Rob Long, Jenna Stocker, and the Prodigal Podcaster

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Broadcasting from the world's most beautiful beaches
in sunny Storida. Here's the soldier,

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storyteller, historian, how maybe a
bit of a hell raiser. It's Dave

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cartera and this is the Dave Carter
Show. If if folks, you heard

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that right, it's the return of
the prodigal podcaster Dave Carter, right smack

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in the middle of paradise, or
so it seems. This episode and all

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the subsequent episodes of this program for
the receivable future lease will originate right here

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on Florida's Emerald Coast. And I
am thrilled to be back here with you,

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guys, if back behind the mic, talking to you, my friends,

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my family, the extended family that
is this show's listenership. I've missed

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you guys terribly. It's it's been
interesting many many months now, and I

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don't know how many times over the
last quite a while, I've wanted to

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talk to you and tell you about
the crazy things that go on, especially

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in Memphis with all the crazy shinnanigans
to take place, but it just wasn't

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possible. But you best believe that
as soon as I got here to Florida,

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and I couldn't wait any longer to
fire up the sound kit and talk

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with you again. It's just been
too long. And who says it's too

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late to start again, at least
no one that I listened to it anyway.

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Now, for those of you who
may not be aware how all this

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came to be about, let me
give you the abbreviated version. And I

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say abbreviated because I've no interest in
some modeling or a tedious recitation of things

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that are essentially private matters. But
you're my friends and extended families. So

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the simple fact is that while there
are no heroes or villains in this story,

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nevertheless, it became clear, over
the course of the eight years that

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I spent in Memphis that the differences
between myself and the very sweet and delightful

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lady to whom I was married were
very real differences, it would ultimately prove

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incompatible. Doesn't mean that one person
was right the other person was wrong.

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However, our respective approach is to
life, our goals, priorities, lifestyles.

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The difference differences in those things over
time became simply insurmountable. The good

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news is that there's no animosity and
no contentiousness, just a sober realization of

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facts on the ground. Shelley and
I remained friends, and neither of us

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requested nor required anything from the other. We're both adults, after all,

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and very independent spirits. So the
divorce was amicable and life goes on as

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it should and as it must.
But there being no reason on this planet

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for me to remain in Memphis one
minute longer than necessary, I packed up

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and moved to Florida, where I've
lived off and on since nineteen eighty.

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It's my second home, after all, and since arriving here, I found

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gainful employment back in the world of
radio, So I've a bit of fun

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to do to retail, and I
found a pretty cool place to live about

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which more in due course, But
this is I got a lot of really

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lucked out here is so I'm very
happy, which brings us to the podcast

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into my happy time, which is
the time I spend talking with you and

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doing these programs. A new location, particularly one that's one hundred and eighty

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degrees opposite the location that left,
calls for a new approach and a new

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vibe, if you will. How's
that going to be different? You ask,

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Well, let me put it this
way, While we won't shy from

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discussing the issues of the day,
they won't predominate, and I'm not going

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to dwell them that to the exclusion
of the good things in life, Good

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things like compelling conversations with interesting people, for example, Good things like a

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good laugh, usually expensive the host
here for example, Good things like talking

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with good people and the good folks
of Ricochet, where people from all walks

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of life gather to converse and debate
and commiserate and share their varied perspectives and

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experiences. We really are more than
the sum of our political differences, after

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all. And while there are those
who seek to politicize and thereby getting our

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heads with these ubiquitous ideological tentacles that
reach into every aspect of our lives,

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on this show we resist that impulse. This is where we can disagree and

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still be friends, after all.
So so relax, poor your favorite libation,

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unless you're driving, in which case
you should pull over and then pour

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your favorite libation. And as we
say back in my home state of Louisiana,

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we're going to pass a good time. Yeah, And what better way

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to do that than with our first
guest. So when it came time to

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put the inaugural episode of this latest
iteration, iteration of this crazy podcast together.

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I had to make a few decisions, a new introduction, for example,

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some new sounds, new graphic art, that kind of thing. And

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I wanted to have as my first
guest, someone right out the starting gate

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who doesn't always follow a set script, someone who's capable of surprises, Somebody

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who can take a conversational side trips
and they are both entertaining and their whimsical,

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and who's not necessarily bound by any
conventional protocol. But the President was

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unavailable, so I couldn't do that, and so so Ricochet, I co

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founded. Rob Long has agreed to
yet again take his life and reputation his

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own hands by appearing on this show. So for the few people who don't

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know who Rob is, he's a
regular on the show Gutfield, which airs

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at eleven pm Eastern weeknights on Fox
News, and I believe it is now

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the most the most watch late night
program out there. He was the executive

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producer for the TV show Cheers,
has been nominated for Emmy and Golden Globe

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Awards. He's also produced shows such
as Kevin Kin Wait along with Sullivan and

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son George and Leo, which starred
Bob Newhart and Den John Hurst. He

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writes record of columns for a National
Review. Has also appeared in The Wall

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Street Journal, Newsweek, Time,
Newsweek International, just to name a few

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or several. And it's a pleasure
to welcome him on the program again.

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Sir, how are you doing?
I'm doing well. Thanks for that.

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Like I feel like I feel like
I was on your other original your other

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kickoff podcasts. So I feel like
I'm either good good, good, good

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luck or bad luck for you.
Now you know you're good, You're good

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luck. Anything else that happens after
that strictly was on the shoulders of the

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host. That that's all that is. Yeah, that's exactly it. So

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are you still in the in the
New York City area? I am in

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New York City. I love it
too, by the way, But you

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do you know this? I'm sorry, I do. I know. I

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know everything people say about it.
It's kind of true. Although I feel

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like it's being over the sort of
over alarmed. Uh, people are sort

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of overlarmed about it. But um, because I remember when it was much

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worse. But it's no, it's
I still love it. I still love

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it. I mean, I'm not
saying I'll be here forever. I might

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want to share myself with another part
of part of the world. But why

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why should New York get all the
right exactly? Yeah, this is all

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all the all the all good personalities. It was a year ago or so

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one of my last podcasts before I
went into into hiding, basically was with

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Troy Cenek, and he lives in
the New York City area, at least

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he did at the time, and
he allowed us how he's really not a

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fan of the place now. When
he was running the Manhattan Institute, of

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course, it was more of like
a it's all about Manhattan, so that's

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what the name of the place is. But when he was gone from that,

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he's doing Kite and Key now and
uh, and he said, you

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know, I'm just not a real, real big fan of the place.

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You know, he is, and
I've actually just had lunch of them this

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week, okay, and he's doing
very well. But he, you know,

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he isn't really a New Yorker,
because I think he might be.

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He you know, he's maybe maybe
he's too smart. I don't know what

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the word is. Like, you
know, he just does. It's hard.

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The place really only works if you
decide that you're just gonna say,

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okay, fine, you know what
I'm gonna I'm gonna jump jump in.

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Yeah. And if you're a little
detached and you're maybe you know, a

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little cool, you're like, you
know, all you notice is that they

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have good restaurants all over the country, and they have, you know,

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good things all over the country,
and people in New York likeand I think

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they only have things. All the
good stuff is in New York. Um.

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Yeah, so that's that could be. I don't think they could be

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really irritating. Well, and my
my view on it is colored by having

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driven an eighty thousand pound eighteen wheeler
around the place and they didn't exactly welcome

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me with open arms. I saw
so many middle fingers. I thought I

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was at a practologist convention. So
it was that. But you know,

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and it looked pretty good in the
rearview mirror when I was getting that truck

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out of there. But there were
a few. You know, It's like

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I was in Boston one time and
the sky where he was just one gentleman.

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He was so polite, so deferential, so well spoken, so gracious.

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He was from India. But but
it worked out well, you know,

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for the moment. It worked out. If you change your mind and

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you want to move to Florida and
they'll let you out. Of course,

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the borders are open, you can
go. Yeah, just don't bring all

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these nuts with you, you know. Yeah, I mean that's all.

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You know. That's what's funny because
our friends in Texas and also friends in

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Florida, they all say the same
thing, that people come from other places

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for specific reasons. Um, and
then the minute they get there, they're

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like, well, let's see if
we can change this thing to be more,

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to be more like the thing that
we left that I left. Yeah

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yeah, um. Which I also
understand too that sty human spots, which

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is like to ruin the thing that
you just can't yeah. Yeah, okay,

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we call those locusts here in the
in Florida. But um, you

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know, but to tell them to
leave their che Guevara's shirts at home,

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at least do that much for us, please, well please, or don't

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you know, wear them, wear
them in the show down there in Miami

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and see how far you get down
the street right exactly. You might you

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might get a history lesson, but
it might be that it might be a

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five you know, a five knuckle
history lesson and when you're on the ground

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and they'll explain things to you.
Uh oh. Well, at the outside

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of the program, before you came
on, I kind of laid to the

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groundwork and I said that while I
won't shy away from discusses the new vibe

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of the show, by the way, well, I won't shy away from

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discussing current events. They're not going
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of the program. It's gonna be
a little bit more lighthearted. Part of

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that is because it's fun, but
part of it is simply because there are

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a lot more interesting things, quite
apart from politics that are going on,

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and I want to talk about that
too. Um. The other part of

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it, this is where you get
to be my therapist, as it usually

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are. The other part of it
is that, in my opinion, run

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a downward trajectory this point, and
the best the GOP is going to be

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able to do is to pause the
madness for a little while until the Left

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regains full control, at which point
they can resume wrecking the place. So

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I feel as if the ship is
kind of the set sail in that regard.

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So this show becomes something like a
hurricane party. We're gonna have We're

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gonna have a good time. All
hell's gonna break loose, but we're gonna

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relax and decompress and enjoy the time
while we can. So this, by

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the way, is where you tell
me that I'm nuts, So please feel

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free to do so at this point. Well, I mean I think,

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I mean, I mean, I
just as you know I'm I'm clearly I

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must be an incurable optimists because everything's
been trying to cure me of this for

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years. Um, you know here, I don't know about the party,

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right, I mean I have a
larger theory about the political parties, which

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is that like if you look at
the volatility in American politics and you know,

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twenty five or thirty years. I
mean, Nancy Pelosi is no longer

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the Speaker of the House, but
that's that's only because she was ben Speak

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of the House twice already, which
was sort of unprecedented. I mean,

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I mean, she's actually really good
at it. I mean, you know,

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you gotta give her credit. I
mean, I mean, I don't

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like her politics, but I think
she's she actually skilled, so I understand

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why she got the job. But
the the the the volatility the American people

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voted in the Democrat had Democrats in
for till nineteen ony four and then and

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then it long came to King Rich
and not only did he take over the

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House, but he sort of broke
the seal, and it went back and

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forth and back and forth and back
and forth, and we went in this

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country went from like you know,
we went from Clinton to Bush, and

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then after Bush we went to Obama, and then after Obama went all the

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way over to Trump, and then
after Trump we went to sort of Biden.

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What I think, but that kind
of seesaw means something, And I

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think what it means is that the
customer isn't doesn't like the product and um,

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and so it maybe it's time for
somebody. I mean, it's gonna

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have to be big and bold,
but somebody's gonna have to come in and

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come up with a third party or
another option for some of these people.

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I mean, you know, if
you look what happened in twenty twenty the

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Republicans are twenty twenty two Republicans,
is that they kind of went and they

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they surgically removed a few people from
the ballot that they didn't like that Republicans

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didn't like in Georgia and Wisconsin and
in Arizona especially, and you can see,

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you can just see from their vote
totals. Um, you know,

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the down ballot Republicans had got more
votes than the people at top of the

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ticket in some cases. So there's
this disaffection, and I think there's a

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disaffection of me. I don't know
any Democrats who think who tell me that

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they're thrilled with the Democratic Party,
that they like it. I mean mostly

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I only know conservative Democrats so in
general, but I don't know any that

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think everything's great and that the progressive
wing of the part of that party is

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doing terrific. So I don't I
kind of like, rather than the it's

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all going to hell, I think
it is. I think it is the

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old institutions, which were never supposed
to last that long, are going to

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are going and I think that's great. I mean, you know, like,

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we don't who cares Republican party,
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call it whatever you want. I
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another source of your um, your
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feel like I feel like the I
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like the people have it, have
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I hope I don't mind that,
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remember a few years ago Andy McCarthy's
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m and that, And that's that's
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marginal changes, uh, policy wise, and the Trump years there was some

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pretty significant policy changes, but as
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like a holding action. And then
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god, they go you know,
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is going to have enough of it
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to solidify their gains and get more
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they have been very successful at that. I think that's happening. Less that

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general. You can see just demographically, but um, yeah, you can

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see what the young people voted for
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and they did very well with young
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It they're they're never going to agree, but to like, just leave

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me alone a little bit, you
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the thing and telling me what to
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there's that movement, I think conservatives
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was in twenty sixteen when Rick Perry
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was running for president, and he
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government as inconsequential as possible in your
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right, you know, we should
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me alone, you know, right, and as long as we're as long

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as the conservative movement is is um, you know, it's really willing to

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Thanksgiving, the Pilgrims came here so
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which isn't really true. They came
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punishing other people back home for their
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the problem with school choice for conservatives
and for everybody is it it sounds terrific

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for you. It's just you're not
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choose, and and that that's something
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um, they have to they have
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to make it clear it's you know
what a lot of people are gonna be

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saying and doing a lot of dumb
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freedom and that's okay, right exactly. Well, Okay, so that was

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fun and i've I've okay, I'll
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sin, da despair is a sin
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get that boot butt almost custoer.
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take it. I'll take you.
Um. So I listened to an episode

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of of your Martini Shot program,
which fantastic, thank you. That's the

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one called pitch Face. Oh yeah, that was that was wonderful. You

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described selling an idea, given,
an idea for We're a given show to

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people who support you need and they
need a show, great commentary, and

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it all called to mind my current
line of work. So with your kind

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of indulgence, I'm going to ask
your advice right here where everyone else can

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listen. Because part of what I
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calls in person to various businesses to
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You know which they do that,
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what they the audience you're looking for. I've got several different stations, all

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kinds of formats, and the demographics
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the business is, I probably have
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right, But I gotta tell you
it's daunting, you know, for

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me to walk into someone's business uninvited
and say hi, I'm a broadcaster and

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I'm here to help u. At
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you know. But well you know
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wait, you're I don't want to
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know, whenever they do, you
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people you know, you know,
among the people you don't trust at all?

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Who are those people? It's always, well, I don't trust the

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Senator and don't trust my trust.
But people really don't trust media. They

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don't trust it and they never have, but it's now, it's unbelievable.

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you'll never get. You trust him
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New York Times and all that's true. And then you ask, well what

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do you trust? What media do
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like, I don't mean in a
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but by a factor of ten.
Maybe they trust local media. They

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like their local paper, They like
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radio, they like local and that
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it's closer to them, the more
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say to you all those advertisers is
like, this is where you want to

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be. You want to be on
a trusted a place where people like listening

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to it and they trust it.
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to keep. And and it's true. I mean, you know, you

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look at local newspapers and stuff like
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really rely on. And I mean
it sounds silly, right, but if

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they if they tell you the movie
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that's wrong that you know is wrong
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around the corner, you know it. You just know it. And they

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just tend to be better. Um. So that would be what I would

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say. And we and we still
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yeah. And the further are you, the further removed that you are as

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local media from national media for example, automatically you get more benefit of the

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doubt. Right. So right,
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Mexico speaking to local media. This
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I'm the night before they had called
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and nothing happened. I woke up
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just as brown as the lunar surface, as I call. I renamed the

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state Oblivia because there was nothing.
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that was the same thing when I
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continued snow today. I'm like,
okay, all right, did they don't

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or it's just that this guy is
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right, and so many, so
many thanks to UH to tell me

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media groups buying up these local stations. A lot of radio stations now are

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are a computer in a closet.
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that does their their morning drive,
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in a closet. So dumb,
so dumb, I know. When well,

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anyway, there's another top topic.
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nineties when all then all this was
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flavor. But the sales staff is
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out the businesses. So yeah,
look, I mean, you know,

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if you have a business, you
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How do you do that? And
you've got to advertise. I mean

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I don't know. Yeah, you
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I can make the appointments though,
So do you have any pointers in

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terms of selling these people that now
that helps tell them you know that local

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media is trusted. Um, yeah, I mean it's true, right,

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where do you want to put your message

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for your your your business? Right? You want to put it where people

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like in You want to be in
the best possible company. Yeah, you

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don't want to be in uh you
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be with the winners of people.
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be listening intently and trusting what he
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that's kind of how giant brands were
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the TV and radio and the twenties
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say okay, we're or everyone's we're
gonna be different now. I mean,

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you know, people are the same, like you read if you read old

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stuff like old I mean, you
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I read a bunch of those for
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reading those last summer, and it's
just funny, like like, oh,

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they're just personalities that you recognize all
these people. Yeah right, they're just

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doing the stuff that's they're they're they're
behaving in a dumb way that people have

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behaved forever, or they're behaving in
a smart way. And when they were

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they reflect Whenever these Marcus Aurelius types
or Alius people reflect on why something happened,

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it's always because people are just you
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when they shouldn't be. Last question. Uh, and I normally do this

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when every time that you're on,
but and especially now it's important for me

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at least because I've I've been absent
for Ricochet. Uh not totally, but

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quite a bit because of recent events
and you know, changing changing cities and

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all that kind of stuff. Uh
So, how are things at Ricochet You

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call it a good ship ricochet,
But things going well on the site,

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um, I mean, there's a
there's two ways to look at it.

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someone is as as a community.

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I think the community is doing great. I think that I think it went

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through a little bit of trouble with
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which is the um there's two distinct
camps, right, Yeah, and

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it's like they couldn't had a hard
time. I just had a hard time

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sort of like agreeing to disagree on
this one small thing which wasn't small obviously,

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which is kind of what he does. That's kind of a Trump thing,

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which is one of the ways in
which I think he's been successful,

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which is to you know, identify
the true believers and then you stick with

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them. Yeah, I mean it's
not it's not. I mean, it's

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nothing new. As he said,
It's like I get it. But I

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just I hope I suspect that's that
that is a thing of the past,

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that um that you know, this
would just be this this period that we

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agree to disagree on. Um,
well, I can't really disagree on the

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outcomes because the outcomes were whatever they
were, right, But you could disagree

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on a lot of other things.
But but again all that seems are seems

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less relevant now. I mean I
think you can you should feel it from

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the electorate. This kind of like
well new I want to turn the page

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on. American voter is always about
turning the page. Um, and I

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think probably too. So it's a
community I'm very very excited about. It

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is a business. You know.
Look, um it probably needs you know,

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as we're getting giving it a refresh
short of its eventually. Um,

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you know, we've taken on some
more partners I think to help kind of

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guide it and maybe me be a
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that we just were kind of out
of gas on ourselves and so long.

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I don't think it's going anywhere. I

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think it's gonna stick around and and
uh and what I hope is that it

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grows because I think, Um,
I mean, I like all the people

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on it, and I think I
like the conversations, and I don't I

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don't. I just don't see anyone
else doing it. No, not not

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no, And I'm not seeing any
sight before or since Ricochet started that has

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the level of comments and conversation.
I mean we're not We're not three comments

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and calling someone a Nazi because they
have a different chocolate chip pot cookie recipe,

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you know. Yeah right, I
mean that's that all that is true.

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So I mean and and um,
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it's it's as good as the members. So right right, I guess,

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wonderful name. What's this I hear
about a New Orleans meet up? Yeah,

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so there's gonna be one, and
I don't quite know when. It

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hasn't really been set, and we
don't really want to set them because we

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want the you know, people who's
organizing. SU. I think it's going

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to be during the um French Quarter
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dates for that. I thought every
day was a French Quarter festival there.

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that one day they celebrate there,
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like it's it's a it's a I
honestly, I don't mean this to sound

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like dismissive, but I think it's
a made up holiday, the made up

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event that takes place between um,
you know Easter and um jazz Fest.

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So an event for these the official event

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which is slow season right right,
No, it's not, it's I don't

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00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:10.559
quite know what it is, but
I do think, um, uh that

409
00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:14.319
it's just nice that we're doing more
of them. Yeah yeah, yeah,

410
00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:18.599
well I'm definitely h randy. Why
why Voda reached out to me and told

411
00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:22.039
me about it, and I'm like, I think I want to do this

412
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:25.960
and I'm not. But about three
and a half four hours you know from

413
00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:30.000
New Orleans. Now, um,
it's changed, it's changed since I've been

414
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.839
there. They've they've got some more
issues, uh with with the criminal activity.

415
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:36.880
But if you if you know where
to go, you know, in

416
00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:40.400
the French Quarter, and you kind
of know the ground rules, stay where

417
00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:41.279
the groups of people are, that
kind of thing, you'll be fine.

418
00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:45.400
Yeah that's always been the case.
There actually always been the case there,

419
00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:48.440
I kind of you know, I
mean, I love that city. I

420
00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:55.440
think in cities it's got it has
so much specific character, um, you

421
00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:59.200
know, and you live in a
world in which, um, I mean

422
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:03.440
sometimes. I mean I was traveling
what's going is in Europe recently and I

423
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:04.880
was like, I don't know.
I had like three two days where I

424
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:08.240
was in between things and I was
just like walking around and you're walking around

425
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.599
a big city in Europe, it
doesn't really matter what and it just looks

426
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:15.039
like I mean, it looks it's
beautiful. Right Obviously it's people. But

427
00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.039
you know the shops, the name
of the stores, they're the same stores

428
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:21.720
that you have here, right right. I mean, if you you know,

429
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:23.519
get and you drive the mall,
they're going to be those stores.

430
00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:26.920
And if you go to the really
fancy mall, gonna be the fancy names

431
00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:30.079
and the rest of it's going to
be the same. New Orleans just doesn't

432
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:33.440
have that. They just do not. They have opted out of that of

433
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:36.240
the same yeah in a lot of
ways, which I think is so great,

434
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:37.359
which whatever reason, I like it. It's like it's like going into

435
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:41.880
another country really and I love it. I love it. In fact,

436
00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:45.519
I don't know if if you're aware
of this, but there's a radio station

437
00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:47.880
out there that plays a whole lot
of New Orleans music and you can you

438
00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:51.640
can listen to it on the internet. Is it wwoz No, No,

439
00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:56.039
it's it's called The Tiger by you
Blues and Rock. It's the same less

440
00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:00.000
plug. But why not just my
show? Yeah, it is shameless,

441
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:02.400
so so elegant. I didn't even
know you're doing it. I thought you

442
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:04.640
were actually telling me something I didn't
know. Yeah, you can take it

443
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:08.680
in twenty four to seven wherever you
go, right right, I got some

444
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:14.160
Cajun uh Christmas bearsic right now,
Boudreau got run over by mud boat.

445
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:17.960
I mean, how good is that? You know, it's pretty good.

446
00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:19.440
Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, I mean that's one of the means

447
00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:22.920
I love it because when you go
down there and you and especially for you

448
00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:26.200
from New York, right, yeah, you're you're used to just like,

449
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:30.039
well, I'm from New York,
so I live in New York, and

450
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.240
like that ends all conversation, even
if it even if you're in London or

451
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:37.319
you're in Milan or Paris. When
you say, I mean, let's I

452
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.799
live in New York. Um,
you know, there's like you're elevated because

453
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:42.680
you must know, you must know
everything because everything's in New York. And

454
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:45.640
then um, if you go to
New Orleans and you mentioned New York is

455
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.799
something. They just look at you
like what do you no interest? Like

456
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:52.039
zero? No, not to be
oh show, I'm so sorry me.

457
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:55.359
Oh yeah, well you'll come down. I'll buy you some red beans in

458
00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:56.759
your eyes. You'll have a good
time and you get over that New York

459
00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:02.039
crap real quick. Do you have
any um, you know, do you

460
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:03.359
have any restaurants up there? People
saying yeah, we have a few,

461
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:07.039
Like are they any good? Like? Well, not as good as this

462
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:11.640
they make? Do they make our
room? Yeah? This story, Um,

463
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:14.440
I don't know. I told you
this. I heard the story years

464
00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:18.119
ago when um, after Katrina,
when the in the streets are flooded and

465
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:22.000
you know, people are in roal
trouble. So the great New Orleans chef

466
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.160
John Bash who ran a bunch of
restaurants there and then and has now I

467
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:27.599
think has had a little bit of
me too trouble. So he's kind of

468
00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:33.519
gone gone quiet. But he,
um, you know, he had still

469
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:40.319
had had his working kitchens up,
so he started just making red beans and

470
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:45.039
by the you know, by the
vat and then he had a bunch of

471
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:52.119
like electric boats and he would go
and basically cruise around the town the flooded

472
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:56.960
streets and on his boat and try
to rescue people unfeed them. And so

473
00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:00.680
he's one dire guy. He's like, I think it's on the roof or

474
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:03.640
on the roof of his car,
and he's been there for a day and

475
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:08.759
it's really rough. And um,
they cruise over to him and they give

476
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:11.279
him some water and you know,
this is really they saved his life.

477
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.480
And he's sitting there and so he
gives him some red beans and he gives

478
00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:18.519
him a bowl a little little um, you know, paper ball of red

479
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.119
beans and he the guy, so
thank you and he um takes a bite

480
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:26.119
of them and he's hmm, they're
not really like my grandmother made. And

481
00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:32.079
then he hands them back like okay, I just how can you not love

482
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:33.640
this? Oh my gosh, Yeah, yeah, no, this is this

483
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.720
is not on duy sausage. We
try again, go, try again,

484
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:41.039
you come back. We'll see how
it works next time. Yeah, bless

485
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:45.880
your heart, right, yeah exactly, Oh my gosh. Well this has

486
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.640
been fun. It always is fun, but this has been great. I'm

487
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:56.279
you know, and I and I
I I endorse uh the slight rebalancing of

488
00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:02.880
um the content from all public affairs, all politics all the time to uh,

489
00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:04.359
you know, we have the stuff
that it's more important. It'll be

490
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:07.720
a little bit of decompression. Yeah, it'll be. It's a good hurricane

491
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.920
party. We'll have the drinks.
You know, you got the whole family

492
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:15.000
around the bar, their grandkids and
everybody else. You're pour a bourbon and

493
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:18.000
you know, wait for the Wednesday
come from. No, it's it's just

494
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:19.160
gonna be different. It's gonna be
different. Okay, all right, I'm

495
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.599
gonna I'm gonna hold you too that
I'm gonna I'm gonna roll with it too.

496
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:26.920
Yeah. Life is life is good, exactly, all right, my

497
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.599
friend, this has been wonderful.
Thank you so much, A lot of

498
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:33.240
fun could talk to. Alright,
take care, folks. That's Rob Long

499
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:49.839
on the Dave Carter program. Dave, Hey, baby, So are you

500
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:52.920
ready for Christmas? Because ready or
not, it's coming for you like a

501
00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:56.960
like a herd of shoppers. Man, I'm glad I'm not dealing with that

502
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:59.680
anymore. This year. I'll tell
you what I shook off retail like i'd

503
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:01.799
shake off the flu. In fact, this will be the first year in

504
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:05.400
a very long time that I can
honestly say that I look forward to the

505
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.119
holidays. But what about you,
because if you're not sure what to do

506
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:12.000
for the holidays as well, you
can always you know, leap one hundred

507
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:15.240
dollar bill where I can find it. But here's an idea that won't cost

508
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:19.240
you a thing, not one thin
time. Because why you're at running around

509
00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:22.880
doing your shopping or head into a
bar because you're tired of shopping. If

510
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:24.880
you have your phone with you,
then you have access to some really,

511
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:29.599
really fun tunes and it's all for
free. Now what might you be saying,

512
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:32.519
Dave, why is this a shameless
plug? I'd say, yes,

513
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:36.920
brothers and sisters, it is a
shameless plug, but it's free for you,

514
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:38.839
So why not you see a little
over a year ago, I purchased

515
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:44.079
my own internet radio station and it's
now listened to across this country and even

516
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:46.920
in various other countries around the world. It's called the Tiger Buy you Blues

517
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:50.519
and Rock. Now you may be
wondering why you want to listen to,

518
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.440
you know, blues and rock and
zydeco and New Orleans jazz at Christmas time,

519
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:57.319
because there's more to it than that. This time of year, I

520
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:01.000
got some great tunes, good killer
Christmas tunes, Why Bob Rivers version of

521
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:06.319
walking in a winter Wonderland. It's
called walking around and women's underwear. We

522
00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:09.960
got your Christmas blues tunes like I'm
your backdoor Santa Baby, I've got deck

523
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:15.079
the Halls with Boogie Boogie Louisiana Christmas
Day by Aeron Neville who was a very

524
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:17.440
talented singer in New Orleans. He's
got that milk dudge thing over his eyelid,

525
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:22.000
but I loved here him saying we
changed out. Grandma got run over

526
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.440
by reindeer for one called Boudeau,
got run over by mudboat, trans Siberian

527
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:30.759
Orchestras. There, Mannheim, steam
Roller, Louis Armstrong, all playing your

528
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:32.960
Christmas favorites, and it's all on
the Tiger by you Blues and Rock.

529
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:37.559
You can find that, by the
way, by going to Dave Carter online

530
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:45.279
dot com slash Tiger Dash Radio,
Dash Blues Dash Rock, Stay Quarter Online

531
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:49.799
Slash Tiger Dash Radio, Dash Blues
Dash Rock, or go to the Live

532
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:52.079
three sixty five app on your phone. Search there for the Tiger and you'll

533
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:58.000
see the logo pop up done by
Rickersse's own EJ. Hill. Click on

534
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:00.559
that bad boy and off you go. So enjoy your day, enjoy your

535
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:05.079
commute with the Tiger. Buy you
blues and rock. I'm telling you,

536
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:07.839
you're gonna like this thing. You're
gonna love this thing to death, y'all.

537
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:31.280
I sound like the blues, yeah, Mason. You know. A

538
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:35.320
few months ago I wrote an article
on Ricochet about having moved to Florida,

539
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:37.480
and I mentioned that I'd be cranking
up the podcast again. And there's a

540
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:40.440
lady who's a member of Ricochet.
She goes by the screen name of Blondie,

541
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:44.719
and she wrote that she hoped I'd
bring back the blues music to the

542
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:47.559
podcast. Well, there's not a
lot of things on this planet I'd rather

543
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:52.920
do than play blues and play it
everywhere. I'll tell you something else,

544
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:55.519
guys, there isn't much else I'd
rather do than tell you about what you

545
00:34:55.519 --> 00:35:00.719
can find it Ricochet, especially the
various podcast offerings you'll find on the Ricochet

546
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:06.679
Audio Network. My friend Nick Plotter
has a show dedicated to telling the story

547
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:09.320
about those who have served in our
armed forces, and it's called The Half

548
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:13.639
Percent Podcast. Nick's a great guy. He's helped me out over the years

549
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:16.239
too, so he's fantastic and you'll
love his show. Former Secretary of Education

550
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:21.440
Bill Bennett has a show with us, as does best selling author Andrew Cleveland.

551
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:25.199
Commentary Magazine's got a podcast with us. And you may know Byron York.

552
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:30.039
He's the chief political correspondent for the
Washington Examiner. You'll see him on

553
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:32.360
Fox Lot. He's one of these
guys that he shoot straight with you.

554
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:36.360
You know, he's got all the
restruction of the facts to back up the

555
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:38.320
things that he reports, so he's
not going to just throw some crazy idea

556
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:43.239
out there and call you a fascist
if you disagree. He does his homework

557
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:46.440
and he's got a great podcast on
Ricochet as well, And of course Ricochet's

558
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:51.440
flagship podcast featuring Rob Long, who
you heard from just a few minutes ago

559
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:54.639
in this program, along with our
Ricochet co founder and President Reagan speechwriter Peter

560
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:59.840
Robinson, and they always intriguing James
Lilacs. Now, those three gentlemen engage

561
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:05.079
some of the most interesting minds and
personalities across the country right here on the

562
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:09.400
Ricochet podcast. So whatever your interest, chances are you're here and something here,

563
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:14.960
see something fresh or interesting perspectives on
that topic right here on Ricochet,

564
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:17.199
so you want to learn more,
of course you do. Check out ricochet

565
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:21.719
dot com, where you can read
and hear a lot of great people,

566
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:23.719
and who knows, maybe you'll be
interested in becoming a part of the events

567
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:28.159
here, start writing your own articles
for the whole world to see. Again,

568
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:36.639
go to ricochet dot com, where
you can join the conversation newsmakers,

569
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:43.880
celebrities, houses, pundits as people
to all here, all on the date

570
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:57.599
causes show. All right now,
for those of you who may not remember

571
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.760
or simply haven't heard this show before, this what's coming up now is what

572
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:05.360
we call the fun part, because
this is the part of the show where

573
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:07.599
I get to talk with various members
of the Ricochet community, which is as

574
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:10.559
good a point as any to pause
and invite you to become part of that

575
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:15.000
community. And who knows, you
could wind up being afflicted with an interview

576
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:17.280
from the host here as well.
In this instance, however, I couldn't

577
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:21.920
think of a better guest to have
for the show's relaunched than my friend Jenna

578
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:24.480
Stoker. Jenna's a Marine Corps veteran. She was a researcher at the Center

579
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:29.360
for Security Policy think tank, and
her work has appeared here on Ricochet,

580
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:31.719
of course, and over at The
Federalist, on National Review, in Newsweek,

581
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:37.400
among other publications. And she's the
managing editor of Thinking Minnesota. She's

582
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:42.960
appeared on Newsmax, on This Crazy
Program before, and Airport Radar and all

583
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.159
over the place. I guess so, And I should add that if you

584
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:50.400
haven't checked out her page over its
substack, you're missing a feast of cultural

585
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:54.400
commentary on a micro and a macro
scale, and its articles and everything from

586
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:59.199
what Happened to the Great American Novel
to an essay called A Woman's Place is

587
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:02.400
where the domestic goddess meets Woman of
the Year. It's a remarkable piece.

588
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:07.480
And because all those activities apparently are
not enough to occupy her time, Jenna

589
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:12.559
and her husband have what appears to
be a rather rambunctious little boy. And

590
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:15.800
he's he's what a year old?
Now? Oh yeah, he was a

591
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:19.280
year at the end of August,
so from the photos, I mean,

592
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.840
has a grinning little guy. He's
pretty cute. He's got dimples. He's

593
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:27.800
got dimples from here to New Year's
even back. So um, And somehow

594
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:30.440
Jenna made time to talk with us
today, after which one assumes she will

595
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:35.280
I ask to be sedated. I
guess, so, Jenna, how are

596
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.880
you? I'm great, David.
It's it's an extreme honor to be here

597
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:43.199
and join you on this relaunch.
So thank thank you for inviting me.

598
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:45.800
Thank you, Welcome to the show. I hesitate to ask, mainly because

599
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:50.280
this question is coming from Florida,
But so, how's how's the weather?

600
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:58.320
I know you had to do it. It's it's a lovely crisp you know.

601
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:01.400
I think we got to maybe today
day when the sun came out.

602
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:06.440
Right now, it looks like it's
fourteen. We had eight inches of snow

603
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:12.599
yesterday, so we're shoveling out and
uh trying not to crash our cars.

604
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:15.920
Well, yes, a balmy eighteen. When when did it start snowing?

605
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:20.679
Was that just after July the fourth? Or wind wind? Well that's when

606
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:24.440
we kind of kick off the snow
from last Okay, okay, yeah,

607
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:29.920
Now what time of year does it
actually begin to snowing in earnest h You

608
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:32.519
know, we while our most the
big blizzard it was in nineteen ninety one.

609
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:37.960
That was the Halloween blizzard October thirty
first, and we had I think

610
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:42.519
over a foot of snow over two
days, so it can be anywhere.

611
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:50.039
Um, you know, September,
October. I think the only month we

612
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:55.719
haven't gotten snow, I believe is
August or maybe July. M think there's

613
00:39:55.760 --> 00:40:00.079
one or one or two months in
Minnesota we haven't had measurable snow. Go

614
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:01.719
buddy of mine, Well you makee
you've heard me talk about him before.

615
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:06.840
Bob Lee was my trainer in the
history field, and he used to be

616
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:10.519
stationed at my not in North Dakota. Why not my not right? And

617
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:15.400
he said there was one tree on
base and that on one day, on

618
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:19.639
a certain day every year, everyone
would gather around that tree and in the

619
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:22.440
morning these little green buds would come
out, you know, and and by

620
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:27.320
noon they're in full bloom. It's
beautiful tree, you know. And the

621
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:30.440
sun is out in about two o'clock
in the afternoon, the leaves fade.

622
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:32.559
By four o'clock they've fallen off the
tree. It's winter again, and everybody

623
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:37.840
goes home. So yeah, lost, Minnesota's need need someone to be to,

624
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:45.400
you know, feels pityon the yeah, all right, okay, okay.

625
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:50.159
So there's there's a piece that you
wrote, uh presumably as you were

626
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:52.880
preparing for Thanksgiving. I guess at
your home and you referenced an old Betty

627
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:59.000
Crocker cookbook, which I'm pretty sure
about all of us can remember that as

628
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:02.000
being a fixture in our parents or
grandparents' kitchens. It's just it was just

629
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:06.599
part of life there. So if
you with your indulgence, as is my

630
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:10.360
custom, I generally quote something from
your articles, So fasten your seatbelt.

631
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:16.320
But this is good. This is
from the article Women's Places, where the

632
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:22.519
Domestic Goddess meets Women of the year. You write nothing happens without consequences.

633
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:28.000
We have more women who feel who
feel unfulfilled by an identity that relies exclusively

634
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:31.039
on their careers. We have more
women delaying marriage and children. We have

635
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:36.360
more women who are affected by depression
and anxiety, and who feel confused about

636
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:40.360
their role in society. We have
more driftless men and anxious children. There's

637
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:45.719
a breakdown security, happiness, meaning, and fulfillment, all things that start

638
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:50.239
in the home and rely on a
strong family foundation. We are told that

639
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:53.320
women can have it all without telling
us what it all is. And I

640
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:58.480
have a feeling I could find it
in the pages of an old worn nineteen

641
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:05.079
fifty six cookbook than my Google assistant
end quote. That's a mouthful and I

642
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:08.880
let mean just reading it, but
I mean there's there's there's something wistful there.

643
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:15.679
There's my interpretation leads, is that
something Obviously we've lost something foundational,

644
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:20.639
something important, some link that was
very useful. So looking to get your

645
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:22.360
own. I mean, you've got
you're keeping all kinds of things together at

646
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:28.159
one time, following your muse,
you're writing, working that you you know,

647
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:30.800
trying to keep the kid I get
to swinging from the drapes or whatever.

648
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:34.480
I mean, how hard is it
for you personally to try and find

649
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:39.480
that balance between those things and keep
tethered to those foundational things that you would

650
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:44.320
find in a cookbook or from your
own family traditions. Yeah, I think,

651
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:46.679
Um, you know, I don't
uh well, I was raised you

652
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:50.679
know, in a in a two
parent household with with a bunch of brothers

653
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:53.880
and then um uh, I was
the youngest, and you know, both

654
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:59.480
my parents worked full time and um, you know, and my mother's mother

655
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:02.239
that I the one I wrote about
the head the cookbook. Originally you know,

656
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:07.159
she was a pretty much a stay
at home mom um, which was

657
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:10.320
not uh, which is pretty common, you know, for the time,

658
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:15.039
and so we really only a couple
of generations removed from that. And and

659
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:24.280
I think the pressures that women have
burdened themselves with because of messages we've gotten

660
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:30.840
in society that you really to be, um, a success or to you

661
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:35.400
know, you have to be independent
and be your own woman and and make

662
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:38.679
you know, be a careerist.
Uh you know. But a lot of

663
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:44.360
us to just want half families too, So it's really hard to you know,

664
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:49.880
you finally you go through college or
or you take a trade or a

665
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.719
certain track, and then um,
you know, you're kind of like,

666
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:54.719
well, this is I guess what
I'm supposed to do, uh, you

667
00:43:54.760 --> 00:44:00.480
know, and you kind of push
off, you know, maybe finding a

668
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:05.920
husband and and um, you know, kids, and get caught up in

669
00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:08.159
this identity you think you're supposed to
have. And then you look back and

670
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:12.239
you say, well, you mean
it wasn't so bad, you know what

671
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:15.599
I would if iably just want to
be a mom and and but you're getting

672
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:19.840
all these messages saying that, oh, that's that's just the patriarchy, or

673
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:22.639
or you're just you're being oppressed and
you don't even realize it, right,

674
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:27.800
Yeah, exactly exactly. So,
um, but man, it's it's give

675
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:31.599
them the choice, you know,
and it's it's hard, it's it's I

676
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:38.239
think it's especially difficult in this environment
now because it is so hard to want

677
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:44.119
to raise a family and and be
able to afford a stay at home parents,

678
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:46.960
whether that's a dad or a mom. And I think that's it just

679
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:52.000
adds another really serious later too,
dual incomes. It's bractically a necessity now,

680
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.920
Yeah, it's it's it's incredibly hard. I mean, I can't you

681
00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:01.000
know, we live very frugally.
We don't. We've never taken a vacation

682
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:04.639
together, never had a honeymoon.
I mean, we have a small house.

683
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:08.559
Um, you know, we have
we own our own cars, but

684
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:14.000
they're old, so you know,
and it's and it's and it's you know,

685
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:16.920
still kind of paycheck to paycheck,
so we both work full time.

686
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:22.280
And it's uh so I feel like
sometimes it's almost a luxury to be able

687
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.840
to have a stay at home parent
now instead of the other way around,

688
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:29.280
where I think it used to look
like, oh my gosh, well you're

689
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:32.559
so advanced and you're so progressive.
If if the mom is able to go

690
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:37.599
out and work, and and this
that and the other and and it's it's

691
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:43.079
you don't realize how fulfilling being a
mom can be and to care for and

692
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:46.000
to build a home until you do
it. Until you realize, Man,

693
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:50.880
all those messages were just a bunch
of bs. Yeah, uh, you

694
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:55.119
know, and and I just I
it's very difficult for young women, I

695
00:45:55.159 --> 00:46:00.159
think now, um, to look
through that and to just trust their instincts

696
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:04.440
when everyone tells you not to.
Everyone's saying your instincts or the result of

697
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:07.960
the patriarchy, and you're being impressed. Yeah, now this is this is

698
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:12.679
like a solving world hunger questions.
So it's probably not so feel free to

699
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:15.199
tell me, you know, to
go play with my nose or something.

700
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:16.239
But I mean, is there is
there an answer to that? Is there

701
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:20.880
a way to get back to that
kind of kind of I mean it's tough

702
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:22.960
to practice of them in your own
personal life if if you're struggling paycheck to

703
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:28.000
paycheck and that takes two incomes,
right, well, I think you know,

704
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.960
I think, um, you know, there are some some sacrifices and

705
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:35.840
and um, you know we've we've
talked a lot about you know, my

706
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:37.800
husband and I about how to make
it work, and it is difficult,

707
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:46.880
but I think, um, I
think there's there's ways to make a family

708
00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:55.199
structure more traditional, even if it
is a two parent working family. I

709
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:58.880
don't know if that makes any sense. No, yeah, there there's the

710
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:01.239
things that you that you've value with
the home, family time versus sitting in

711
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:04.920
front of the TV all the time, for example, making time for each

712
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:07.559
other and for the for the kids. Yeah, and slowing down and and

713
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:13.760
just and saying no to the to
the keeping up with the Jones is kind

714
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:16.360
of mentality which is really not your
neighbors now. I feel like I think

715
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:22.639
it's more of keeping up with with
consumerism. Um, if the commercials you

716
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:25.599
do see on TV or that show
up in your Facebook feed or the things

717
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:35.440
that perfect lives and right right,
yeah they can they can. You know,

718
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:37.599
uh, I don't know what it
is edited out the kid hanging from

719
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:44.199
the drapes like you said, you
know, so there's a blur function that

720
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:45.880
you can put on the screen and
kind of yeah, kin blur that out.

721
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:51.079
Yeah that's good. Um, I'm
looking at your at your substack.

722
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:52.519
And by the way, folks,
you should you want to yourself to check

723
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:57.400
this out. There substack pages is
called a Pilgrim's Progress, and you can

724
00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:00.760
find that that Jenna Stalker dot sub
stack dot com. This Jenna Stalker dot

725
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:04.760
subact dot com. I see an
essay. I mean, there's all kinds

726
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.800
of topics here. It's really cool. You got Frank Sinatra for president.

727
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:12.079
I like that. Uh. And
there's another one called the Past Spoiled to

728
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:15.800
Present. Then they're searching for searching
for purpose in America, losing what we

729
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:22.599
thought, no, losing what we
never thought we could. I commiserate with

730
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:24.519
you here. I think, if
I may be so bold, I'm seeing

731
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:30.039
a yearning again for a return to
the foundational ethos, the character that defined

732
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:34.119
the American spirit. I hope it
isn't lost completely, but I worry sometimes

733
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:38.320
what about you? Yeah? Absolutely, And I think, Um, sometimes

734
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:45.239
it takes us being in fast forward
mode so much that when we finally pause

735
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:49.400
and we look back and we realize
what we got lost in the shuffle.

736
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:54.239
Yeah, and um, what we've
kind of cast aside. Probably it was

737
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:58.440
more valuable than we thought it was. Right. Um, you know Chester

738
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:02.159
Chesters and fent fences. Um is
kind of a good kind of thing I

739
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:06.800
returned to, you know, people
are so intent on just tearing fences down

740
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:08.840
without asking, well, maybe they
were there for a reason, you know,

741
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:15.400
and obviously that's taking a lot of
liberties. Well, apologize all the

742
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:22.920
gesture, didn't. Um, Well, an important lesson I think that you

743
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:27.280
in your pieces that you write,
I mean your own experience, reading so

744
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:31.079
many different novelists and books and great
books, and it's it's obvious. So

745
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:35.800
drawing from that wealth of knowledge in
your own experience, how do you come

746
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:37.760
up? How do you decide what
topics you're going to write about next?

747
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:40.760
Does it is it an epiphany?
Does it come to you one night you

748
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:45.440
wake up? Yeah? Actually,
I think I've referenced a little bit.

749
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:49.480
I spent a lot of nights just
laying staring into the dark dark. I

750
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.679
don't sleep very well and a lot
of times this is something that's been kind

751
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:55.320
of gnawing at the back of my
brain for a while. Yeah. So

752
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:00.280
well, okay, so um,
this is the part of the pod cast,

753
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:04.719
and I'm going to turn over to
you as as we as we discussed

754
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:07.719
because this is my first podcast from
the new gigs here, So folks,

755
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:10.840
I'm going to be the interviewee for
a little bit here and I have no

756
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:15.440
idea what you're going to ask.
I do have something to drink. This

757
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:19.719
is the whole reason I agreed to
come on the show, because firing minds

758
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:23.559
want to know. Yes to your
your loyal audience and the new listeners.

759
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:29.880
For an introduction, it's God blesshem. Okay, so you've recently moved to

760
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:35.159
Florida, David, Now, how
um? First of all, how was

761
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:37.880
the trip? How was the packing? And the process? Is moving as

762
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:42.239
terrible as as you know, disrupting
your life? I think a lot of

763
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:45.920
people, especially in this last you
know a couple of years, have have

764
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:50.800
considered moving or you know, from
loose states to red states, have been

765
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:54.199
frustrated with where they're you know,
whether it's crime or the schools. Um,

766
00:50:54.239 --> 00:51:00.239
what do you have any recommendations for
people or how how hard is it

767
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:04.079
for you? And do you have
any pointers for people? Advice? You

768
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:07.880
guys want to leave bad enough?
Because in my case, I moved myself,

769
00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:12.480
so I didn't call you know,
three guys in a truck and a

770
00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:15.280
wheelbarrow whatever, I didn't do that. But the good part was I didn't

771
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:21.639
have a lot, so it fit
in a moving truck and so packing it

772
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:23.320
up was kind of interesting. I
found things I didn't know I needed and

773
00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:27.159
I got rid of them, and
I kind of called the herd a little

774
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:30.559
bit when I'm doing all that.
But the fun part was actually once the

775
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:32.519
truck was loaded, was driving that
sucker you. I was gonna say,

776
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:37.119
you, yeah, let's let's go
into the kind of back into your old

777
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:39.559
right. Yeah, because I used
to drive. For those who don't know,

778
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:44.480
I drove eighteen wheelers cross country,
did over a million miles, and

779
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:46.280
I loved it. I had to
come out of the truck after a while,

780
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:52.960
but I enjoyed it. So driving
from Memphis, I almost tore the

781
00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:55.519
rear view mirrors off the truck by
the way, just in case I should

782
00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:59.239
accidently look in the rear rearview mirror
and see Memphis. I just want to

783
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:02.679
get out of there, you know, be done. But it was it

784
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:06.159
was an automatic transmission that I don't
know what the hell to do about that,

785
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:10.000
because I'm used to driving something that
has either ten or thirteen or eighteen

786
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:15.280
gears forward gears, and so I
remembered how to make the turns, how

787
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:19.239
to you know, and adjust the
mirrors so that you can see where the

788
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:22.719
rear wheel of your trailers meeting the
ground, you know exactly how close to

789
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:24.480
the curb you are. If you
do the mirrors right, you're good,

790
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:28.320
so you can see what you're doing. But I would find as I go

791
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:31.079
to make turns or if I'm slowing
down, I'm reaching for a gear shift

792
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:37.199
that isn't there because I'm an automatic, and I am trying to talk my

793
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:40.480
foot on the clutch that isn't there
on the floorboard. And I just laughed

794
00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:45.320
slain. I laughed myself silly at
how stupid it was. But I enjoyed

795
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:49.920
it at having the little trailer behind
you and you keep the wheel steady and

796
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:52.119
make sure you don't start fish tailing
and all that. It's amazing, like

797
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:55.800
riding a bike. It really was, except the bike wasn't eighty thousand pounds,

798
00:52:55.800 --> 00:53:00.280
and I did regret that part.
But I got down here and I

799
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:07.880
unloaded the truck myself and in a
storage unit and very I've got family that

800
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:10.480
has helped out immensely, friends that
have helped out immensely, and I've got

801
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:14.960
a really cool place to live.
This is a little a little cottage.

802
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:21.199
It's like five hundred square feet,
but everything, Yeah, and I and

803
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:24.480
I got the furniture to go into
it and got everything set up, and

804
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:29.639
it is my back room. My
backyard, I'm sorry, is a bar.

805
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:34.519
It's an outdoor little uh you know, patio with the the I don't

806
00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:37.280
know why I'm making motions because nobody
can see this, but they got the

807
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:42.320
little the chairs and the patio furniture
and the umbrellas and all that. That's

808
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:46.599
the backyard. And all around our
shops, these boutique shops. There's cafes,

809
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:52.079
there's restaurants, there's a there's a
beautiful park across the street that's lit

810
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:58.000
up for for the holidays right now, beautiful Christmas lights across the other street.

811
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:01.039
There's all these shops in behind that. There's they it's like it's like

812
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:06.199
the French Quarter when it was safe. There's live bands and there's food.

813
00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:09.400
I don't know how it happened that
I ended up. Did it feel like

814
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:13.960
home as you kind of just know
that this was yeah, yeah, yeah

815
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:16.039
yeah. And it was a friend
of a friend of my sisters that that

816
00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:21.880
owns that owns the properties that I'm
in, and she happened to have an

817
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:24.519
opening and you know, okay,
we'll take you this is this is amazing.

818
00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:28.079
I feel like I'm getting away with
something here, like the other shoe

819
00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:30.679
is gonna drop or something. I
don't know, but I'll take the win.

820
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:32.760
Well, I think that's I think
you're due. You know, we

821
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:37.960
we both have worked retail uh for
a few years. Yeah, and um,

822
00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:44.840
this is your Is this your first
Black Friday without um having to work?

823
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:49.360
Uh? And how how is and
how is that compared to you know,

824
00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:54.159
how was your your Thanksgiving and enjoying
yourself there? Um contrast, it

825
00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:57.760
was cool because I knew I didn't
have to get up at o dark thirty

826
00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:00.800
the next morning and go wait on
on you know, the running of the

827
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:06.079
imbeciles crashing into the store and tearing
the place apart. It was awesome.

828
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:09.159
You can enjoy the family, you
can enjoy friends and bask in the moment

829
00:55:09.159 --> 00:55:15.239
and not have that that sense of
foreboding that what's about to take place.

830
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:19.199
This is the first time that I've
looked forward to the holidays in general,

831
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:22.280
I don't know in how long because
of this, the first time in years

832
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:27.840
I won't be under siege anywhere,
you know. And that's again, I

833
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:35.159
I'm fortunate, I'm blessed beyond description
and uh, I'll just make the best

834
00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:39.360
of it. Well, I'm glad
that you got to enjoy what probably the

835
00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:45.559
rest of Americans get to do on
during the Thanksgiving holiday weekend and have a

836
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:49.159
good trip. So and and what
are you? What are you up to

837
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:52.440
now? What's your Uh? I
mean you have your starting up your podcasts?

838
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:55.119
You have are you going to be
writing? Are going to expect some

839
00:55:55.159 --> 00:56:00.559
more writing from you that your will? You will great? And the podcast?

840
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:04.800
But Rob and I talked about this
and I've said talked about it in

841
00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:07.119
the opening, but it's a little
bit different vibe to the podcast. I'm

842
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:10.760
a little more laid back. There's
not as much angst the political events.

843
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:15.920
They matter, we will talk about
them, but they won't be the you

844
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:19.400
know, the reason for our existence
here is we're gonna We're gonna have a

845
00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:22.599
good time and just enjoy. They've
got to have some place that you can

846
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:24.000
go and decompress. So I want
I want this, I want this to

847
00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:28.119
be in the place. And I'm
back in the world of radio two.

848
00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:30.320
I should add that, yeah,
left, I'm not. I haven't left

849
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:36.320
sales. I do that now in
radio in additions and production and commercial advertising

850
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:39.400
work where I'm actually in studio doing
things. But yeah, it's it's it's

851
00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:43.960
cool. I'm back doing the kind
of work I like. Oh that's fantastic,

852
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:49.119
well deserved, thank you and much
overdue, and we'll all benefit from

853
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:54.000
it. To hearing you and reading
you so uh as as maybe a representative

854
00:56:54.000 --> 00:57:00.639
of Ricochet who you just can't be
happier for you and and looking forward to

855
00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:06.159
hearing and seeing more of you.
And also I acquiring minds wants to know

856
00:57:06.199 --> 00:57:08.559
if your Christmas card is going to
have you a glamour shot of you laying

857
00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:15.519
on the beach in your well,
I'm asking, and my what in my

858
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:21.639
what shorts? What did you say
in your bikini shorts? Yeah, yeah,

859
00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:24.000
that's the style. That's that's not
going to happen. I don't I

860
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:28.000
kind of care how many drinks I
have or what they've got charrossing a rocket

861
00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:30.679
fuel. It's not going to happen. The odds of you getting me in

862
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:34.719
a bikini, you know, drunk
or sober or like less than zero.

863
00:57:35.039 --> 00:57:38.400
But you know, I do appreciate
the thought. At any rate. I

864
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:42.719
don't know. I think it's the
style. Yeah, well, this is

865
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:51.519
Florida, this is Florida park stripped. What now strip your parka? Okay,

866
00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:53.480
all right, well fine, all
right, well Jenna again, thank

867
00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:58.159
you. It's been a treat as
always. And uh and I'll just I'll

868
00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:01.519
go back to the gym and forget
about anything for a while. This has

869
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:07.599
been great. Thank you very much
for appearing on the program. The Borders

870
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:12.079
are opens. Will come on down, all right, folks, ask my

871
00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:21.079
friend Jenna Stalker on the Dave Carter
program. Check Presents Check favorite media station

872
00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:29.320
Cha bringing you the soundtrack for your
holiday with the best blooms rock, Decide

873
00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:32.440
to Go and the very merriest Christmas
music you'll find anywhere of all of us

874
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:43.000
at the Tiger to you and yours, Merry Christmas. You really blew up

875
00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:45.840
your own commercial. Well you know, yes I did. I mean it

876
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:50.039
just it just seemed like a fun
thing to do somehow. I mean,

877
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:52.360
that's sort of the point of the
show at this point is is to have

878
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:57.360
fun, right if you say so. And if you're wondering who that voice

879
00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:00.440
is, by the way, that's
the voice of the internet radio station.

880
00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:06.480
He's formerly known around here as sportscaster
Mark and he'll be around on the podcast

881
00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:09.880
on occasion. But the gold this
time around is to take a deep breath,

882
00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:13.960
get a few yucks on the program
here, and make this a as

883
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:17.920
much of the ascent possible, a
decompression zone, and just have fun with

884
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:22.360
it. So did you enjoy the
show Man? Rob did a great job,

885
00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:25.039
didn't they of explaining why things may
not be as bad as I suspect

886
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:29.000
they are. And we could use
a bit of optimism at this point,

887
00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:32.559
So I certainly won't turn that down. And Jenna Lord have mercy churning out

888
00:59:32.599 --> 00:59:37.559
these amazing essays and articles and keeping
their young son happy and you know,

889
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:42.039
from swinging from the drapes too much, keeping them happy and healthy, and

890
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:45.840
keeping the house going, her and
her husband working their own jobs, all

891
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:50.559
in single digit temperatures and eight inches
of snow, and they wonder why people

892
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:54.519
drink, you know. But it's
been said that the act of writing is

893
00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:59.599
actually the act of sitting down to
a blank piece of paper and bleeding.

894
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:04.960
It really is exposing one's heart and
soul and mind for the edification of others.

895
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:07.679
I can't think of as anyone who
does so with as much grace and

896
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:13.400
eloquence as Jenna. So as soon
as this program is over, you could

897
01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:17.239
do yourself a favor by heading over
to a Jenna dot Stoker dot substack dot

898
01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:21.760
com and check it all out for
yourself. Really, really is an amazing

899
01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:23.639
work and you'll you'll be edified.
I'm glad that you read it. And

900
01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:28.679
while you're at it for some really
cool music that I just blew up apparently

901
01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:31.280
up a gumbo of blues and rock
and jazz and Zlida Coo and some fun

902
01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:37.480
Christmas tunes as well. Boogeon over
to the Tiger at Dave Carter online dot

903
01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:43.920
com slash Tiger Dash Radio, Dash
Blues Dash Rock and click the little play

904
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:46.440
button on there and you pass yourself
a good time. Well, I hope

905
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:51.360
you've had as much fun listening to
all this into the proceedings here as I've

906
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:54.440
had putting it together for you.
And just fasten your seatbelts, folks.

907
01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:59.679
Is theres a lot more fun and
a lot more good conversation. Someone wants

908
01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:05.079
called the audacious humor, and I'll
take that. There's plenty of that always

909
01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:08.199
around these parts. My thanks again
to my guests, Rob Long, Jenna

910
01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:13.559
Stalker, and as always, my
very special thanks to you the listener.

911
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:16.960
I am Dave Carter and I'll see
you around. Thank you for listening to

912
01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:22.360
The Dave Carter Show. Don't forget
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913
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:24.960
miss a single episode. And while
you're there, please leave a review and

914
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:29.199
tell us what you think. And
on behalf of all of us at the

915
01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:32.719
Dave Carter Show and the Ricochet Audio
Network. Thank you for listening.