Peter Robinson: A Comprehensive Analysis of Campaign 2020

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Podcasting from Mtist, Tennessee. He's
a soldier, a storyteller, historian,

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and maybe a bit of a hell
racer. Click listen and enjoy. It's

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Dave Carter on the Ricochet Audio Network. That's right, folks, we are

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ready to rock and roll here.
We're gonna be talking with a farmer,

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a speechwriter for President Ronald Reagan.
Peter Robinson will be with just a short

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while, and then we'll quite literally
cross over the other side of the world

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all the way over to Stuttgard,
Germany to talk with military historian and intelligence

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analyst Brady Keel to see what's happening
over there. So there's no shortage you've

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mentioned in conversation here today. Speaking
of which, welcome to the program,

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folks. Delight to have you with
us today. I'm Dave Carter, and

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it is an honor to be with
you. In case you haven't heard,

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we have an election coming up very
very soon, which means that we have

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a great deal of stuff to talk
about. Well, let's get down to

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business here. The sad fact is
it, as much as we are,

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as much as I would like to
ignore politicians, politicians simply won't ignore us.

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So eventually we have to make a
serious appraisal of what they're up to

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now. Normally, when Peter Robinson
is here, I deliberately avoid politics a

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because he's such a pleasant gentleman and
I don't want to tarnish the conversation.

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And he spent so much of his
life deeply involved in questions of public policy

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that I figure he probably needs a
break. But the election looms dead ahead,

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and I can't think of anyone I'd
rather hear from on the topic than

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Peter Robinson. He's a graduate of
Dartmouth University, after which he traveled to

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Oxford University and earned a degree in
philosophy, politics, and economics. He

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came back to the US and was
a speechwriter for then Vice President George H.

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W. Bush, eventually becoming a
speechwriter for President Ronald Reagan, and

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as most of you know, he
wrote the speech for President Reagan and which

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included the line, mister groberchof tear
down this wall, which had the effect

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of trumpets around Jericho, so as
the song says, the walls came tumbling

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down. He's authored several books,
including How Ronald Reagan Changed My Life,

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which I thought I thoroughly enjoyed.
I also wrote a book called This My

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Party of Republicans, Messy Love Affair
with the GOP, which I really identify

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with. And then he's got one
called Snaptots from Hell, which I think

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maybe about twenty twenty at least it
ought to be at this point. So

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it's a pleasure to welcome Peter to
the program. How are you, sir?

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I'm fine, I'm fine, but
if you don't call me sir,

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actually I was fine. If you
listening to that introduction, Dave, there's

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just no place for me to go
but down well, you know. Well,

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like I told someone else, wait
till the movie comes out, it's

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going to be even better than what
it sounds like when somebody reads it.

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I'm going to ask you a question
by way of a rant with your kind

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and shoulders, because I'm getting irritable
here. Not because of you, obviously,

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but have you noticed how politicians almost
always try and beguile this with talks

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of a grandiose new program, or
visions of a utopia where everyone gets free

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false teeth and free college and free
healthcare. The sea levels subside and there'll

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be sunshine and unicorn farts throughout the
land. If we only give up a

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little more of our liberty, a
little more of our earnings, a little

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more of our property, everything will
be just ducky, they promise it.

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Always just around the corner. And
every now and then someone comes along,

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a conservative generally, and says,
hey, wait a minute, why don't

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you, the voter keep more of
your earnings instead, And why don't you,

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the voter keep more of your liberty
to control your own life and pursue

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happiness on your terms instead of ours? And if everybody that person is called

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dangerous an authoritarian, And that's why
so many of us drink for example.

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So I've seen this play out so
many times over the years, and I'm

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nearly despondent. Do you find yourself
feeling the same way as if P.

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T. Barnum somehow low balled the
situation? Oh, nicely put nicely put

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Yeah, yes, The answer is
yes, yes, and some not quite

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despondent. But I was young enough
to be naive back in the nineteen eighties.

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During the nineteen eighties, I was
young enough to be naive. I

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really felt that we were getting someplace. Reagan cuts taxes, rolls back regulations,

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The economy begins to grow, he
increases our strength, he stands up

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to the Soviet Union. We win
the Cold War. So I thought those

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achievements would, in one way or
another, proof permanent that that we would

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we. When I say we,
what do I mean? I mean the

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country, that we would have learned
that smaller government leads to greater economic growth.

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Strength in the world leads to peace. And it turns out no,

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really, we didn't learn. We
the country didn't learn. There are historians

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who say the reason the Soviet Union
fell was because it was three generations away

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from the founding revolutionaries. That the
first generation of communists in the Soviet Union

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really believed it, and then you
got to the second generation, the bregion.

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You have generation they didn't believe it, but they kept the system running.

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And then you got to their grandchildren, and they wanted it all to

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end. They just Gorbachev's We now
know that shortly after he's chosen General secretary,

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he said, we can't live this
way anymore. I made the mistake

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of supposing that that applied to communist
systems and not to ours. We're now

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a couple of generations on from the
achievements of the nineteen eighties and what do

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we have. We have people such
as Alexandria Keso Cortez saying, Hey,

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I'm in my twenties. I lived
through none of the experience you Peter Robinson

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are talking about. But I have
an idea let's all be socialists and that

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can all. You can only say
that with a straight face and find an

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audience that's willing to listen to it, because they don't they haven't lived through

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very much. That's sort of my
thinking that every so often the country has

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to this country, any country,
any people, a new generation. Once

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you get a generation or too farther
along, they have to learn hard lessons

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for themselves. Yeah, they don't
read very well or they're not taught very

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well. March Twain said that history
doesn't repeat itself, but it oftentimes rhymes.

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Yes. Yes, that's kind of
where we are. I guess.

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So if I guess, I guess
human nature out ultimately doesn't change all that

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much. Then now, if you
if you believe the polls, I'm starting

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to think that the majority of Americans
have are close to the majority have just

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gone mad. That's a big if, right, So do we as my

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grandmother would say, how much stock
do we put in those polls. How

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about you, where are you on
the believability of this stuff? Uh,

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well, I'm I'm here's where I
am. Well know, in two weeks

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that's sort of where I am.
The argument. So here's why. The

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argument for why it looks bad for
Donald Trump is very easy to state.

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Joe Biden has not only Joe Biden
is not only in the lead. He's

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been in the lead throughout the campaign. Whereas back in twenty sixteen, Hillary

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Clinton led for most of the campaign, the polls were much more volatile,

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and before election Day there were two
moments when Donald Trump actually briefly was in

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the lead. He has never been
in the lead throughout any period of this

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camp pain. The poles get a
little closer, they get a little wider,

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they get a little closer, they
get a little wider. But Joe

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Biden is always in the lead,
and that suggests that the country's made up

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its mind and whatever Donald Trump's policies, there are just too many Americans who

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can't stand him. That's the argument
for why this looks really bad for Donald

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Trump. There is another argument,
and it's a pretty good one, and

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it rests on a couple of points. One is the poles just don't work

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very well anymore. The current polling
industry got its start in the fifties and

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sixties when two things were true.
Everybody had a landline telephone in his house,

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and everybody picked up the phone and
would talk to a poster if a

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poster called. Right now, people
have multiple numbers. They may have a

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landline at home, they have the
cell phone, they have a different number

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for their FaceTime on their computer.
And do people pick up man Sometimes they

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pick up, sometimes they don't.
Polling has just become much much harder to

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do. So do we trust them
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We shouldn't trust them as much.
And then the second point is this,

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and this is really the important point. Last time around, we know,

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we found out afterwards that there was
such a thing as a shy Trump voter.

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There were people who wouldn't tell polsters, people who wouldn't tell their own

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family or their neighbors, let alone
polsters, that they intended to vote for

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Donald Trump. Surely there are more
such people this time around, when the

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whole atmosphere has become so fevered.
I live on the mid Peninsula in northern

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California. I know some people around
here are going to vote for Trump.

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There are no Trump signs in anybody's
yard. I mean none except for one

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brave soul up in Portola Valley near
where I live. And actually the Trump

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signs are not in his yard.
He put out a Trump sign and it

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got stolen. He put out a
Trump sign again, and it got face.

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Another Trump signed, Another one got
stolen. So this fellow got out

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of ladder and put Trump signs up
in his trees. So the indication there

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is that what I'm trying to the
point I'm trying to make is that there

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are a lot of people, not
so many in northern California, but some

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here for that matter. That proves
the point you can't say, you can't

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put a Trump sign out in front
of your your front yard without consequences.

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So what was the pollster I've forgotten
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called the Trafalgar Group. I saw
that and he said he thinks that the

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shy Trump voter accounts for five or
six points. Well if it's that big,

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If it's that big, Donald Trump
wins. Who's right. We'll know

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in two weeks. Yeah, Well
I know here in Memphis that's a very

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real thing. We were thinking about
putting Trump signs out and then just the

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decision was no. I mean that
the forecast. Hey Dave, who made

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that decision? I have a feeling
it was it was missus Carter. Now

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it was me too, because I
value Missus Carter. This place is nuts.

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The weather forecast is partly to mostly
homicidal just about every day, so

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we have we have a higher homicide
rick than Chicago does. Are you serious?

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Yeah? This is this, No, this is in the whole family.

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Here's got concealed carry permits because it's
just nuts. So if you put

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a sign up, you are inviting
trouble. And I've heard of instances where

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people who do have signs up have
received notices in the mail that if if

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if your side wins, we saw
your sign we're coming after you. Really

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yeah, so I mean I know
that. That's why I lend some credibility

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to that. Yeah. Yeah,
so that's in your in your personal experience,

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you feel that right every day?
Yeah? Absolutely? Well what about

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so is that memphisis of course Western
Tennessee. What about the rest of Tennessee,

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Middle Tennessee, Eastern Tennessee. That's
Trump country or not. Mostly it

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is. Nashville has some problems,
but most of Tennessee's like you would think

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Tennessee would be memphisis. I don't
know how it ended up in Tennessee because

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it's no longer if it no longer
feels like it's in Tennessee. Really,

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it feels like it's aspiring to be
Detroit. Yeah yeah, yeah, Well

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okay, so I know it's not
like some old guys sitting on the front

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porch telling the kid to stay the
hell off my lawn. So let's let's

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talk tactics. I'm in the rocking
chair. Good well, cheers. Then,

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hey, kids, he means it. He seemed to shotgun. Never

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mind, anyway, m let's talk
tactics for just a moment, because there's

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a few hours we're recording, just
a few hours before the last presidential debate.

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So if you'd rather pass on this, that's fine. But if you

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were giving advice to President Trump on
the upcoming debate tonight, what kind of

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advice that you think he might listen
to? What kind of advice would you

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give him? Well, the chances
that he'd listened to it are probably small.

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I mean, it's it's this is
we know this at this point.

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We've been watching this guy for more
than four years at this time. His

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strengths are his weaknesses. They're the
same qualities. So he's he's so bullheaded

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that he's willing to stand up to
Washington, but he's also so bullheaded that

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you can't tell him anything, even
if you're on his side. My advice

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would be, well, look,
we have the first debate, and here's

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his political problem. His overwhelming political
problem is not his policies, right,

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It's it's that too many Americans,
and especially suburban women, just can't stand

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him. They just plain don't like
him. And so there you go on

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the first debate, and he knows
that, and he goes out on stage

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and he spends ninety minutes proving them
right. So I would say, I'd

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say, mister President, whatever you
do, of course, you have to

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be strong, you have to be
firm, you have to stand up for

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what you believe. You're going to
have to challenge Joe Biden. The press

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is not going to the press is
behaving as though the hunter Biden's story is

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a non story. You're gonna have
to challenge him, but be dignified.

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Bear in mind not just Joe Biden, your opponent, but bear in mind

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the millions of Americans who are watching
you. I am convinced there are a

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lot of people who want to vote
for him. It's I mean, this

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is a complicated election for a lot
of people. So I remember, I

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happen to go to college with John
Hoven, whose senator from North Dakota,

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and Donald Trump is pretty popular in
North Dakota, and so I asked him

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about it. I said, John, look, North Dakota is in all

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kinds of ways nineteen fifties America.
It's dominated by small communities. People in

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North Dakota is still go to church, They care about neighborly behavior, they

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care about civility. How can they
back this brash, loudmouth New Yorker.

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And John said, they have a
lot of trouble with Donald Trump, but

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they sure like his policies. And
that is the whole question. There are

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a lot of Americans who like this
man's policies but have trouble with him.

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Mister President, I would say,
give them less trouble this evening. Give

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them less trouble. Everybody I know
who's had anything to do with Trump personally,

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John, you my friend John You, who just wrote a book about

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Donald Trump called Defender in Chief about
Trump in the Constitution, and John You

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spent an hour in the Oval Office
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John's one of many, and they
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strangest thing. He's pugnacious and difficult
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he's totally charming, warm, gregarious, affable. That's the president I hope

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go after, for example, the
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does implicate, as the FBI has
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You know it's legit. It does
implicate Joe Biden, and the moderator is

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going to do her best to tiptoe
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it up. Somebody will have to
bring it up. You can bring it.

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you can make an argument forcefully in
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believe I was trained under Ronald Reagan, who is a completely different kind of

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person. Sure, but if you
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model of how you can be forceful
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you can you could do a lot
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is Ronald Reagan. H. W. Bush. Absolutely, we've speaking of

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the media and the moderator, we've
known that the has been leaning hard left

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we know they tilted to the left at

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least as far back as sixty eight, but the ted offensive and you know,

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it's been a NonStop and they lost
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George mcgovernor left so convincingly in seventy
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not even makeup making a pretensive objectivity
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facade there, and they've dropped.
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the other thing that's happened is that
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Barrett always in mind that the press, the New York Times, CBS,

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MSNBC, these are four profit entities. They have shareholders. They must

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make money or they will change the
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what In the old days, if
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audience that you can. Yet that's
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were the New York Times, you
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simply no longer the case. The
way they can make the way they make

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money, the way they believe they
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a pole. The other day. Somebody

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went through viewers and readers of different
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how do you identify what's your party? Of The New York Times readers said

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they were Democrats, which was higher. Fox News was eighty. Some percent

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said they were Republicans. The New
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heavily democratic readership than the Fox News
has a Republican viewership, which is a

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pretty remarkable fact. So the people
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they have a particular kind of audience, and they now play to that audience

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shamelessly, which comes back to what
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pretense is now has been dropped altogether. I talked with Molly Hemingway, a

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mutual friend of ours, a few
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media is now basically the pr arm
of the Democratic National Committee. She suggested,

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as she thinks it may be the
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may actually be driving the DNC at
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that? That's actually a very shrewd
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that, well, the New York
Times sixteen nineteen project was, in all

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kinds of ways the driving force behind
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That's an instance in which the journalism, such as it is, I don't

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want to use that term. Let's
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and the politics came afterwards followed it. That's that's a shrewd suggestion. Yeah,

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yeah, I'd buy that. As
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I know you spoke not that long, but I never meet it. I

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know, I know, and I
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you spoke not that long ago with
Michael Anton, who posited in twenty sixteen

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we were facing the flight ninety three
election that if we didn't get it right,

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we were facing klesmic results if we
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the Clinton family back into the White
House. So I was a trucker,

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So I wouldn't go with a flight
ninety three metaphor. I would be asking

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if this is our last exit on
the highway to Hell instead, But just

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the same, every four years,
we hear that this election is the most

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consequential in our lifetimes, and after
awhile it gets pass. We hear it

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every single time. But at this
point, when the other side is entertaining

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the idea of packing the Supreme Court, if viscerrating the separation of powers,

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they're threatening to burn, loot,
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get their way in election day.
I mean, even the little kid who

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cried Wolfe was eventually right. I'm
wondering, if this is a decisive election

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along those lines, what do you
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is? Well, this is a
more important, a more consequential election than

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even twenty sixteen was. And here's
what I mean by that the Democratic Party

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has been the party of the left
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they want? They want bigger government, higher taxes, broadly speaking, a

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weaker profile in the world for the
United States. The Republican Party has been

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the opposite. It wants less government, lower taxes, less regulation, and

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strength abroad. And those two basic
profiles have been in place. Well.

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You could argue that they've certainly been
in place since the nineteen sixties. You

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could argue that they go all the
way back to Franklin Roosevelt and who was

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elected president in the election of nineteen
thirty two. So it's been decades that

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you get bigger government under the Democrats, and then the Republicans come in and

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cut government back a little bit and
Theocrat. That back and forth is something

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that we're totally used to. This
election is different because the Democrats are proposing

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changes that would be permanent, that
fall outside the range of anything that we've

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come to consider normal. You mentioned
one just a moment ago, packing the

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Supreme Court. When it came to
it, Franklin Roosevelt commended packing the Supreme

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Court, and even Franklin Roosevelt backed
off. It is not at all clear

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to me that the Let's put it
this way, the Roosevelt administration recommended packing

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the court, and then they discovered
they didn't even have support for doing that

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in Congress. Right right, What
Molly Hemmings way is insight, which you

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recommend it just a moment you can. If you google on packing the Supreme

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Court, you will find prominent democratic
and liberal commentators who are deadly serious about

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it adding at least four or five
seats to the Supreme Court and will push

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the administration to do so. Item
one, Item two. Any immigration controls

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that Donald Trump has achieved, the
Democrats will sweep aside. If you change

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the demography of the country, you're
changing the people who well who you are

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changing your own rulers. You're changing. You're giving Eventually they'll give them the

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vote, and that too, will
represent a permanent If you change the democracy,

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that's a permanent change. If you
eliminate the filibuster in the Senate,

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that's permanent. If you permit Puerto
Rico and the District of Columbia to become

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states and give each of them two
senators, that is adding four democratic seats

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to the Senate. Those seats will
remain democratic for at least a generation.

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That two is permanent. So what
you have here is a democratic party which

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isn't just saying vote for us will
give you a bigger government the way we

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always try to do. They're saying, vote for us, and we will

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make permanent changes. We will effect
an end game in American politics that will

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leave us permanently in control. That
is something entirely new. That's one party

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rule and no check on it at
all, constitutionally or otherwise. Richard Epstein,

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my friend Richard Epstein, whom you
know, brilliant lawyer, and he

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said, when Barack Obama was first
elect, did that. The Founders never

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foresaw a circumstance like that in which
one party captured both the White House and

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Congress. The Founders foresaw that the
White House and Congress and the courts.

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That was new, something the Founders
had not foreseen. The checks and balances

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wouldn't work if one party captured all
three and one party captured the press,

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which the founder, the importance of
which the Founders had not taken into account

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at all. You line up all
four of those, and you've got something

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that's very hard to resist. It
will be more so this time around.

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There's hardly no going back. I
mean, if they totally screw it up,

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what are you gonna do. They
have all the levers, Well this

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in one state. The answer is
the answer is we become we re resort

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effectively to guerrilla politics. I'm not
talking about violence, but what I'm talking

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about is gorilla guerrilla tactics suggest you
take the countryside and disappear into the into

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the jungle, and and and continue
the resistance. For us, the jungle

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is going to be the states,
right there will be some states where Republicans

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will remain in control. It will
be very important for those states to set

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good examples of proper governance, push
for charter schools, lower taxes, business,

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job growth, and so forth.
Very important for that because a couple

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decades from now, there are going
to be a new generation of Americans who

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say, wait a minute, this
isn't working. Oh. On the other

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hand, things still work all right
in Texas, yeah, or Tennessee still

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looks pretty good. Memphis is by
twenty twenty years from now, who knows,

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Memphis may have come around here.
That's what I mean. The gorilla

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politics is, we're just going to
have to take our politics to the handful

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of states where Republicans will remain in
control. Yeah, I understand, and

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it's viable. And on that uplifting
note, this concludes our deposition has been

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mad fun and of course obviously this
is a very important election, so folks

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get out and vote. Is the
Robinson families safe from pandemics and fires?

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By the way, I wondered about
you guys. Everybody's health healthy, knock

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on, listen. My standards are
pretty low. I've got five kids.

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If nobody's in jail and nobody's in
the hospital, we're doing fine. And

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nobody is in either place. I
will Summer here in California was pretty wretched.

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The pandemic. California got shut California
is still shut down pretty tightly.

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But we had the pandemic, we
had wildfire. We had three weeks of

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smoke in the air, a couple
of days in a row in which the

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temperatures were unusually high, well over
a hundred, and the air was the

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light was orange. It looked as
though we were living on Mars. Smokes

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had worked its way high up into
the atmosphere. It's beautiful again in California.

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The weather's temperature, the weather's temperate
once again, everybody's remembering why they

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moved to California the first place.
So thank you for asking. We're all

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I was going pretty bad there for
a while. I'll check on Amazon to

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see if there's any Lamb's blood I
could send to you, so you could

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sprinkled around the doorway. But I
didn't. I didn't find anything. Amazon

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doesn't deal with that unfortunately. Well, Peter Man, it's a treat to

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talk with you as always. Thank
you so much for Dave, A real

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pleasure taking your life in your hands
again and being on the program. All

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right, well, please give my
best of the family room. I will

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do take fuse. That's Peter Robinson
on the Dave Carter Program from telling conversation.

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Then maybe a giggle or two.
It's Dave Carteret, that's Sorr.

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That's Peter Robinson, superbly informed gentleman, a guy whose words helped shape the

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course of history and help defeat a
totalitarian monstrosity in the Soviet Union. And

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he's making his persuasive a case as
I can imagine, and laying out what's

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By the way, folks, if
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we see what you like and we'll go

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from there. Now on the line
with me is Ricochet member Brady Keel.

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There goes by hair force one that's
his user name on Ricochet h r R

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Force and the digit one He's a
Senior Masters Sergeant in the Air Force Reserve

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and is at Stuttgart, Germany,
where he serves as an intelligence analyst for

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the Joint Reserve Intelligence Support Element,
which reports to the Joint Analytics Center European

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Command R. A. F.
Moulesworth, United Kingdom. And you don't

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have to go back and play that
over several times, because I'm going to

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get clarification in a minute, So
you can put your Dakota rings down for

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just a little while longer. But
Senior matthis Ergeant Kiel received his Bachelor of

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Arts degree in Broadfield st at Broadfield
Social Sciences in German Language, University of

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Wisconsin, Stevens Point in nineteen ninety
three, and he received his Master of

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Arts degree in the Military History of
the American Revolution Fascinating from the American Military

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University in two thousand and ten.
I really do like that he's originally from

427
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:04.160
h Brady. You may have to
help me, manatoak. Do I get

428
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:07.920
that right? Close? Manatoak?
Man, it's a walk, okay.

429
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:11.920
If I sneeze, it'll sound right
then, and he reframed Wisconsin. He

430
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.759
became an Air Force Destorian in two
thousand and three. Which is right around

431
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:18.319
the time that I retired. Actually, his awards and decorations include, but

432
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:22.480
are not limited to, the Meritorious
Service Medal, Air Force Commendation Medal,

433
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:26.079
Joint Service Achievement Medal, the Air
Force Outstanding Union Ward with two Oak Leaf

434
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:32.000
Custers, Air Force Reserve Meritorious Service
Medal with five Devices, National Defense Service

435
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:36.559
Medal with Star, Global War on
Terrorism Service Medal, among others. And

436
00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:40.279
it's an honor to welcome him to
the services here today, Brady, how

437
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:42.000
are you, sir? Well,
thank you for having me, Dave.

438
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:45.119
That doesn't sound the same when it's
just on the paper that they make you

439
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.720
take. And I can say that
power Points helped me. Well, you

440
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:52.160
know, well wait till the movie
comes out. It'll it'll be even it'll

441
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:56.400
be even better. So you're you're
in Germany right now, so your day

442
00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:59.160
is winding down even as mine is
getting started. That I have that,

443
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.440
right, Yeah, Yeah, it's
beautiful here right now. Sun's out and

444
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:07.240
it's a good place to be.
Well, that's good here here in Memphis.

445
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:12.000
It's overcast and it's fair, fair
to partly homicidal outside, and that's

446
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:15.680
just the way Memphis is. So
getting back to that earlier sentence. Let

447
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:20.119
make sure understand this. You're an
intel analyst for the Joint Reserve Intelligence Support

448
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:24.440
Element, which reports to a Joint
Analytics Center except on Thursdays and months that

449
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:28.920
end with a consonant and the full
and when the equinox occurs on the previous

450
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:31.359
Saturday and the Air Force Chiefestaff howls
by the light of the moon. Do

451
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:35.480
I have that about right? That's
right? And Drew Jack, you'd get

452
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:40.160
knobs in cribbage. Yeah, so
I'm overcappilated. Yeah, I mean,

453
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:44.880
does that translate into something remotely understandable
for the layman or should we just let

454
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:49.680
it go? Well, imagine,
as you know, they depend a lot

455
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:52.160
on the Garden Reserve in the last
twenty years or never. And if you

456
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:57.359
can imagine people who've been trained as
analysts or other things where they spent a

457
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:00.720
lot of time and money training people. Then you move on and all that

458
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:04.240
sort of thing. You don't want
to lose people's skills. So imagine a

459
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:08.319
like a kind of a stable of
reserve people who still stay in touch and

460
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:13.920
drill and we call it power drill, and that if they're ever needed,

461
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:16.440
they can call on us and we're
still still uniformed and ready to go,

462
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:21.119
so it's kind of a neat unit
to be in. So participate as much

463
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:25.720
as you want or layoffs. Everything
should be that easy. So let's talk

464
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:29.799
shop for just a minute. You
mentioned into the history problem back in two

465
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:31.839
thousand and three, right, Oh, yeah, it was a big Hear

466
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:36.039
what what brought you to the history
problem? Because that's a small on the

467
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:38.160
active duty side. I think you're
about They were about one hundred active duty

468
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:44.000
historians when I was in right,
and the garden the Reserve mirrored that you'd

469
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:46.920
have one enlisted person for a wing
and I don't know how that exactly equates

470
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:51.359
to the army and then but like
a brigade level, and I didn't know

471
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:54.200
it was a job like a mos
or specialty. I thought it was I

472
00:33:54.240 --> 00:34:00.200
saw it somewhere, but I thought
it was a special duty and I really

473
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.599
didn't know that. And somebody tapped
me on the shoulder. I was a

474
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:06.400
cargo loader and somebody tapped me on
the shoulder said, hey, history teacher,

475
00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:08.239
the historians leaving, you should apply
for that. And I said,

476
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:12.760
that's actually a job, right,
And yeah, he says you better go

477
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.199
talk and it turns out I was
the only serious candidate, and you know,

478
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:21.639
I think that with the rest was
history and really was a way to

479
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:24.000
fall into it. But it was
a blessing because you know, it led

480
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:28.079
to so many things. And I
had just been passed over for a direct

481
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:31.480
commission reserve style and just missed out
on it, and I was really feeling

482
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:35.199
down. And then I would have
not been able to do all the cool

483
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:39.719
things that I have done since I
became a senior n CEO and going all

484
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:43.559
over the world. Yeah, after
the history job is a great gig.

485
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:45.079
I mean for me, if if
I had, if I could have made

486
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:49.440
it written out with the spects for
my own job, it would been exactly

487
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:51.840
what I did. I mean,
you get to learn for a living,

488
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:54.519
right and yeah, you know,
and talking research right about it and talk

489
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:59.800
about it as just a southstanding and
run ideas down and if you have some

490
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.599
ativity, they love it. Yeah. Now, I was at Malfighter Wings,

491
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:07.519
so that was all operational fighter units, with the exception of a couple

492
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:12.079
of training units, but they were
still listed as fighter units. The basic

493
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.239
work remained the same, and I
like the way that you describe the basic

494
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:17.519
function of the historian here, here's
what you wrote, going to quote you

495
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:22.480
real quick. Says, Intel is
covert, the historian is overt. Intel

496
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:27.639
writes about the adversary, while the
historian writes about the assigned unit. Intel

497
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:31.480
rights were today's operators and commanders,
while the historian rights were future operators and

498
00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:36.320
commanders. Perfectly put. So,
now were you in a one deep shop

499
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:40.800
as well? Yes? Yeah,
and one time in my whole? What

500
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:45.280
does that say on there? About
nine years did we have an overage?

501
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:49.719
And that was it for about a
year. So we had plenty to do.

502
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.880
As you know, there's never quite
enough time to get done everything in

503
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:55.119
the rig that you should do,
and frankly you want to do because it's

504
00:35:55.119 --> 00:36:00.280
good stuff. Right. To preserve, yeah, the whole he has to

505
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:02.760
preserve for folks who are maybe new
to this and not understand what the hell

506
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:07.320
we're talking about. The idea is
to preserve a corporate memory database, if

507
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:13.440
you will, for future generations commanders
and and folks, and so they can

508
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:17.159
see what we did that worked and
what we did that didn't work. The

509
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:22.559
idea being to make them more efficient
and more lethal going forward, right right,

510
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:25.119
And I can tell you know the
amount of time it takes to transcribe

511
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:29.280
an audio tape interview, but those
were gold. You know, you'd get

512
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:34.280
there, you'd intergroup, you'd interview
a squadron commander because of something that happened

513
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.360
just routine, like a new fighter
thing, I'm sorry, a new platform,

514
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:39.920
and they were tickled, like you
want to talk to me, I'm

515
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:43.960
not even a wing commander, and
like, yeah, we got a capture.

516
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:47.039
And it took a lot of extra
time to get that stuff transcribe before

517
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:52.320
software helped you. But those were
the things that future people could look at.

518
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:54.199
Keep it fungible so you can find
it later in there. And on

519
00:36:54.280 --> 00:37:00.199
my last foray into the Middle East, I kept bugging the general there that

520
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:01.920
will. We were at Prince Saltan
and I kept bugging the general. Let

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00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:05.199
me go up on some of the
missions. As I can sit here in

522
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:08.719
the office and look at the camera, you know, the gun footage and

523
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:13.679
get the battle damage assessments and even
the debrief or the pilots, I can.

524
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:16.039
I can learn what happened. But
history is biography, right, It's

525
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:20.119
about what people do, and I
want to put that human element. And

526
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:22.639
he finally said, if you'll just
shut up, I'll send you i'll send

527
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:24.599
you. So. So one of
the one of the ones that I went

528
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:29.599
on was at a wax and I've
got in there and they introduced me to

529
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.079
the crew and uh and they're like, what are you doing here? You

530
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:37.119
know, I'm telling your story.
I'm preserving distroy the record of what you're

531
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:42.039
doing. We're gonna talk about what
you do so that your kids' grandkids will

532
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:45.039
know what happened and that you were
a part of Oh cool, they like

533
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:47.159
that, you know, And so
it was. It was great. My

534
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:51.159
first day, I asked my second
wing, I asked the commander. I

535
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:52.920
said, I'm gonna go drive around
and meet I said, where's your maintenance

536
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:55.679
squadron? Because I didn't want to
tell the commander those are the numbers you

537
00:37:55.719 --> 00:38:00.559
trust, you know, your dad's
trust the maintenance guys more than the fighter

538
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:02.880
guys or the pilots. Yeah.
And when I showed up, it was

539
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:06.159
like, once they figured out what
I was there for, they were going

540
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:07.840
to give me the keys to the
kingdom. And it was like like being

541
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:12.119
followed around like the historians here to
see us. He's here to see us.

542
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:14.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he
cares and uh yeah, it's like,

543
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:16.920
yeah, you guys, numbers are
actually accurate usually, so yeah,

544
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:22.360
there were a couple of exceptions,
but yeah, um uh did you know,

545
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:25.360
by the way, this is a
guy that retired before I did.

546
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:30.719
But Robert E. Lee he's part
of Ricochet too, He's one Ricochet too.

547
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:37.440
But he was the historian that recruited
me into the career field back in

548
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:43.679
back in eighty seven, just after
the earth cooled. So um, yeah,

549
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:50.599
well I heard that he had interviewed
uh Wilbur Wright right the army Army

550
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:52.840
he was. He was the one
that suggested Napoleon. You know, he

551
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.360
said, oh, your certainness,
it would be nice to take Moscow in

552
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:59.360
winter. So yeah, he and
oh he and I just went around.

553
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:05.679
I wrote him of of fake certificate
of achievement or something to other talked about

554
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:07.920
he had written the story about how
the Athenians had kicked the doggy Pooh out

555
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:13.280
of the Peloponnesians and all this other
stuff. So it was but super super

556
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:15.599
nice guy. I walked into the
pastory office to meet him, but the

557
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:17.000
first time he had a bottle of
maylox in one hand and a cigarette and

558
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:22.320
the other Oh the old days,
yeah, because yeah, because the base

559
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:24.119
that that he the wing that he
was at, the twenty third fighter Wing

560
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:28.239
flying Tigers. Back then it was
an England Air Force bace. Louisiana had

561
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:31.000
been without a historian for almost three
years and he was expected to write,

562
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:35.280
you know that much history, all
those histories, and back then it was

563
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:40.480
quarterly. Oh, I had heard
about that, right. He had documents

564
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:45.440
of piles of documents all over the
office. Yeah, he was what We're

565
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:50.960
lucky it was maylox that he was
drinking and I somewhe else. Um.

566
00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:55.400
Yeah, now you said that you
had been to U in your information that

567
00:39:55.199 --> 00:40:00.559
I read you did a couple of
deployments to Sincom headquarters and that you were

568
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:05.679
McDill McDill. And then yeah,
I cannot say that. I got to

569
00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:08.679
go forward like a lot of people
too much. We did go to Cutter

570
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:12.960
and as all the jokes do say, Cutter's not a deployment. And by

571
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:17.239
the way, your Air Force.
I was in the service during DWAT but

572
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:22.679
supported from the rear of the spear, I guess. But you know those

573
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:27.840
were very good. Those were very
good. Um. Call ups, those

574
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:30.599
were those were I actually met one
person ahead of time. They said your

575
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:32.800
numbers up, do you want to
go to the headquarters or do you want

576
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:37.400
to go to a wing And I
said, I'll go to headquarters. And

577
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:38.639
they look at you like crazy,
They're like, why would you go to

578
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:42.559
a CoCom headquarters? You know what
that's like. And I said, dude,

579
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:46.599
I've done eighth grade lunch duty for
fifteen years already. And the only

580
00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:52.800
difference between an OH five fighting another
oh five for the general's conference room is

581
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:54.840
in middle school. Is the middle
school kids, you know, don't quall

582
00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:59.159
on weapons and they don't make as
much money. So that's about the dominion

583
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:02.079
thing. It's different. I had
an uncle that retired as a professor at

584
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:05.679
LSU and he nothing made him angrier
than I have to sit in the room

585
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:08.800
with a bunch of other PhDs.
Yeah, drove him mad. He asked

586
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:10.840
you one time, he said,
you know what a camel is and said

587
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:14.599
no. He said, that's a
horse that was designed and assembled by a

588
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:20.480
committee of PhDs. So and being
in a seventy eight in that environment,

589
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:22.119
you're not a threat. That's awesome. You can be there and they just

590
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:24.679
they don't care, you know.
It's kind of like they're all out to

591
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:28.159
knife each other. And I don't
mean to be too cynical, but you

592
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:30.079
know what I mean, let's got
ahead of the other guy. You got

593
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:35.480
it, you got I did a
let's see, you're in Stuttgart now I'm

594
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:37.119
reading through my little list of things. You're in start Yeah, how long

595
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:44.079
you've been there? Um it's it's
gonna be three years in December, which

596
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:46.679
is it's all. That's a serendipitous
route. And now I'm not teaching anymore,

597
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:51.639
so yeah yeah, yeah, uh
you say, and you're working as

598
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:54.800
a contractor now right, I am
okay joined the dark side. How much

599
00:41:54.840 --> 00:42:00.280
how much teaching experience do you have? I did twenty one years? Sound

600
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:06.400
like I did twenty one year and
I loved it. I love the kids.

601
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:10.599
I just life was blessed with the
military connections and then opportunities once uh

602
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:15.280
once they presented themselves, and my
wife and I being new empty nesters,

603
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:17.039
it was kind of like maybe we
should, but I really I didn't get

604
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:22.079
out out of the because of the
kids. It's sometimes the administration and whatever

605
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:25.719
you're doing gets a little bit tedious
and it's not on one person at all,

606
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:29.119
it's just the whole thing I had. I had. I guess I

607
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:32.719
had a door number three for that
some people don't have right so to take

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you know, yeah, it's yeah, it saw the bureaucratic minutia and things

609
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like that, administrative stuff to just
drive you drive you nuts. And I'm

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in it here, but I just
haven't experienced it this way. Yeah,

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you know, it stick around.
So anyway, you've been a part of

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ricorch shape since the place opened up. I had sometime in two thousand and

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ten, I guess, yeah,
I was commuting seven hours between Wisconsin and

614
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my new unit and Scott after the
other one was bracked. And for those

615
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who didn't know, that's when your
base gets closed. And a buddy of

616
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mine who's a Ricochet member nit Wit
MN nit Whitman Ray Cleveland and Minnesota,

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he or belong buddies Air Force.
But he said, you've got to look

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up this podcast with that guy Peter
Robinson who's always on the nr ADS for

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the Uncommon Knowledge, and Rob Long
and Mark Stein. And so that's the

620
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early days. I'd pull them down
on the podcast app when I'd connect my

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phone to the computer and go for
a seven hour drive. Okay, and

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joined the Facebook page. Was yeah
that when Stein was on the podcast on

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the very early days. That was
hysterical. Oh well yeah, so that's

624
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what's what's kept your Ricochet all this
time. Then just a decade now,

625
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every time it would come up to
maybe not renew or the thing would come

626
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up, I would, Even though
I'm very streaky. If you looked at

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my own posts, I sometimes post
here and there, I don't post a

628
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ton, but I always felt,
even if I hadn't looked at it for

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two weeks or something, I was
donating to something bigger. And I think

630
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it's kind of like what Robin Peter's
original version was. I feel like even

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if I didn't look at it for
a year, I would still pay because

632
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it's nothing to be a part of
the team. And when they come close

633
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sometimes we have those no kidding moments
like we're almost ready to go under.

634
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Like I think it was about three
or four years ago the first time they

635
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had that kind of that was like
for me, that was in my geeky

636
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way that no one non Ricochet could
understand. I was thinking, oh,

637
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:30.719
this is not cool. We got
to get this going right. So my

638
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:34.480
only regret, well, no that's
not true, but one of my regrets

639
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about having a day job is that
I can't spend the amount of time I'd

640
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:40.920
like to spend just reading through the
member post. Oh yeah, yeah,

641
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it's it's remarkable and the meetups have
been great, and it just just Kennedy

642
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:49.719
is just odd. When I was
I was doing the trucking thing, I

643
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was able to get to a lot
of the meetups because I could say to

644
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:54.400
my dispatcher, Hey, I've got
something going on in Seattle, and off

645
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we go. For the most part. Sometimes they could read a map.

646
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Sometimes it couldn't, but they could
get me where, you know, where

647
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:04.840
I needed to be the majority of
the time. And that was that was

648
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mad fun. I haven't been able
to go to a Ricochet in years Ricochet

649
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:12.800
meet up in years now? So
you've been have you been to a few

650
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of them? Well, um,
I've been to one that wasn't mine,

651
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and then I had four through the
a couple of years. They were predominantly

652
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around Minneapoli, the Saint Paul because
I was I would pick a drill weekend

653
00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:29.719
where I was there anyway from Wisconsin, and then Ray that I mentioned who

654
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:31.480
told me about Ricochet, he and
I would just put it out there and

655
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:35.320
that's how I met Randy. Why
Voda who you've had on there, Randy

656
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:38.199
Counsel, two of them down from
Fargo, Yeah, yeah, from and

657
00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:45.519
then we had uh we we started
one the month after Romney lost to Obama

658
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:49.800
at a little called The Nook,
the home of the Juicy Lucy Cheeseburger and

659
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:52.519
Saint Paul on the Drill weekend and
it was Ray myself and two others and

660
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:59.639
Frozen chosen, uh Tim and you
know, the very as yet unknown writing

661
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:01.920
star Rachel Lou was one of the
other turned out that was down the street

662
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:06.159
from her. So we all were
like, what is this ricochet thing?

663
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:07.840
And why are we so bummed?
Now we have another four years of this

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But yeah, that's a long time
ago now when I was going to the

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meetup, so I imagine it's still
the case. I would say that it's

666
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like a meeting of old friends who
just hadn't hadn't seen each other yet,

667
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dead on, dead on, because
you're seeing people that you you have an

668
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:29.559
idea how their mind works. You
exchange ideas with them, so you connect

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on that level in a very powerful
way. Actually, and when you meet

670
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:37.199
hims like oh yeah, and you
just pick up where you left off,

671
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:39.280
you know, or a whole new
dimension opens up as you meet people and

672
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:42.960
talk to them, to learn about
them and see their bring their families with

673
00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:45.280
them, what have you. It's
just fantastic. Yeah. In fact,

674
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I wanted to do in Germany here
because Hartmann vanau is one of the posters

675
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who posts a bit and he's in
Augsburg. But since we've kind of figured

676
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that out, it's been various stages
of Corona restrictions, and even when we

677
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:00.800
had a little more freedom, it
was kind of like, you know,

678
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there's life to go on and we
can't make I cann't get out to them.

679
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:07.000
But we're only about an hour and
a half part. But you should

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do a Germany. So I'm going
to do Space A. I'm gonna trying

681
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to get out there then Space.
Yeah, they they're still out there.

682
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If they're still there, Charleston to
spang Dollar I heard is underutilize. So

683
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if you ever want to get over
here, get yourself to Charleston. I've

684
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probably given the way. If anybody
that Niche took care of that, they

685
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:29.039
all try to get Ramstein and that's
always full, you know. But yeah,

686
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a rotator on Spangal Yeah, okay, good, good good, all

687
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:35.039
right, Well from one storyan to
another. Man, I one veteran to

688
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:38.400
another who okay, still serving.
Thank you so much for continued service to

689
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the country. I appreciate it.
That mean, it's a great deal to

690
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:45.360
all of us back home. So
you know that, but I just want

691
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:47.360
to say it anyway. Oh,
thanks so much, David. All right,

692
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:50.400
and thank you to hear you.
Thank you for being a part of

693
00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:52.480
Rick and Shane for being with us
today. Man, I appreciate it.

694
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:57.199
It's been fun. Thanks so much
for reaching out and offering always fun.

695
00:47:57.280 --> 00:47:59.440
We will stay in touch. I'll
get you back on here at some point.

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All right, all right, folks, that is Brady Keel on the

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Day of Carter program. It's scary, but we love it. That's right.

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We've got Halloween coming up, and
not just Halloween, we've got the

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00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:32.079
election coming up. How which do
you think is the scariest of those two

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events. That's a tough call.
I know. Well, here's the easier

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00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:42.320
call. Your voice. Your voice
deserves to be heard on election day.

702
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:45.599
You may not even agree with me, that's okay. You had your right

703
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:47.480
to be heard at the ballot box
was fought for and secured, and you

704
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:51.760
owe it to yourself, your family, and our country to have your voice

705
00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:55.599
heard at the ballot box. So
that's my lecture for the day. It's

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00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:59.840
a sacred duty, and I urge
you, urge you to use it,

707
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:01.360
and I mean now and then I'll
keep bringing you some of the best voices,

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00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:05.480
the best minds, and the best
commentary out there and invite you to

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00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:07.639
listen in and enjoy your own conclusions. Now, if you've enjoyed the show

710
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:09.880
today and you'd like to hear more
of this kind of thing, I'll read

711
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:13.519
a collection on my columns and essays
and all that kind of fun stuff.

712
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:16.280
I invite you to go on over
to Dave Carter online dot com, where

713
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:19.760
you'll find a lot of a lot
more of this kind of thing from articles

714
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:22.159
I've written over the years, some
of that predate Ricochet back when I was

715
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:27.079
in the military traveling all over the
world, to current articles of interest that

716
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:30.039
others have written. And there's also
a page full of podcasts for a listening

717
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:35.519
pleasure, and the page called the
Inkwell and that's where I write more introspective

718
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.440
pieces for readers of my website.
Include some funny stories about life on the

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road when it's the trucker and some
says essays about what it's like to be

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00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:45.880
an introvert in a world and in
a line of work. There's pretty much

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00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:50.320
made to order for extroverts, but
see for yourself over Dave Carter online dot

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00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:53.679
com and check out the Inkwell page
and read all about it. The podcast

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here continues to grow as it's currently
heard all over the world. We're certainly

724
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:00.239
grateful for that. We're grateful that
you listened to so please week free to

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go on over to iTunes, give
us a five star rating if you feel

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00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:07.480
so inclined, and write your own
comments about the show. I do read

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them, and the more good ratings
we get, of course, the faster

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we grow and the better life gets. So with thanks and gratitude to Peter

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00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:16.199
Robinson for talking with us, and
to Brady Keel for sharing his experience and

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insights, and with special thanks as
always to you are the listener. I'm

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Dave Carter and I'll see you next
time. Thank you for listening to the

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Dave Carter Show. Don't forget to
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