Betwixt Hope and Gloom

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Podcasting from Memphis, Tennessee, jes
As soldier, storyteller, historian, and

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maybe a bit of a hell raisers
and enjoy It's Dave Carter. You never

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worry, all right, if I
got all the buttons here right, make

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sure I'd know what the heck I'm
doing here. Well, to use a

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popular phrase, folks, has been
a minute since since I've been able to

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be with you. I'm delighted to
have you here, and we've been a

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lot of ground to cover. First
of all, I'm David Carter. Things

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have changed a little bit, but
it's a treat to have you here with

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us and joining in the services.
Today are the last podcast its way back

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in October, over three months ago. So has anything much happened since then?

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I can't remember. Of course,
a lot a lot has happened,

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and we will have a National Review
columnist and Ricochet co founder Rob Long joining

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us in a minute to set some
light on these things. But first,

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folks, I've missed talking to you, and it's been a while. I

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know, broadcasting, whether it's radio
or podcasting or anything like that, or

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even writing, I know many of
you who are watching or listening and who

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read the stuff but most of you
I don't know. But I do have

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this feeling that when I sit down
behind the mic, that i'm talking with

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a friend and I've missed I've missed
doing that. I'm going throughout my day

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of something odd happens, which is
roughly every other minute, it's something noteworthy

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takes place. I'm always wanting to
get back behind the microphone and talk to

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you about it, and so now
I have an opportunity to do that for

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the first time in a while.
So I'm very happy about that. Shortly

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after the last episode, you may
recall, I was just talking with Peter

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Robinson, and shortly after that episode, my computer and it simply died.

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It expired, it gave up the
ghost, and so that brought everything to

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a screeching halt. So what I
do now was hanging my second I've got

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to see it. All these damn
buttons. There we go. What I'm

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doing, I haven't a new iMac
and some great software from the folks at

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ECM Live that it's going to allow
me to do a video version of the

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podcast, so you'll be able to
watch this madness as well as listen to

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it. God help you, but
it's a lot of fun to do,

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but there's just a lot of stuff
that's been involved with it. I've got

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new cameras and different things, so
you'll be able to look behind the scenes,

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for example, when I'm yecking and
see what goes into the soundboard over

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here and all the two hundred and
thirty five different things on that than the

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iPad with all the sound effects.
Soon things loaded, so we can go

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do fun things like that. So
all that stuff is here and you can

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watch the program unfold and behind the
scenes as it all happens. A few

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weeks ago, I did a live
stream broadcast on Facebook, and I can

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do that now. I'll go live
stream and on different on different social media

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and Ricochet members spin Ousley, I
was watching the thing and he said,

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hey, stupid, look at the
camera every now and then talk to us,

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you know, And I'm just kidding. He didn't. He didn't say

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hey stupid. What he actually did
say was, um, he said you

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shouldn't look at the camera more mush
ed so, but he he had he

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had a point, right because doing
an audio event like I like I've been

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doing, you know, forever,
in the first radio and podcasting, I'm

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used to checking the equipment and looking
at the sound levels and adjusting this,

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and and stood looking at my notes
and trying to find a way to put

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these goofy thoughts together say something semi
coherent in the middle of all the dopey

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things running through my head. And
so I look all over the place while

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I'm trying to make all this happen. But that doesn't work so well when

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you're doing a visual experiment. So
when I do a live stream, then

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there's video bits that I play and
things of that nature. So it is

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primarily a visual experience. That's not
the case with the podcast. Podcast is

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like radio. It's primarily a listening
experience. And to that end, my

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focus on this show, of the
podcast version of it, at least we'll

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be on the listening end of it. And so I look at the camera

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every now and then, and if
you see the video of this thing,

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we've got graphics and all kinds of
cool stuff loaded up. Every now and

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then i'll be talking and something we'll
come across the street and the screen like

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it's doing right now that we'll show
you know what the website address is,

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and things of that nature. So
you can do some promos and stuff,

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and you'll be able to watch all
that and it'll be upon YouTube and other

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places too, So that'll be a
lot of fun. And every now and

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then I may bring you behind the
scenes to see how the production of the

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various audio bits that are in the
podcast, what happens with that, well,

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how we put together the Alphonse Fontine
bits or general Hatchet or Ross Perot

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sportscaster mark all the other mess and
see what happens with that. So that's

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gonna be a lot of fun going
forward. It's going to add a new

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dimension to a program that I thoroughly
enjoy anyway, and I hope they'll prove

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a more enjoyable experience for you guys
as well. So with that, we

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have a lot to talk about,
a lot to get to. So let's

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get down to it, shall we. So here's something that doesn't happen very

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often, because this is take two
of my chat with Rob Long. You

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know, the good thing about all
the system upgrades here is that it yields

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a lot of visual stuff us snazzy
graphics, videos of the interviews and things

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of that nature. The bad news
is that with what my grandpa Carter would

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have called that fancy ass equipment.
The opportunities for screwups are more plentiful here

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than on the text code, I
guess. But here we are, day

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after our initial conversation, and Rob
Long is again with its nice enough to

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throw a chance to the wind and
appear on the program here. You know

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Rob as the co founder of Ricochet. He was also the executive producer for

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the show Cheers, and he produced
some other great shows in Betweting Sullivan and

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Son Kevin kin Waite, among others. He writes for National Review. He's

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written in the Wall Street Journal,
Newsweek, La Times, among other venues.

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He's been numerous since apologies, no, numerous, numerous. I need

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coffee. He's made a lot of
appearances on It's like Foster Brooks on the

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Fox News. And he may have
seen his likeness on a milk carton or

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a piece of toast or you know
that a little that that flare of froth

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on the top of the latte.
He may have seen it. Yeah,

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right, we have seen him there. But Rob, thanks again man for

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being here on the show. We
can do it. I can do it.

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You know, I don't know why
you told people that we had a

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technical difficulties yesterday, most of them
would ever know. And so like you

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know, in my business, you
just never ever, you never ever mentioned

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your mistakes. Well, but for
me, if there's a possibility, just

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a little smidgen of hope, that
there's a comedic element to it, I'm

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going there, all right, I'm
going there. And someone some undescribed Grouchiel

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marks as someone who would insult the
king like the to Courtchester, insulting the

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king if he would get the peasants
to laugh us kind of you know,

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oh yeahs And that's exactly it's the
only way to be right. So h

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So, by the way, did
you get all that snow that they were

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predicting for New York City? I
know we talked yesterday you're supposed to get

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hammered. We got it. And
I'm like, if I stand, I

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tell him, tippy toes, it's
it's um. It warmed up a little

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bit this morning, so I can
see that the sidewalks are kind of clear

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and the roads are splashed sheet but
you know, the big avenues are clear.

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But you can tell we got hit
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you know, encased in that it
looks like the styrofoam that a toy car

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comes right right, right right,
yeah. Yeah. I'm obviously sit in

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the truck stops and I would be
snowed in and they just looked like they

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were entombed the layer of white there. So the guys do the snowblower on

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the on the sidewalk, the snow
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a choice, like everything right,
you either missed the cars or you missed

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the cars one of one of the
others. So well, as I mentioned

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yesterday, Rob's mentioned, Rob's mentioned
mission, Oh lord, just gonna be

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good. It's mission today is to
talk me out of a sense of despondency

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that I've been in since the election, worsened by the loss of the Senate

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and the realization that some probably rotten
things are happening and it's gonna get worse.

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But I'm gonna come out of a
different a different way. Because I

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was reading and one of our members
at Ricochet, Jenna Stalker. She's an

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extraordinarily gifted writer. She also writes
of the Federalist Now too, and she

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summed up how a great many of
us on the right now feel with respect,

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I guess you'd call it the governing
elite, and that's what it feels

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like. Now. So let me
see if I can pull that up on

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here. No, I can't.
There it is yeah, okay, she

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wrote quote, They, meaning the
governing elite, cannot come to terms that

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they have any responsibility for creating that
which they despise. Not Trump, but

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people who are uncontent with being led
by the nose to self destruction. The

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consolation prize for losing power to influence
your life is being branded a bigot,

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white supremacist and in need of deep
programming. Again, that's Jenna Stalker.

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So Rob, what do you say
to folks who are very concerned that we're

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in for a radical change in policies
and they fear that the these policies will

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be destructive to the point that they
could do irreversible damage. Well, I

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mean, I think that's partly I
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wrong. I mean, I think
this this this past year, I mean,

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just the pandemic has been discovered is
that people will tell us things they

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want because they worried about the way
we might react to the truth. Right.

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That's always a bad idea, Right, It's always a bad idea to

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be telling people's stuff just because you
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and the irony courses that most Americans
are like, just give me the truth.

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I'll handle it. Like you know, most Americans are pretty normal.

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You know that. It's it's part
of my attempt these days to see everything,

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everything that happens in psychoanalytic Freudian terms
right leads on TV in a new

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spacey. We're a very divided nation. We're a very polarized nation. And

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yet you go around you meet people
like not really not really like people disagree

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in you know, the Starbucks of
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Your family's all this the screaming and
yelling at the at the at Thanksgiving table

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is supposed to happen. It doesn't
really happen. We're actually the most people

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are pretty well adjusted. People on
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right, because that's what bits them
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channels who are screaming and yelling and
talking about how at the end of the

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world, they're the ones who are
sort of polarized. The rest of Americans

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are fine. So so I take
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he's right. I don't think anything's
irreversible, especially if you I think if

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you decouple what happened in November from
Trump, and there's a lot of evidence

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to suggest that we should do that, and a lot of evidence from Trump's

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own campaign. His own campaign manager
issued just the other day, what an

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issue, but it was leaked the
other day, his report, his post

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mortum pretty interesting. If you decouple
Trump, what you have is a surprising

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success for Republicans in a year in
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the Senate to stay Republican anyway,
picked up seats in the House, had

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a strong turnout. People didn't like
him, so they basically surgically removed him

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from the from government. That's true. I mean Nancy Pelosi held on by

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a layer of hairspray basically, right, yeah, right, And that's a

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tiny little layer, right, absolutely
foundation And it was you know, when

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when you look at what happened in
Georgia, that was that was Trump.

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That was a Trump referent on Trumpet
shouldn't have been. Okay, he's gone

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now. I think the people who
didn't like him, it's it's incombing upon

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them now to shut up, it's
over. Move on. And the people

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who did like him, it's incoming
upon them to shut up, and it's

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over and move on. And I
think if we can move on, then

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we can focus on all the other
nonsense that the liberals and the Democrats will

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try to pull. But if we're
still fighting about you know, oh,

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I think the dominion voting machines ring. Right, Yeah, that's that's done.

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That's that's what they want. The
other side wants that, they want

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a civil war because then it's much
easier to defeat us. That's going to

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be a choice we have to make
ither we're ready for, ready to like

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because in the past, whenever it's
come down to issues like this, we've

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done really well, right, I
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yeah, I mean we've got history
on our side. Yeah, we

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even have we even have Democrats who
are conservative. I mean, Joe Mansion

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is a pretty good senator. He's
kind of an ally for Republicans and you

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know, basically on our side on
a lot of issues. I mean,

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these are good things, these are
good signs. Um, So are you

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feeling better? I'm getting there?
I mean I do I do tend to

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to generalize and put everything under a
huge umbrella, which isn't always fair because

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if you do look at specifically at
the house, did I did you go

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to sleep with um the Oh my
god. But yeah, we look at

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the house for you know, it
was we did really well. They thought

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we would lose seats, and we
gained a great mini seats. So and

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of course the states themselves remain uh, pretty pretty well in Republican hands,

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which made me to the point that
Peter Robinson made on the show just prior

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to the election, and he was
outlining the possible repercussions about what would happen

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if the Democrats won the White House
and the Senate, and that began my

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despondency. But he said that in
such an eventuality believe the Republicans the option

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of going into a sort of guerrilla
warfare, if you will, to go

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back to localism, to the state
houses, local governments, to establish a

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sort of I guess, a sort
of buffer between the sovereignty of the individual

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and an overreaching federal of state.
So this that seemed like a viable option

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to you. Yeah, but I
would even reframe it. It's not guerilla

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warfare. It's constitutional government. It's
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We you know, our problem is
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I don't know if it's ours,
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A big problem that the right has
today is that it watches too much Fox

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News, and not because Fox News
tells them things. I'm not I'm not

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criticizing it as as a news channel. It's just that it gives you this

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sense that the most important thing is
what's going on at the top. The

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most important thing is what Tucker says
to President Trump, and that is not

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the way the government works. And
the other side has known this for thirty

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or forty or fifty years, and
they have managed to put in rack up

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huge gains over forty fifty years,
kind of on school boards and on city

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councils and in mayor mayor's offices and
in the state houses. And that's really

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that's what's kept them alive after espousing
a series of policies that you know,

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basically people don't agree with. Right
So imagine if you were doing that and

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you kind of were normal, Imagine
how much work you could get done.

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And we know we have a Supreme
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it. So I think this is
the best possible time for us to redirect

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your energies and actually get something done, assuming the Supreme Court stays in his

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current configuration. Yeah, but you
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good majority there now. And they
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tend to defer to. No,
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on the Supreme Court and oh yeah, I mean, but the truth is

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that that if you really do the
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it's state by state rather than population
centers, So the Senate has like biased

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towards Republicans these days. Um,
my guess is that he won't do it.

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it, because it's a matter of
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a republic and said it and then
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great at great great and make great
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to hathen, but it doesn't stop
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I didn't plan on asking this.
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with what the federal government does,
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have even been ment Romney that said
that his goal was to make the federal

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government as inconsequential as possible. I
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well, I always said his relationship
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idea. So what do you make
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the voices, you know, what
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of the Convention of States movements to
try to defang the federal government with that

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without even having them in the process, as having the states convene their own

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convention for the purposes of introducing specific
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things of that nature. I mean
that came out of nowhere, it didn't

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it. It's in there, right, I mean, it's a there's a

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process for it. I think,
you know, amending the Constitution these days

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for some reason, and somebody explained
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mean, there's a period of like
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short period of time where there are
constitutional amendments all the time, Like there's

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constant amendments left and right, you
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um, and now we haven't done
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I feel like we're just we I
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women the vote, we're like,
hey, wait a minutes, so we

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got to slow down. I think
it was the vote and we outlawed drinking,

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so like that was it not a
good drink of that? But I

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think the ear a kind of kind
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taste and that kind of thing too. But I don't know, Yeah,

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I think so it didn't seem procedural
and don't seem like it was a trojan

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horse. I mean say this for
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I mean it wasn't turned out,
it wasn't final, but there's prohibition.

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h Well, speaking of of emanations
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lot of us I presume, I
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too? Refer to President Obama as
president pen and phone, because if he

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is a propensity to ride one executive
order after another, if you can't get

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it done. Even said that he
couldn't do enact the Dream Act because it

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would would be unconstitutional for him to
do it as the chief executive, after

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which point he did exactly that.
So now I think the tally that last

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I heard yesterday in less than two
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signed forty two executive orders. He's
going to need some inquiry fills pretty soon

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here. What do you make of
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a matter of him reversing things or
is he really staking some new territory in

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executive power? Well, I mean
he might be. I mean, who

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knows. I mean that this is
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um, I mean, I don't
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that he's got a honeymoon, so
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they're scared to get as much done
as I can before two years are up,

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solidify as much of their games as
possible. That could be. But

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all of the lasting legislation that really
matters has to go through the machine,

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right, I mean, the we
don't. We may not like the way

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that sausage is made, how the
sausage legislation is made, but it is

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how the system works, and the
system's designed so that you get like basically

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you get the C plus version of
whatever it is you wanted. You don't

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really get the A plus version because
you got to go and talk to the

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Senator from somewhere and a five congressman
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to do all this dealing. And
that is the way. It was a

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design because that like let some steam
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all of these executive orders. Unfortunately, and I don't know, I think

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it probably did start with Obama really, but there also was this attitude I

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think under George W. Bush.
The idea is somehow that all of these

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other people in government, constitutional government
are just kind of hindrances, and what

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the people really voted for when they
voted for Joe Biden was for him just

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to take over and do everything right. And that is absolutely not the case,

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and that is there's no evidence of
that. People vote for for people.

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The American voters make his strategic votes
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he's gonna pay. I hope he
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I hope so. Um And getting
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resist this, but you've got the
deplazzio Cuomo our ores that I do.

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I thought I saw somewhere that one
of those nut jobs got got an Emmy

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award. I think it may have
been Cuomo for for screwing up and putting

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uh of COVID patients in with the
extremely vulnerable, with the nursing homes,

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and bad things happened. Then he
didn't want to talk about it. But

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oh yeah, oh yes, I
mean certainly he had a performance. I

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mean that's okay. Well he did
it all the beginning of the year and

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then and now now it's revealed like
it was an article in the I don't

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know. I think it's the Times
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that they've been lying about the number. Yeah, they've been saying, well,

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you know that he sent people back
to the address times, they got

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COVID, the God's sake, they
went to the hospital, they died in

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the hospital, and he's saying that
they weren't residence of arrestaurant. They were,

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and he sent them back and you
and you and you're seeing this this

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guy like the other day, yesterday, the day before he said, I

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don't trust experts I'm smarter than the
experts. Now, who does that mean?

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Right? Yeah, right, we
have all the experts, but I'm

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yeah, yeah, I know more
about this than they know. Okay,

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okay, doctor, well maybe well
I just it amazes me that the voters

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don't punish these people more often than
they do or is just new? Is

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New York just a hopeless case?
And electorally? I don't think it's new.

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I mean I think I mean I
look at New York and California,

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and they have the two worst government
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in the country, incredibly rich.
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the New York City is the financial
and cultural capital of the world. You

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can make that argument. California has
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those are disasters. Why is that? And I don't know, And I

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think, well, there's a bunch
of reasons. Right, one of them

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they're all liberal. But the second
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attention to state and local government that
much. They really don't. Um in

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California, most Republicans in California,
and there are a lot of them,

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by the way, there just aren't
as many. Uh, they just think

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you if you, if you get
a Republican in California, bet him a

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thousand dollars that he can't name a
state assemblyman because he probably can't same here,

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and that this this lets the liberals
do whatever they want. Wow,

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And but then then they leave.
I know, I sound like a like

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an old goose sitting on his front
portown of kids go off the damn one.

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But then they leave and they go
to places like Florida, and they

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get away from the incredible burden of
taxation and regulatory regimes. And they get

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down to Florida and they say,
well, let's vote for the same kind

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of stuff. Oh, totally right, totally. I mean, luckily Florida

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holds the line. So does Texas. UM. But you know, I

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can think of some people in Tennessee
who should be a little bit aware that,

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like a lot of people are moving
to Nashville. Was there Tennessee voters?

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Oh, I know, I think
Tennessee is going to be safe.

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But but I you know, I
have friends who live in Austin and they

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were or in Dallas and they see
people come from California. The first thing

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they do is complain that it's not
like California. Well that was the point,

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right, Yeah, I used to
say, and I lived I lived

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in the Panhandle, Florida. I
used to say that the further south that

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you went in Florida, the further
north you go. That's true, that's

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exactly. The reactions changed, the
driving habits change. Oh my god,

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it's like anyway, I still have
you know, like, uh, post

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traumatic stress from driving an eighteen wheeler
in New England. Oh my gosh,

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that's we're bad. Good attitudes and
good driving records both go to die.

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My my grandfather was a Bostonian and
then spent most of his life sort of

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living abroad and in kind of crazy
places in Africa and Mexico. And he

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was living in the nineteen fifties and
sixties in Paris, and he was doing

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mining in Africa and French Equatorial Africa
and um and people he would drive in

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Paris and people say, my god, I mean, how did you learn

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to drive so well in Paris?
I learned to drive in Boston. That's

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rights of the worst. So that
he was he was not intimidated by anybody's

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driving. Yeah. True. I
used to say that when driving in New

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York, they're going to go where
they want to go, when if you're

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in the way, it's just too
bad in Boston Panhandle. Speaking of the

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Panhandle, just to go back to
that, we're going what happens when people

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in New York and in California discover
how beautiful the Panhandle is. Don't don't,

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don't no, no, but no, because when I when I get

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it, when I get out of
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more likely than not going to be
in the pant No, no, please

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please, I'm going to edit that
part out, Okay, I mean it

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is like, you go down there, you're like, well, why why

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isn't this a bigger deal? The
only problem is that the traffic, the

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tourist traffic folks come down from Alabama
and they go, you know, twenty

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miles an hour in the left lane
with a turn signal on. And then

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the Canadians come down to the Panhandle, they get in the left lane and

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stop, They're done. It's just
because my theory is they were trying to

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They came down there at the age
of eighteen, they started on their trip

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down there, they got lost.
By the time they get there, they're

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my age. You're looking for the
blueplate special. Then they're just basically pissed

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off, and so they go back
to Canada. Right, you're there,

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Yeah, this is why this is
why people leave Canada. Yeah, I

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was. I was years ago.
We were driving in Panama City and there

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was a Canadian in the left lane. This is in June, though,

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I said, because they're call them
snowbirds because they come down there in the

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wind. I said, what are
they still doing here? And the person

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in the carver said that they're still
trying to find their way back home.

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Maybe maybe that was it? Um, So okay, So the last couple

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of questions, But going back to
politics or one horrible god for second minute.

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So your counsel to individual folks on
the right who may be understandably,

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as you say, concern for what
is happening and what's about to happen.

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What can they do at this point
just write it out or lobby or what's

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what? Well? I mean,
you know you you you should. I

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think you should. I think you
should try to rebuild the winning coalition.

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Uh, take your lumps. Learn
what we can from November for real,

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like really like learn it's not it
won't be pleasant for a lot of people.

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But it is. It's the true
learn it and you can only succeed

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in the future if you learn what
happened in November. And what happened November

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is pretty obvious to a lot of
people. Right, he lost men,

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he lost white men, he lost
the white suburbs. That's what he did.

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Um, how do you get him
back? Well, you get him

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back by not being a jerk,
by a little bit of politics, by

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finding candidates or district who are even
if it's an all all blue district,

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finding candidates who can run and can
give the person a run. It's the

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House and the Senate for us for
a while. The presidentcy, he'll take

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care of itself. We don't have
to worry about it. I would,

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That's what I would really do.
And it just turn your brain off and

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don't think about the White House if
that is not something that you can do.

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00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:22.960
But you can have an effect on
the Senate. You can't have an

408
00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:26.200
effect on the House. And that's
the whole ball game. And you you

409
00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:32.039
mentioned yesterday. I think it just
also focus on the issues, Yeah,

410
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:34.480
because that's where we win, right, Like, that's the most amazing thing

411
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:40.680
I see. I feel like like
Obama was a personally extremely popular president one

412
00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:44.400
fifty three percent of the popular vote, huge, huge victory in two thousand

413
00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:47.279
and eight. He won so many
votes in two thousand and eight that when

414
00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:51.000
he lost votes in twenty twelve,
he's still won. Right. That's that's

415
00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:53.119
rich. Right, He's so rich
that if he loses a billion dollars,

416
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:57.599
he's still rich. And but people
don't let the policies. So we lost

417
00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:02.599
the House, lost the Senate.
Trump the other way. People like the

418
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:07.279
policies, right him. Yeah,
well go back to policies. Okay,

419
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:11.640
if that makes sense. So last
question, but I know you had your

420
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:15.000
little experience with COVID here recently.
So how you doing how you get alone?

421
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:18.839
Well, thank you, I'm doing
very well. Like I Luckily for

422
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:22.079
me, I got COVID the whole
family out of in Texas, so we

423
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:25.359
got, you know, all the
alternative medicines. I say, I got

424
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:27.559
a like A, I got a
limited modified TRUMP, I got a steroids

425
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:32.759
thought at a Z pack, And
I got the hydroxy chloroquinn my brother got.

426
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:36.240
He was a little later on me
in the process that he got ivermectin.

427
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:38.160
Just these are I mean, you
know, you can google these and

428
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:41.599
people say don't just outrage it.
But it works. Yeah, I don't

429
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:42.960
know if it worked. I don't
know if it worked or not. I

430
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:47.759
just know that I mild symptoms,
you know, a couple three days of

431
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:49.640
like walking around slow, and then
a week a week and a half of

432
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:53.200
being tired but basically fine. It
seems to me as a layman that so

433
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:57.519
much of how it affects people depends
on their pre existing health. Because as

434
00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:00.559
a lady that's younger than both of
us that I knew very well, I

435
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:06.559
worked with and just a week or
so ago she passed away and she was

436
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:10.279
in her she was in her early
fifties, so I mean, and then

437
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:14.000
by the same token, my wife's
uncle is ninety five. He got it

438
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:17.960
and they gave him the full Trump
I guess you could say, uh,

439
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:22.759
you know trump straight and within a
day or two he was walking the lapse

440
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:26.200
with a little walker around the nurses
station. And now he's out cutting grass.

441
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:29.599
You know. It's just insane.
So you just never know. Yeah,

442
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:30.480
yeah, I mean, that's the
thing. It's like, we don't

443
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:34.400
know that much about it, but
um, but people tend to f you

444
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.359
know, like, what are you
more interested in except your life? And

445
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:42.720
people tend to be careful if they
kind of know they need to be careful,

446
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:45.119
and that's I think, you know, we didn't really need ay tell

447
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.799
us that. Well, right,
well, folks, that's Rob. Thank

448
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:52.880
you very much, by the way. I appreciate it's been a lot of

449
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:56.559
fun, and I'm glad you're doing
healthy and doing well. And Ricochet's still

450
00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:59.279
do it, still banging it out, doing a good job. So all

451
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:03.680
right, well, folks, that's
Rob Long on the Dave Carter National Review

452
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:07.000
Artists in Cartoonist Roman again, who's
on the line. When you look at

453
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:12.680
someone and you're going to do a
caricatures, there are certain the things that

454
00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:17.400
you will emphasize in the drawing,
whether it's the nose or the ears or

455
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.440
whatever. It just pops out at
you from the first time you see them,

456
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:22.400
or do you have to puzzle over
it and figure out how you're going

457
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.680
to make them into a cartoon figure. No, it's a curse. You

458
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:32.559
look at people, You just do
you look. Speakers are making a funny

459
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:36.880
sound. You're listening to the Dave
Carter Show. When I was in Security

460
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:41.519
Forces training, we worked alongside and
trained alongside marine MPs. They were I

461
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.359
mean, they were the funniest group
of people I've ever seen. Number One.

462
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.200
The humor is just great. But
man, I'm glad they're on our

463
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:51.119
side too, you know. I
mean it was they're a cohesive team,

464
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:55.680
and like you said, it applies
across all the different enforces branches. I

465
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:57.359
mean, these folks are bright,
they know what they're doing. They're glad

466
00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:02.240
to be there and glad to be
serving their country. So well, all

467
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:04.319
the conversations, because somebody asked,
so, what did you talk about?

468
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:14.039
All the conversations are both so this. You know, you find what you

469
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.119
know? You know, what kind
of was on the slope? What kind

470
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:22.519
of the dollar been laughed? When? When you know? When when you

471
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.200
I can't I can't use the bleak
button all that much? Now, oh

472
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:38.680
you can't. I'm sorry. That's
okay. Oh Roman Again, as you

473
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:42.079
can tell, he's a very hesitant
person when it comes to making his opinions

474
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:45.640
known. Uh, he came here
from the former Soviet Union. He's a

475
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:48.119
gifted artist, and we're gonna have
him on the program here in the next

476
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:52.839
couple of weeks, I hope.
And how about Rob Long was it wasn't

477
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:56.839
it great? I mean, he
and I probably agree on a great deal

478
00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:04.119
more uh than the areas in which
our opinions diverge. But he's incredibly persuasive,

479
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:08.400
and it really does help to have
someone on our side politically who can

480
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:13.640
look around and say, you know, guys, the sky isn't falling,

481
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:16.759
you know, as comforting. I
mean, he may be delusional, but

482
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:21.400
it is comforting, and I think
we would do well to take his suggestions

483
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:25.000
to heart. So you're liking the
conversation here, are you enjoying watching how

484
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:29.079
all this stuff comes together from behind
the scenes. If you're watching the video

485
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:34.519
version, you see the soundboard here. It's a Mackey pro FX eighty with

486
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.680
sound equalizer and crap in it.
And then I've got the iPad here with

487
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.880
all the sound effects loaded in.
So it's a lot of fun. And

488
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:45.920
if you're wondering, you've probably see
me drinking this coffee and I'm not being

489
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:47.480
paid. You know, they don't
have to pay me. It's just good

490
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:52.839
stuff. But it's it's called Black
Rifle Coffee Company, and it's veteran own

491
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:58.000
and operated. I got a buddy
mind that was a drill instructor of drill

492
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:00.000
sergeant in the Marine Corps and he
said, I believe. He said that

493
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:04.000
they are located in Savannah, Georgia, where he lives. This really good

494
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:07.799
coffee. I gave a cup of
it to the guy that I worked with

495
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.359
in my daytime, my day job. He couldn't go to sleep till three

496
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:15.200
thirty the next morning. You can
drink this stuff and drive to work and

497
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:17.000
never even start your car. You
know, it's just that good. So

498
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:22.640
you know, you can go to
black Rifle dot black Riflecoffee dot com and

499
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:24.960
check it out. It tastes good, it keeps you awake. You'll be

500
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:28.000
so wake you won't be able to
blink, and it'll grow hair on your

501
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:30.640
teeth. It's good for you.
Hey, if you like what you're hearing

502
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:34.519
today, well, first of all, counselors are standing by they can help

503
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:37.240
you. But otherwise, check out
some of the other offerings on the Ricochet

504
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:40.480
Audio network. The Ricochet Flagship podcast
features Rob Long, who we just heard

505
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:45.200
from him, along with a former
Ronald Reagan speech writer Peter Robinson. Columnist

506
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:49.720
James Lilac is on there every time
and they do a great job and have

507
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:54.240
on some of the best newsmakers and
best minds around today. Andrew cleaven has

508
00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:58.559
a has a has a podcast as
well. Former Secretary of Education Bill Bennett

509
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:01.079
has a show commentary magazine as a
show. I mean, there's something literally

510
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:06.200
for everybody on the Ricochet Audio network, so go check it out. Now,

511
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:08.360
Let's say, as a rule,
if you want to comment on the

512
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:14.039
podcast or comment on the main feed
post that you see, you want to

513
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:15.480
read or comment on posts on the
members side of the wall, then you

514
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:19.280
pay four and a half bucks a
month to do that. Okay, So

515
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.800
if you spend fifty cents more per
month, then you can write and publish

516
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:27.000
your own articles and let the whole
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517
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dot com. So here's an idea. Let's say you're just not sure about

518
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whether or not you want to pony
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519
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to do all this. I got
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520
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to ricochet dot com slash gumbo.
That's right, ricochet dot com slash gumboat.

521
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:45.239
Since it's kid from Louisiana, it's
got to have that kind of a

522
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:50.039
link to it. You get a
free thirty day trial at Ricochet. So

523
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.039
go take a look. Kick the
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524
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:54.800
to do and see what it's even
like it. And if you do,

525
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:59.239
then after your thirty day trial,
four and a half bucks gets you in

526
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:04.559
the door, held over to ricochet
dot com slash Gumbo Gumbo and you two

527
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:20.800
can join the conversation. It's not
that he has a sense of hume.

528
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:30.559
It's that a sense of humor has
it's decorder. Well, a great many

529
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.880
things as in a sense of humor
and a I don't know. I was

530
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.719
amused as a child. So I
found over the last year or so of

531
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:42.639
interviewing various Ricochet members, a couple
of things. Actually, First, these

532
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:45.800
good people come from every walk of
life. We've got doctors, guys who

533
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:51.320
lay cement, cops, lawyers,
folks in retail, truckers, you name

534
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.559
it. And to a person,
they all have some things in common like

535
00:35:54.679 --> 00:36:00.800
a naturally inquisitive spirit and ability to
communicate in an engaging way in writing,

536
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:04.159
in in person, a passion for
this country. And they're absolutely delightful to

537
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:07.880
get to know. And that includes
my friend Jenna Stalker, who joins us

538
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:09.760
today. Now, Jenna has been
on the program a few times. She's

539
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:14.639
in Minneapolis, which means she's been
living in mad Max territory for some some

540
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:17.800
months now, and it also means
that she's freezing. More likely than not,

541
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:22.800
she's freezing her vital statistics off up
there in the cold. I'm debating

542
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:27.400
whether or not to let her know
that the borders are open and she doesn't

543
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.159
have to endure all that. But
you know, we'll see Jenna as a

544
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:32.239
prolific writer on Ricochet, one of
the best writers on the side if you

545
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:36.559
ask me. She also writes over
at The Federalist and the work is simply

546
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:38.440
amazing. She's a Marine Corps veteran. She was a researcher at the Center

547
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:43.599
for Security Policy think tank in Washington, DC, and now she resides in

548
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:47.559
the aforementioned deep freeze in Minnesota with
her husband, who is a Coastguard veteran.

549
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:52.239
Don't have that right, that's right, and they live here, you

550
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:55.519
go and they live half ever after
with a it's a pack of dogs you

551
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:59.480
have in the house, is that
right? Yeah, we have three dogs,

552
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:02.639
so keeps us busy, keeps us
warm, I guess. Thank god.

553
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:06.920
Yeah. Well, first of all, thank you for taking the time

554
00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:09.039
to appear on the program this morning. I really appreciate you. I really

555
00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:14.320
appreciate this. This is fun and
good morning, and thank you for being

556
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:16.840
here now. As you can see, I'm not as well organized today as

557
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:20.920
I might otherwise be because of all
this crazy stuff that I'm trying to get

558
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:24.159
done here. But um I want
to, by the way, folks,

559
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:27.760
since I'm disjointed here, if you
want to get in on all this fun

560
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:30.239
and I have to have a chance
of even of being on the show being

561
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:35.360
interviewed by somebody who obviously needs more
coffee to form his sentences. You never

562
00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:39.159
know. I mentioned a minute ago
about that link ricochet dot com slash gumbo,

563
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:43.079
which will get you a free thirty
day a trial of this thing and

564
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:45.119
then you join the fun, and
you never know, you may be and

565
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:49.400
on here as well. So Jenna, first of all, I give you

566
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:51.920
a heads up. I think that
I was going to use that poor quote

567
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:55.000
from you in my chat with Rob
Long. I'm going to read it again

568
00:37:55.519 --> 00:38:00.360
with your indulgence, just to kind
of set the stage here. And what

569
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:04.679
you wrote was they cannot come that
you were talking about the governing elite.

570
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:07.599
I believe you said they cannot come
to terms that they have any responsibility for

571
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:13.920
creating that which they despise not Trump, but people who were uncontent with being

572
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:17.199
led by the nose to self destruction. The consolation prize for losing power to

573
00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:22.119
influence the way you choose to live
your life is being branded a bigot white

574
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:30.199
supremacists, and the need of deprogramming
that. Was there a particular event that

575
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:32.159
prompted that observation, No, No, it was part of a thread that

576
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:35.440
you had with a lot of other
things in there. That was just the

577
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:38.840
one thing that really jumped out.
Or was it just an overall sinking feeling

578
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:42.559
in the pit of your stomach or
you know what kind of what kind of

579
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:45.880
what brought that out? Well,
it was a little bit of a combination

580
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:54.320
of the inauguration. You're President Biden
really emphasized his definition of unity, which

581
00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:00.199
pretty much was my way or the
highway if he asked me, and it

582
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:08.760
was, uh, you know,
I think more of a warning that the

583
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:15.760
old guard is back in town.
And I think a lot of Republican elites

584
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:20.519
welcome that with open arms as well. They're used to having their way and

585
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.760
the people being content with the policies
that they put in place, even though

586
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:29.119
over the past few decades it's really
led to a lot of rot in our

587
00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:34.199
cities. You know, take Detroit, Minneapolis has been I mean, it's

588
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:37.320
it's a case study in how not
to govern. Um. But you know,

589
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:42.880
the minority groups are really suffering.
It's it's it's people that don't that

590
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:45.440
make the rules, that don't have
to live by the rules, but expect

591
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:51.280
every other person to to abide without
question. Yeah, that's really kind of

592
00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:54.199
what I was getting at. And
I talked to rob Long I gave him

593
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:58.239
that quote, and he tended to
agree with you. H. He didn't

594
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.559
necessarily think things think that things are
quite as dire as I certainly have been

595
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:12.119
feeling of. Should come to Minneapolis
really vacation? Yeah, yeah, feel

596
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:15.639
the burn right. Um. Now
for his part, Peter Robinson, last

597
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:19.760
time I talked to him, counseled
us to if things I've interviewed him in

598
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:22.119
October prior to the election, and
he said, if things go the way

599
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:25.000
we don't want them to go when
they win the White House and the Senate,

600
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:30.599
that we're looking at a possibility of
one party rule into the foreseeable future

601
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:35.400
and all that pretends for your city
in a lot of other places. So

602
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:39.880
he suggested that we focus on local
government, city government, state government,

603
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:45.280
and local issues in the idea of
being to establish a buffer, if you

604
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:50.639
will, between the individual and the
local community and this federal leviathan. That's

605
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:53.840
that's that's wanting to reach into every
facet of our lives. Obviously, that

606
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:59.599
would play out better in some cities
than others. I'm thinking Minneapolis, where

607
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:02.119
it is a basket case. But
overall, I mean, do you think

608
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:06.719
that that sort of approach is a
viable option. I think it is,

609
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:15.719
But I think it's it's a matter
of convincing, convincing people to take a

610
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:19.880
chance on something that they're that's outside
their comfort zone that they you know,

611
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:22.639
it's kind of the devil you know, versus the devil you don't. And

612
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:24.320
you know, as far as Minneapolis, you know, it's been run by

613
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:30.000
Democrats up and down for decades.
And the schools system, we pour so

614
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:36.400
much money, one of the highest
states to pour in money, both both

615
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:42.119
statewide and federal, yet our our
test scores are below fifty percent consistently,

616
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:47.360
especially in Minneapolis and Saint Paul h
And it's kind of a misnomer that Minneapolis

617
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:52.039
is such great schools um but really, and then if you add into the

618
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:57.440
defund the police movement, which the
citizens are actually revolting against because it's going

619
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:00.760
to ask about a murdered in the
streets. Just the other day, we

620
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:05.320
had a young lady who's a mother, who is pregnant, was murdered in

621
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:09.719
her house. Um. Another triple
homicide. A boyfriend killed her, killed

622
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:16.000
his girlfriend and their three children,
all under you know, um, eighteen

623
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:20.639
years old. So it's very sad
um and it just kind of the cycle

624
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:23.400
continues. These people don't value the
lives in their cities, and it um

625
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:30.400
shows in missed opportunities. And also
you see these cities that are rotting from

626
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:34.440
within you You you see the people
that leave, but you don't see the

627
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.639
people that never come here in the
first place. They bypass. Minneapolis really

628
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:40.639
is a headquarters. I mean we
best buy Target, I mean those uh

629
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:45.360
General mills, a lot of opportunity. But you know, taxes are atrocious,

630
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:50.400
crime skyrocketing, so they're going to
go to Iowa or North Dakota or

631
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:53.159
South Dakota, Wisconsin. So yeah, the disconnect is if you're if you're

632
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:59.280
paying through the nose for tax in
taxes and yet you're not safe and you're

633
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:04.039
living it, you live in some
post apocalyptic landscape. I mean, what's

634
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:07.320
the point in paying taxes, what's
the point in being there? Well,

635
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:10.079
and I think too, you know, people need to realize that they don't

636
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:19.920
have to buy into being dependent on
the government for their destiny. For uh,

637
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:24.119
you know, they can control the
school board, they have to show

638
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:29.320
up to meetings. I think that's
maybe where Peter Robinson was was coming from.

639
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:30.719
You know, you look at what
they just came out with a new

640
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:37.000
uh civics I guess social studies program
in Minneapolis, and you know they're emphasizing

641
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:44.559
the anti racism and and uh,
you know these racist manifestos instead of real

642
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:47.320
education that's going to provide opportunities for
people, and I think they're starting to

643
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:52.199
see it in the streets. So
um, I think the more local leaders

644
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:55.199
that can talk to individuals on the
street and connect with them, I think

645
00:43:55.239 --> 00:44:00.880
the better show up at school board
meetings and and see some meetings, which

646
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:05.920
is hard right now because you know, yeah, right, lockdowns and that.

647
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:09.320
So and that kind of ties into
something that rob was saying earlier that

648
00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:15.960
we tend to win when we focus
on issues. And so when people see

649
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:21.559
their their city, their home,
their hometown falling apart, coming apart the

650
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:24.719
scenes, and people are just slaughtering
each other. They want answers, and

651
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:28.440
that the answers are We're going to
defund the people who are going to protect

652
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:31.320
you. Enough people hopefully will say, gee, that's not a really good

653
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:35.119
idea. I need to protection,
I need it, I need the You

654
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:39.159
know, the politicians can build walls
around their buildings, but we're left vulnerable.

655
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:43.239
Right. Yeah. They had the
National Guard out a week ahead of

656
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:49.239
time before the inauguration guarding the Saint
Paul Capital, and they would let Minneapolis

657
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:52.159
burn for three days before they did
anything. Right, So who is lives

658
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:57.719
do they value? It's just disgusting. Does the name Thomas Moseley ring a

659
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:00.920
bell with you? Yes, local
guard. I saw a story this morning.

660
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:07.320
Actually he's a he's a violent rioters. He's been bailed out twice by

661
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:14.480
the Minnesota Freedom Fund and he's arrested
the exactly she hurt. Kamala Harris has

662
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:17.960
been very very much involved in that
fund. And his most recent charge with

663
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:22.400
three counts of a fifth degree possession
of a control substance while in possession of

664
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:27.920
a firearm. I mean he's done
some wonderful things right he was. You

665
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:34.039
see, he was granted an unconditional
release on the property damage from a pre

666
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.719
from his first incident, and the
Minnesota Freedom fun Fosts posted his five thousand

667
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:42.719
dollars bail. Then he was among
five people charged with second degree riot after

668
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:45.880
a New Year's Eve incident in downtown
Minneapolis. His bail in that case was

669
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:51.920
said, it's sixty thousand, and
Kamala Harris's friends in the Minnesota Freedom Fund

670
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.360
got him out for that. And
now he's been arrested again. And this

671
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:58.440
kind of thing happens over and over
again. So not only did they protect

672
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:02.480
themselves, but they release the people, the predators back into the community with

673
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:07.320
you folks and and us two here
in Memphis and say hey, good luck.

674
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:09.880
Yeah, and then and then,
uh, you know, you have

675
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:15.239
kids that are are not in school
and they don't have the means to get

676
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:21.199
internet access because schools are closed,
and we have juvenile delinquency is at all

677
00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:25.920
time highs. We've got carjackings by
kids as young as twelve years old out

678
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:30.920
in the streets and it's just us. It sounds like Memphis. It sounds

679
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:34.960
like Memphis. But we were in
the same trajectory. We've had a spit

680
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:39.480
of Blue City with all the harmarks
of it. Was just incredible decay in

681
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:44.079
various communities, and it spreads throughout
the city. There's really no safe place

682
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:47.639
anymore. The store that I work
at, my retail line of you know,

683
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:52.519
retail life, we've been hit multiple
times. I was had the place

684
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:57.760
to myself last Friday night and we
were hit again. And it's not grabbing

685
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:01.079
run, it's grabbing strut. And
tell tell me and the other people,

686
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:04.519
if anybody else's working with me,
don't you dare try to stop me?

687
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:07.880
Don't you dare? And you know
what here in Memphis, they're packing.

688
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:12.599
Yeah, and it's this blatant criminality. Yeah, it's it's they have no

689
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:16.559
fear of repercussion, So why not? Um? And I think, um,

690
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:20.400
you're absolutely right on the issues too. I mean it's a big deal.

691
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:23.920
You know this this pipeline, the
Xcel pipeline that um, yeah,

692
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:31.119
are our exalted leader decided to cut
first office Zo. Yeah, it has

693
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:36.960
repercussion so far beyond just that and
the eleven thousand jobs tied to that,

694
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:43.679
but the Enbridge pipeline here in Minnesota
that runs through the Midwest has been a

695
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:49.440
really um contested issue here and so
now people are using that as leverage,

696
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:52.079
saying, well they canceled, that
we should cancel Enbridge, and it's it's

697
00:47:52.760 --> 00:48:00.159
such a u It was such a
dividing line between the urban elite and the

698
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:05.599
people that work in um northern Minnesota
that lost all their jobs from the mine

699
00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:09.679
is shut down. So it's uh, it's really hurting a lot of people

700
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:14.880
across the Midwest. So now they
feel emboldened to shut down the Umbridge pipeline.

701
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:19.440
So that's that's going to be another
hit to Minnesota. Now just tell

702
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.760
them hang on, don't worry about
your bills because you can't pay them for

703
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:24.679
a while. But eventually you'll put
you We'll put your work making solar panels.

704
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:30.920
Yeah, yeah, eventually solar panels
in Minnesota where in the wintertime four

705
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:37.480
hours of sunshine on a sunny day. My buddy, another another veteran,

706
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:40.440
Bob Lee, I've had him on
the show before, Super Guy, and

707
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:45.199
he said he when he was stationed
in North Dakota. Why not, he

708
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:49.880
said, they one day out of
the year, everyone gathered around the tree

709
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:54.679
and in the morning you had little
green buds on the tree, and by

710
00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:59.239
lunch they were in bloom. They
were beautiful. You know, there was

711
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:04.280
some pollen. And then about two
o'clock in the afternoon on the tree that

712
00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:08.159
leaves start turning brown, and before
sunset the leaves fall off. We're back

713
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:14.559
to winter again. Go home.
See three s four days of winter,

714
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:19.039
right, yeah, and then exactly
yeah, so by the way, the

715
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:22.199
borders are open. I will tell
you that you don't have to do this.

716
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.280
I was snowed in years ago in
Minneapolis at a truck stop and I

717
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:31.079
every day that we were detained there. Because of the elements, they reduced

718
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:34.400
the price of the food. So
I was, you know, going in

719
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.000
for breakfast and lunch and dinner,
and I asked the waitress one to ask

720
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:43.679
it, please tell me that the
other seasons make this worth it, and

721
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:46.239
she said, you know, I
can't. So it's a delightful lady.

722
00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:51.400
But you know, man, we
have about two weeks where it's just gorgeous,

723
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:53.440
so come visit them. Okay,
let me know you what it's going

724
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:55.800
to be. But yeah, when
we get figured out, I'll be there.

725
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:00.599
I'm going to quote another piece that
you wrote from an other people and

726
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:04.400
the Federalist this one, and folks, I quote a great deal from Jenna's

727
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:08.000
writings because but that's because well reasons
will become a parent in just a moment.

728
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:12.159
So let me read this. It
says our political this is on the

729
00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:15.920
piece that you wrote about Notre Dame. By the way, our political class

730
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:20.440
has already proven to be cowards when
in charge with protecting our historic monuments,

731
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:23.440
houses of worship, private property,
and even the livelihoods of our children because

732
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:29.039
of state imposed lockdowns of public schools. We can still fan the flames of

733
00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:31.480
liberty, not of ruin. We
stand at the precipice looking out of the

734
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:36.679
world that needs a strong, deliberate, virtuous America, and that happens when

735
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:40.199
we work within the framework our founders
created to enact reform, not by into

736
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:45.920
the lie that we must burn everything
down to save it. That reasoning would

737
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:49.320
not save Notre Dame, and it
will not save America. It only hastens

738
00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:54.679
its destruction. We must resist the
temptation to forfeit forever what made America good

739
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:59.360
and noble, That all men are
created equal and our rights are bestowed upon

740
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:02.000
us by odd It is too steep
a price to pay for the chance to

741
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:07.000
be on the winning side of a
political battle. Now, there's a lot

742
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:09.800
to think about, folks in that
excerpt. In fact, if you want,

743
00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:14.400
you can just run the video back
and look at it and read it

744
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:16.559
and it has First you'll be able
to read it and soak everything in,

745
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:20.920
and the second you won't hear me
talking, Jenna. Is it fair?

746
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:23.239
And this is my last question?
But is it fair to conclude that you

747
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:28.960
don't that you don't think that necessarily
all is lost? Um? I mean,

748
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.400
I continue to write and broadcast in
order to explain is a better way

749
00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:35.159
than what we are now seeing unfold, right, And I don't know how

750
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:38.039
well that message will take, but
you see a path forward? Is that

751
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:43.519
right? Yes? And I think, um, I think really it was

752
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:49.079
a turning point, um in the
in the twenty sixteen election that really,

753
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:52.079
um, kind of made the toothpaste
come out of the two and we can't

754
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:55.920
really put it back. I think
people really found their voice and they're sick

755
00:51:57.039 --> 00:52:02.079
of being dictated to and being taught
to instead of having being part of the

756
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:06.079
conversation. And when issues really affect
their lives, you know, like the

757
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:09.760
Ambridge pipeline for example, or the
public schools, and people are starting to

758
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:14.320
think, well, you know,
how this lockdown happens. Uh, They're

759
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:19.800
starting to realize and see what is
actually being taught in schools and or what

760
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:23.559
isn't being taught in schools or the
lies and um, you know, I

761
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:28.840
think it's it goes a little bit
back to you know, in John Milton's

762
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:30.679
Paradise Laws. I mean, we're
all fallen, um, but it doesn't

763
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:34.760
mean we're lost forever. I think, uh, you know, we can

764
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.960
still strive towards that ideal, and
I think we should. I think it's

765
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:46.159
it's it's part of it's built into
America, I think from its founding.

766
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:50.440
So um, as long as we
have people willing to step up and do

767
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:53.840
that, and people have really found
their voice over the last you know,

768
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:59.159
four years, eight years, I
think we can still move forward. We

769
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:04.599
just have to be stronger than the
sensors and and find a way. Well.

770
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:08.079
And you yeah, and you you
you control that which you can control,

771
00:53:08.679 --> 00:53:13.199
You influence that which you can.
But you always are good to people,

772
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:15.199
to other to other people, into
your family. And it starts with

773
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:20.159
that nucleus, right and that absolutely
you're absolutely right. You know, we

774
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:23.000
still are human beings and we should
treat each other as such and not just

775
00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:30.559
uh from basement keyboard warriors. So
we still have to interact with people and

776
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:34.639
and uh, you know, we're
still in charge of our families, uh

777
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:39.199
so far and uh teaching them and
raising them and generations rise up. So

778
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:45.320
I think I think there's still there's
always hope. Yeah, okay, awesome,

779
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:47.239
thank you so much. By the
way, you still enjoy the world

780
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:52.639
of retail too. Absolutely, it
is always a story to tell. Oh

781
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:55.639
my god, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, okay,

782
00:53:55.760 --> 00:54:00.920
well we'll we'll show the share those
stories off camera. All right,

783
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:04.280
thank you again. All right,
take care, folks. As Jenna Stalker

784
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:10.320
on the Dave Carter program, if
you want elevator music, you come to

785
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:36.039
the wrong place and written nuvel Dave
Carter, Well, that was Jenna Stalker

786
00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:40.920
with valuable insights and some good advice. Um. Obviously I've been more than

787
00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:45.960
a little morose lately, as both
Robin Jenna point all. However, it

788
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:49.400
doesn't have to be that way.
Are some unpleasant things going to happen?

789
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:53.159
Well, yeah, it's a mathematical
certainty that when the reach and the power

790
00:54:53.280 --> 00:55:00.199
of a centralized government expand, than
the sphere of individual liberty and individ dual

791
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:06.000
sovereignty necessarily contracts. Hardly a law
can be enacted that doesn't diminish in some

792
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:08.760
way the control that we have over
our own lives, as many thousands of

793
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:15.159
people learned when they lost their livelihoods
and the means by which they feed and

794
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:19.719
support their families as their jobs simply
vanished with the stroke of the president's pen.

795
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:22.239
And there's no sugarcoating it. It's
going to get worse. That doesn't

796
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:27.000
mean, however, that we can't
be good to each other, and it

797
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:31.280
doesn't mean that we can't nurture and
exemplify the best part of ourselves, both

798
00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:37.000
for our communities and our families.
And that's as good an agenda as I

799
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:40.559
can think of at the moment.
If you've enjoyed the show today, I

800
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:45.480
invite you over to head over to
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801
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802
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:51.679
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803
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:55.599
free to head over to YouTube and
you can subscribe to events over there and

804
00:55:55.840 --> 00:56:01.199
see things and see the craziness evolved
as we move forward. For that matter,

805
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:04.960
if you're crazy or no. If
you're crazy, you're listening to this.

806
00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:08.039
But if you're curious about my own
website over Dave Carter online dot com,

807
00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:13.119
feel free to head there. That's
where you'll find a lot of articles

808
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:15.360
I've written over the years and some
current articles of interests that other people have

809
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:19.599
written that I think you might enjoy
having a look at. There's also a

810
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:22.880
page of podcasts for you're listening pleasure
in a page called the Inkwell, and

811
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:27.480
that's where I write more introspective pieces
for the readers of the website. It

812
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:31.920
includes some funny thoughts and stories about
life on the road and some essays about

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what it's like to be an introvert
in a line of work in a world

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that is pretty much made to order
for extroverts. But see for yourself over

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at Dave Carter online dot com.
We've got some great guests coming up in

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future shows, working on some groups, some fun stuff. Now, lots

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are compelling conversation, not necessarily all
of which pertains to politics either. There's

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life outside of that sphere, thank
god, so lots more happening along that

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way. Along that those lines will
get into some miss chief and has some

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yulked and some giggles along the way. So with thanks to Rob Long and

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to Jenna Stoker and as always,
with special thanks to you the listener,

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I am Dave Carter and I'll see
you next time. Thank you for listening

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to The Daycar Show. Don't forget
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