attacked, are

789
00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:45.239
saying, by the way, room
are going to make inroads on your right

790
00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:50.840
to defend yourself as well. Yeah, it's there, makes perfect autonomous zone.

791
00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:53.199
Yeah, so it doesn't. It
makes no sense. They already have

792
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:58.039
a perfect example of what happens when
you need to defund the police or when

793
00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:01.320
you don't allow the police, and
yet they want to make that what Minneapolis

794
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:07.840
is. Yeah. Yeah, so
uh was a senator from Louisiana recently said,

795
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:10.719
So if they get their way,
whenever you're attacked or you fear for

796
00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:14.840
your life in my shooting at you
call a crackhead, because that's all that's

797
00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:19.239
going to be left. Well,
all right, that was uplifting. Um,

798
00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:22.119
you and your family, okay,
through all this hanging in there,

799
00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:28.519
we're hanging in there. So my
husband works in an office building that should

800
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:32.280
hold about five thousand people and he's
one of about a dozen that go into

801
00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:37.119
work. So it was quiet.
Yeah, it's quiet, but it doesn't

802
00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:44.559
bode well for the yeah, really
for the future of the workforce. In

803
00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:46.840
speaking of the future, you guys
have an addition to the family, I

804
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:50.880
mean, in addition to all the
dogs, right, yeah, so all

805
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:57.880
the way instead of another four hopefully
not four legged. But I mean,

806
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:00.800
I guess you never know. Oh
yeah, we're we would love no,

807
00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:05.480
no, yes, I'm just just
stopped that train of thought right there.

808
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:09.719
Would you bring it to a stop? Yeah, A little baby boys,

809
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:15.960
fantastic. I'm still I'm not insisting. I am in no position to do

810
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:19.039
that, but I was strongly urge
you to look at some good Cajun names.

811
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Boodreaup in Minnesota. Yes, yeah, Boodreau. It'd be great,

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it'd be great. Well, thank
you again for kind of giving us.

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I had no idea to think that
it was such a hellhole. Um,

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George Floyd's Square, that's like you
know, I've mentioned this before when I

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was driving an eighteen wheeler across country
and in any number of cities that I

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would go through, the most one
of the most violent streets in that city,

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ironically, tragically and ironically was named
after Martin Luther King, Junr.

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Who called for non violence. It's
this, yeah, anyway, so you

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guys day safe. You know,
if you want to get out of there,

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I know some good parts of the
country I can recommend, okay,

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and you don't, and you don't. It's not freezing all the time.

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Yes, this is saw snow falling
during the protest. Like you've got to

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be kidding. There's snow falling up
there still. Yeah. I mean,

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you know we're not out of the
woods till the end of May, so

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I know there's one more snowstorm coming. Yeah. So even this week we're

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supposed to get wintry mix. That's
our optimistic term for it. The summer

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last about a week and a half. Well, and this is good,

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you know in southern Minnesota is actually
not too bad. People you know in

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Duluf have it. I think what
the joke is the Twain said. Um

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Mark Twain said, the coldest winter
I ever spent was the summer I spent

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in Duluver. So yeah, I
can't complain. At least we get a

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month. That's pretty good. Oh
man, alrighty, well then stay warm

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and stay safe, please, and
thank you again for dropping in and letting

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the snow. What's going on?
Oh it's my positive. Thank you very

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much for having me. Always a
treat, Always treat folks. That's Jenna

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Stalker on the Day of Quitter program. Some podcasts shouldn't be tossed aside lightly.

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They should be thrown with great force
people jutting from Memphis, Tennessee.

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At the intersection of the spell binding
conversation and mischievous humor, your host Dave

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Carter brings you the exceptional audio visual
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events for irresistible analysis, playful laughs, and audaciously good music. It's the

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Jave Carter Show. How's that for
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Speaking of fun times, if you
enjoy the proceedings here today, it's been

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huge fun bringing all this to you, and I do hope that you found

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some things to think about today and
some things to laugh about as well.

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Even if you're laughing at the thinking
parts, that's okay, that's all fine.

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We all need a reason to giggle, whether it's with the host or

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at the host. You know,
that's all good. Now, If you've

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enjoyed this and are massochistically inclined to
want more of it than I would encourage

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you to go on over to my
little web so I'd at Dave Carter online

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dot com, where you'll find a
video version of this program and sizeable collection

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of articles I've written over the years, and some other stuff, some of

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which some of those articles predate even
my time at Ricochet. They were written

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from various places to across the globe
when I was in the military. There's

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also a page on the site called
the Inkwell, now that's why I write

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more introspective pieces. In fact,
I would a piece last week or perhaps

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the week before, called the Sum
of Our pet Peeves. It was more

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01:03:06.199 --> 01:03:09.880
of a lecture that I delivered to
myself, actually centering on the unfortunate tendency

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01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:15.199
on my part at least, so
let those things that annoy become the focus

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01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:21.480
of one's thought and attention. You
can wind up in a pretty bad sour

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place or with a dour disposition when
you do that, particularly if you work

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with the public, especially if you
work with the public in a retail setting

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for example. Anyway, you might
find that piece interesting, and who knows,

863
01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:38.360
you may identify with it to some
extent as well. The podcast is

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01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:42.920
doing really, really well. At
last count we are being heard in over

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one hundred and eighty cities and towns
across the country and then over thirty countries

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01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:52.599
around the world. And while I'm
on that topic, let me invite you

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also to head on over to iTunes
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like. They're a five star rating
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comments on what you thought of the
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as well. Subscribe there if you'd
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it on YouTube and you can chime
into the comments as well. On that

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venue. We're going to try and
pick up the pace of the show production

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here to the extent possible, consistent
with the day job. There are a

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lot of interesting people that want to
get on the program that we're lining up

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and bring to focus. Well,
we've got a rapidly changing situation in our

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country and in our world right,
and so we want to talk some more

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about that and mount some ideas off
of you and talk some interesting people and

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see what you think about all that
stuff. So, as I always say,

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with thanks to my friend Troy Senek
and Ricochet members Jenna Stalker, and

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with special thanks as always to you
the listener, I am Dave Carter.

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I'll see you next time. Thank
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