Roman Genn: When The Past Becomes Present

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Podcasting from Memphis, Tennessee. Jesus
soldier, storyteller, historian, and maybe

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a bit of a hell racer.
Enjoy It's Dave Carter. Worry hey,

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folks, I am Dave Carter.
It's a delight to welcome you to the

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program today. And if you're listening
to the show, then what I'm about

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to tell you makes no sense at
all. In fact, it's well,

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more correctly, it makes less less
sense maybe than most of the stuff you'd

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hear anyway. But if you're watching
us and you saw at the at the

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beginning the side view, you'll notice
that there were there are several led candles

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on the desk. And that's not
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at podcast here. What's happened is, uh, well, Valentine's Days around

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the corner, right, So yeah, what happened is the led lights that

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illuminate my workstation here fizzled out a
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Just they died, and so some
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Later on in the program, you'll
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and everything's fine, but you'll also
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prerecorded segment I end up. I
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a halftime Super Bowl situation where I'm
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course of a ten minute program.
What happens is some of this stuff is

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prerecorded to accommodate the schedules of my
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So that's that's kind of what what
happens with all thats go, Diana.

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I got to get the show going
here, Alphonse, nobody asked you to

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chime in here. Lookie, pretty
riding program programming, isn't it. For

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those of you wonder which that was
all about. A friend of mine from

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Louisiana, Alphonso chimes in every now
and then, and you just never know,

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but he uh, well, never
mind what he does here. So

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we've got some innesting folks to talk
with today, including national of you artists,

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a Roman gen who came here from
the Soviet Union. Uh there was.

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It was certainly in his interest to
do so, so he came here

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and he's going to be with us
for a little bit. And also one

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of our favorites. Career Special Forces
officer, a Lieutenant Colonel Brendan Welsh will

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be alone to talk with us about
the foreign policy implications of the new administration

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and all that kind of fun stuff. So rather than me just sitting here

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rattling on, Bonley, go ahead
and get to it. When I wrote

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a note to Roman again asking if
he'd like to appear on the program,

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he wrote back, Like Doc Holliday
in the movie Tombstone, he writes,

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say when, and you just don't
turn down opportunities like that. Roman was

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born in Moscow in nineteen seventy two, at the height of the Cold War.

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He quickly sized up the political realities
of his country, and so,

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at age five, he says,
he began to collaborate with the communist regime

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by drawing propaganda posters for his kindergarten
class, including thank you, Comrade Bresneff

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for our happy childhood. Apparently this
earned him extra food, cool toys,

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and soft toilet paper. He writes
that in his early teens, quote ungrateful

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for his free education and Soviet healthcare, a greedy and on patriot again began

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to draw a series of reactionary caricatures, critical of the government and the Soviet

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system. At first, he's attempts
were merely an adolescent employ for cheap popularity

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and a way to look cool in
front of the girls. Later, however,

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when you attempted to sell these works
on the streets of Moscow, many

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unpleasant encounters ensued with the police.
Reprimands were handled out by the administration of

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the Moscow Art College, which had
been foolish enough to admit him. It

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was time to leave the motherland,
and through the kindness of strangers, gain

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landed in Los Angeles in nineteen ninety
one, where he lives and prospers.

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His artwork has been in The New
York Times, The Washington Post, Wall

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Street Journal, Los Angeles Times,
Newsday, Newsweek, Carper calling you name

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it. He's been there apparently.
Oh yes. He was labeled as quote

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that attack dog that Buckley unleashed upon
the world, and as a delight to

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welcome him here today. Roman,
how are you, sir? I'm excellent,

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you ten, Thank you so much, and you're joining us on the

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phone. You sound great. Let
me ask you. I've got a picture

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right now on the screen of you
and William F. Buckley juniors. So

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you've been doing artwork for the cover
of National Review for some time now,

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right, oh forever, I think
since thank you for sorry not to be

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on the video. You know,
I have corpses here that that's fine,

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that's fine, and death cats and
you can imagine what can happen during the

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pandemic. Yeah right, yeah,
you like like a cat lady now huh

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ah, by us to be the
cat leader. Okay, so how how

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did how did the National Review get
come about? Did did Bill Buckley scoop

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you up in Los Angeles? Or
how did that all? They but they

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found me floating in a in a
Pacific No like most Yeah, but you

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know, Buckley stopped the yacht and
you know, in his uh you know

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manner, whether I can be good
for something, I told him I used

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to draw and that's how I get
my job. Well, okay, it

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works for me. He didn't have
the heart to send me back to whenever

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he floated from well yeah, even
even if a little baby. He heard

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your accent and said, no,
no, we can't send him back there,

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right right, you clearly he has
a speech impediment. They gotta help

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this kid outside. Well, oh
exactly. So last week, a week

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before whenever it was. I was
talking with Rob Long about the election and

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the fallout, and he tried to
tried to tell me why I shouldn't be

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as pessimistic as I've been feeling lately. So leaving aside for the moment the

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election and the immediate turmoil that followed. Now, you were born and raised

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in the Soviet Union, so you
have firsthand experience with what happens when an

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artist, or a commentator, or
even a private citizen runs athwart the prevailing

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governing orthodoxy. Right, So,
I mean, I think even said one

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time that the criterion for recognizing the
cartoonist is that he was put in jail.

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I remember that correctly, right,
right. It's one of the three

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uh prerequisites for great one of the
other two one is one is suffering for

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your art, second one is sense
of humor, and the third one is

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ability to draw. So quite a
lot of people have two out of three.

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Three you pick with one of the
three of the most important, but

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you got to have all three,
right. It's it's sort of like fon

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Munstein's uh fon Unstein's definition of field
marshal. You have to have to have

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stormed the fortress to lead the armies
in the field and something else I'd rather

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forgot. So in in a in
a cartooning world, it's you have to

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suffer, you have to have a
sense of humor and uh, and you

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have to be able to draw.
Okay, And yes, yes, I'm

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actually totally forgot. Yes I am
a National Review for about twenty five years,

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so I'm one of the oldest collaborators. Yeah, yeah, you're okay,

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Um, so you can. You
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came here in ninety one, and
you've seen the political evolution that's taken place

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here in the US. So in
broad terms, what do you make of

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the direction that America is heading politically? Well, I was I was just

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talking about it with a friend of
mine who who's also from the Soviet uniend

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it told me something interesting that when
we lived in the Soviet Union, the

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society was very established with its set
rules. So in essence, you come

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to a boring to borring, comfortable
meeting where people who don't believe in it

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to say stupid things and then you
just not and nobody really ailed. But

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the rules, the rules are set. So what we're witnessing in the United

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States today unfortunately is the Soviet Union
or rather Soviet Russia in nineteen twenties,

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were any idiot, any crazy person. Uh, they you know, can

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point a finger and say, ah, you look at you know, he

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belongs to the other class, or
he said something, or he was we

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we've seen him, uh you know, passing something into an English spy,

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or he has clean nails and something, and they will fire you, obviously

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and fire you jailor or shoult you. So that's where we are in in

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in the current situation in the United
States. Fortunately nobody, nobody is shooting

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anyone yet and nobody's putting anyone in
jail. But the tendency of the of

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this insane mob, uh to to
point out the enemies and to to harass

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them and to get them fired.
The canceled culture, the idiotic, insanity,

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madness, witch hunts are are exactly
where we're going with that. So

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that, of course I'm sorry.
Well then, of course, you know,

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makes one wonder. But fortunately we
don't have we don't have a situation

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where they outnumber us, you know, twenty two one. It's it's about

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fifty fifty uh politically, so it's
forty five percent of the country's on one

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side and forty five percent is on
the other side, So they clearly do

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not have the majority to in order
to impose this insanity upon us, but

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they're definitely trying. And yeah,
yeah, and the more we talk about

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it, the more we explain to
people that you know, today they're coming

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for for some actors who who said
something perhaps appropriate or not appropriate. I

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personally think that it was absolutely appropriate
to what she said. But tomorrow they're

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going to come after you, you
know, for your parking spot, for

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because you you you didn't you didn't
bow sufficiently on the street, or or

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whatever I increases will make up.
So that that to me is is,

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you know, we need to explain
to people that this is where this is

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all going. You mentioned earlier about
in the twenties in the Soviet Union that

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people would be shot if you know, and and and and hurt, you

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know, assaulted. But I wonder
if we don't if it thinks are the

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situation at a point here, But
they don't even have to do that.

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They can cancel you and accomplish what
they want without firing a shot. Well

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that's that's that it starts with that. Then it eventually it always leads to

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to violence, to to to you
know, because somebody, somebody who's canceled

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may not want to be canceled.
They may open some kind of uh uh

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you know, find another channel for
their for their thoughts. Uh, find

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another newspaper or find another uh company. We just need to to to understand

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that people who who come after your
freedom eventually will will come for for for

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your life. Uh. That that's
that's how I mean, that's that's what

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we learned from centuries and centuries of
of human history. Unfortunately, you know,

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as ashin Hi at some point said
that, you know, people who

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burned books, you know, in
due time will will burn people. Yeah

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they all do, yeah yeah,
yeah, yeah, okay. So the

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statues, books, the n statues, they start with with our uh you

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know, in a heritage, uh, changing it. Then they started canceling

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people, making them. In the
Soviet unit was was was the term non

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persons, which is the people were
explonged from life without you know, they

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were not mentioned, they were they
just disappeared from from history. Uh.

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And you know, I can definitely
see the tendencies here. We're not at

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that point, don't. I mean, I don't want to sound the alarmy

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story anything right, right, That's
that's the direction is heading though right direction

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is definitely clear. This is and
people you know, I mean that's the

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thing. So, I mean,
there was there was an actor recently that

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that wanted me to be fired from
National Review. And I knew the guy

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that coil has drinks with him,
you know, throughout the years. So

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he he wanted me to to be
fired from from my job for saying we're

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disagreeing, uh, you know about
something. So it's it's you know,

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they are definitely coming up. Well, it starts with what do we do

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about? It starts with the cultural
purging, like you're talking about, um,

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what do you make me? I
think you probably already answered this.

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But the effort to d platform conservatives
and social media and pretty much devilify anyone

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who supported former President Trump, not
because he thought he was a wonderful guy,

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because because I thought his policies were
good for the country in terms of

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employment, energy independence, port security, that kind of thing. Should those

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people be lumped in and labeled as
insurrectionists and villainized by their government and the

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press, Well, I've been canceled
on Facebook. I had to rear out

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my wis Yeah, I've noticed so
clearly they and they're not targeting me anymore

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because I you know, I don't
put national review on my place of employment,

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but they clearly targeted national review before. So uh well, the problem

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with that is this that Facebook,
let's say, or other platforms are private

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company. They can pretty much do
what they want. What we need to

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do is we need to start our
own platforms and companies and leave their platforms

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and um so so we can we
can do whatever we want without any dependent

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on that. And I think that
would be a wiser decision than let's say,

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some kind of regulation, right right, And I think, for example,

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I believe the Daily Wire, Ben
Shapiro and his Fox or working on

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that parlor. It's kind of an
effort in that direction. But yeah,

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that's that's that needs to happen.
Absolutely. But there's there's a of course

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a problem there where we're going to
be arguing with with ourselves, so it's

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going to be echo chamber constantly.
We need to talk to the other side

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too, So because that's that's what
we need to We need to change their

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minds. We need to explain to
them, uh you know, instead of

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just talking to ourselves and the people
who believe in the same thing. So

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that's that would make a boring dinner
party. I personally like to to to

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drink with people with whom I disagree
because that improves that improves my argument.

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Right. Um uh, you know
if I if I sit, if I

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sit at the table with people that
that I agree and we're just not and

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the world is going to hell.
Oh yeah, of course it's boring dinner

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and you're sitting there bobbing your heads
up and are like Beavis and butt Head

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at Hooters or something. It doesn't
complish anything, right, So yeah,

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I get it. No, No, um, let's get back to your

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work for just a minute. That
the political cartoonists, um am, I

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correct in saying or observing that political
cartoons to me at least, have become

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less edgy over time. They kind
of had to soften or decided to soften

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what they do. Yes, yes, absolutely, because the problems we depend

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on the newspapers, and newspapers depend
on advertisement, and the advertisers are subjected

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to complaints from various lunatics looking at
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so so you know it's used and
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out of the newspaper. So eventually
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the art became the art became soft. And uh, you know, it's

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it's a cliche to say it's political
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humor unless you're criticizing Trump, which
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pretend to be brave. And and
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which which was basically and exhaling right
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doesn't doesn't cost you anything. Nobody's
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to break your legs and in the
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my god, look at and called
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some parties in in here in Los
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film director and say, oh my
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out against Bush. And if Bush
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shotgun. Yeah that's true. Yeah. Um hey that was a difficult shot

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so there's a weird thought. But
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of it. How would how cool
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of someone getting their nose out of
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How how cool would be that you
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person literally getting their nose out of
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a caricature? Well, we do
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has been done like what Tweed?
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about about cartoons about himself in the
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cartoon is being punished and equal to
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Hitler, of course was not happy
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stalin obviously? Who gets most tarked
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about it? Celebrities do? The
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relying on the on looking good constantly. So so if if there if their

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looks get threatened and ridiculed, they
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are in cartoons, that means they're
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news, and they usually want drawings
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pay for them with the Committee to
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check from from them, none.
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elected. Didn't you didn't you tell
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of former President Obama that was actually
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yes, we did that, we
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believe about ten magazines for their White
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to us. Which which one did
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Obama was depicted as a practologist.
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just relax and one one other he
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I was then where I depicted him, as you know, was putting

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on a on a on a sand
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face. So so he kind of, you know, smirked at that publicly

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saying, oh they depict me with
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me with him. Yeah yeah,
yeah, so so uh and I don't

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know, the CLI was pretty good
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was Bush was pretty good because he
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have to yeah, and uh uh. The angriest I remember was Maria Shriver.

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for Los Angeles Tins and she went
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went to her and I you know, I mean she's a candidate. I

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mean, when't you get used to
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who hasn't done one of you know, Teddy Kennedy as a lifeguard for example,

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right, right right, And they're
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you about cartoons. I mean,
David Levin told me, the great David

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event because the candidates were there,
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he would not be invited some tennis
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it shows teddiness and sure just yeah, but mostly mostly it's you know,

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quite a lot of politicians enjoy it
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pretty good sense humor and uh you
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least, yeah, well, yeah, they're not gonna line you up and

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shoot you here get today. Uh
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Yeah, no kidding, no,
wonder you left. Um, Which brings

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me to my last question here.
I've heard other folks who've come from you

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know, communist utopias and the workers
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and they said that almost to a
person that they came here to live free,

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and a common question that they asked, sometimes rhetorically, sometimes not,

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here to America, where do I
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necessary to entertain that question? Yeah? So I'm I'm you know, gonna

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go into the hills and get myself
leam phil driful and uh and uh,

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you know, uh deal with I'm
not moving. I'm not going to anywhere

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where else where else where I stand. Well, there are please people,

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definitely, I know quite a lot
of people who are entertaining some destinations.

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But I mean, you know,
thinking of going, but I'm not doing

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it. I'm staying so uh and
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successfully fight the lucy. We have
the numbers, we have the people.

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uh you know what clouds it was
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means other than peaceful. I do
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our side with with with within so
but but ideology wise, it's it's uh

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problem is we are products of our
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you come to certain conclusions about life
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And my personal experience has been Communist
Russia. So somebody else who was

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born here my age, uh,
you know who who did not have that

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experience, has their own experience,
and they think that I'm making it up

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when I tell them that in a
free hospital. Uh you know, you

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have coquages like like in Indiana,
drones the light on it that night,

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and you see the giant armies of
conferences, right. Uh, you know,

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they think I'm making it up,
that it's all gonna be this wonderful

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U talking free healthcare because they do
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And so but I can read,
yes, well, so far I've been

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unsuccessful in in I showed pictures two
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a photoshop and you can you can
literally google Soviet hospital and then see what

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what the conditions are there, you
know what the conditions were. And they

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just don't they they they they fail
to imagine something that goes beyond their personal

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experience and their desire uh for something
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that that that has been my you
know, my struggle for a while.

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But so far I've been unsuccessful.
I haven't pursued one person. I mean,

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I haven't convinced one person that that, uh, this, this is

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actually going to be bad if if
if it is the implement, No,

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if you're not gonna learn through history
book or gonna learn their experience, and

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that's that's right, that's unfortunate,
I guess. So sometimes people just have

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to live through certain things and in
order to to to to see that this

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is the way it's going to happen, or uh, you know, to

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to get the reality. Now,
um, problem is that they can sign

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everybody else to that fate too,
and that's not very cool. Well,

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that's why we need to organize.
Yeah, yeah, I agree. And

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you know, humor helps out a
lot, and that's where you come in

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with. You know, humor can
be quite the weapon, as you know,

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uh, and so that's that's where
people like you are so effective.

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And then as Rob Lane talked about, you know, we need to talk

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policy, we need to explain ramifications
and consequences of various policies, and whenever

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it plays out, say okay,
didn't have to be this way, you

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know, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I totally no, humor

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is actually deadlier than the nuclear weapons
because you can use humor nuclear weapons.

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You know, it's it's it's a
logistical nightmare. You've got to, you

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know, put the bomb on the
plane. It's both money to drop it

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as as you can fire a cartoon
and it will get the target and you

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know, with without much financial burden. Exactly, exactly right. Well,

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if you do decide to go anywhere, just tell me. Promise me that

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you'll start by here first so we
can chat somewhere. Okay, absolutely,

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absolutely, all right, I will
drive by you with with sirens bleed.

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That sounds good. All right,
mister Roman again, thank you so much.

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Man. I appreciate you being on
the program. It's been a treat.

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Thank you so much, sir.
Folks. That was Roman again on

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the day of Carter Problem. All
right, here now with a segment that

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we haven't had in quite some time, is Mark benwat to talk about.

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Were't supposed to give out my last
name? Oh I'm sorry, so sportscaster

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Mark, he's here to talk about
the super Bowl, and he agrees to

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come on the program every now then, but he's asked us not to show

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his picture number one or give out
his last name to preserve whatever reputation that

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he has left. That's okay,
no one can spell it anyway. Well,

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it's spelled b e n o I
jerk. All right, Fine,

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nobody's gonna know, right because it's
from Louisiana. So it's spelled one way

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and pronounce another. So it's b
e n o I. T is pronounced

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Benoit jank bar our friends from not
from Louisiana. It's Benoit, so sports

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castor Benoit continues. I know,
let's just get this done. Brady and

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the Tampa Bay Buccaneers cooks the Kansas
City Chiefs d's acting Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahoney.

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Can we just pronounce it correctly?
It's Mahomes. Well, we never

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stayed still long enough for me to
read his name. The Chief's offensive line

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folded quicker than a two dollars suitcase, leaving Mahomes to run for his wife

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all night while completing just twenty six
of forty nine passes. Did you see,

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by the way, did you see
the halftime show? Yes? Why,

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well, I'm just wondering why those
people were walking around with those things

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over their heads. But that was
all about. They were athletic supporters.

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Do you mean the performers are the
things they were wearing on their heads in

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other news? Hey, have you
seen how this show has been doing lately?

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No, I haven't. Man,
we're listening to in like forty three

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cities around the country, thirty countries
around the world, So I mean,

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why should I care? I mean, it's not like Brooklyn, for example,

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people listen. We had more listeners
in Brooklyn than in any other city,

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and you'd think that their heads would
explode because of their voting patterns.

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They're so wildly out of sync with
what we talked about on this show.

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Maybe their interest in your show was
purely zoo logical. Maybe they've gotten boarded

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show and they want to have a
look at Okay, but our demographics,

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I mean, our audience right now
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So yeah, it's all that highbrow
humor. Yeah. And the age

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groups, we do really well with
the twenty three to twenty seven year old

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group, We do great with thirty
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actually we do well with folks that
are age sixty on up to um dead.

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Yeah, that's about right. Meanwhile, the highlight of Super Bowl twenty

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twenty one was the guy who came
out of the stand and streaked across the

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field, and all this gastronautic glory
shorts and a hot pink one piece long

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looking bathing suit propping Roger Gridell to
wonder out loud whether or not the streaker

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incided the erection insurrection against the United
States. And that's sports. I'm sportscaster

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Mark from a discrete location in Memphis, Tennessee, far from matches and sharp

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objects. It's Dave Carter Ricochet.
Well, that was intriguing one. Now

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my roman again there's a lot of
fun, full of mischief since their humor

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is wonderful, and he's full of
life's lessons that those of us who grew

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up in a free country would do
well to take to heart. Hey,

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do you like what you're hearing today? Because if you do, I know

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some psychologists and counselors. My sister
for examples of clinical psychologists. She can

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help me out. She did most
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this is my favorite part of the
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as well, because we've got some
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my next guest is no stranger to
this program, nor to anyone who

425
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has spent any significant time on Ricochet. If you've done any real reading of

426
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:43.160
the various columns and comments with Ricochet, odds are that you've read his work

427
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:47.079
as well. Lieutenant Colonel Brendan Welsh, US Army Special Forces retired, is

428
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:50.799
a graduate of West Point who went
on to spend most of his career as

429
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:53.920
a Special Forces officer. He served
in Korea a Desert Storm, along with

430
00:32:54.000 --> 00:33:00.319
various adventures in Iraq and Mosel and
Baghdad and Ballad. You also man of

431
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:05.319
the Special Operations Command Forward in Paraguay. Colonel ls Round the Bronze Star,

432
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:09.640
the Defenseman Meritorious Service Medal, the
Army Meritorious Service Medal, the Iraqi Campaign

433
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:15.359
Medal with Arrowhead Device, the Global
World Terror Exhibitionary Medal, the Southwest Asia

434
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:20.400
Service Medal with two Bronze Stars,
the Special Forces TAB Ranger TAB Parachutists Badge.

435
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:22.720
In other words, he's easily bored, and that has to take care

436
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:27.720
of that and various exploits. He
commanded the US Army's Survival, Evasion of

437
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.839
Resistance and Escape School, but happily
those skills have not yet enabled him to

438
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:36.119
escape the occasional appearance on this program. It's always great to have you with

439
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:39.079
it. How are you, sir? Outstanding? And he's the nickname is

440
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:43.319
Boss Mongo, by the way,
so it's an honor to have him here.

441
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:46.559
Folks. If it looks like I'm
in a like, I mean in

442
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:51.440
the middle of a candlelight dinner,
the reason is what I've had some of

443
00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:54.160
the lights go out in here,
just zapped out, so literally, if

444
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:59.880
you'll see on the side view,
I've looked at these little led candles literally

445
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:01.880
on the desk, so I can
see what's going on and you can kind

446
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:06.000
of see my ugly face a little
bit better too. So anyway, how

447
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:12.320
have you been, Colonel great?
Well, all the complaints. If I

448
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:15.280
was doing any better, i'd be
selling tickets people want to watch. Yeah,

449
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:17.920
as I tell people who work vis
any doing it better to be too

450
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:22.199
of me, and we wouldn't want
to do that. Uh So, it's

451
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:23.639
in a while since I've talked to
you. I've surely been a long time

452
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:29.679
since I've seen you. This is
pretty cool. Yeah, just a few

453
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:31.519
things have changed, I guess since
we last spoke, right, not much

454
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:37.440
starting out with general impressions, but
the new administration and this may be too

455
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:42.079
broad a question to kick this off
word answer anyway or so if it if

456
00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:45.800
it needs correcting, please correct me. But with respect to America's adversaries,

457
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:51.920
Okay, do you think that they
are happy or unhappy now that Joe Biden

458
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:58.079
is in the White House. I
think they're giggling like little girl. Okay,

459
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:02.920
why is that? I mean?
I think the new administration has proven

460
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:10.639
that they're not in any way interested
in putting America's national security national interests first,

461
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:22.280
and they're interested in this multi lateral
kind of ooey dooey and foreign policy

462
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:24.480
that's going to focus more on process
than I will on results. Okay,

463
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:29.960
So yeah, okay, all right, So let's let's narrow it down a

464
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.639
little bit. We'll start with the
Middle East. Former President Trump successfully,

465
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:37.159
as you know, negotiated peace settlements
between Israel and I believe, at least

466
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.719
for other countries United Arab Emirates,
Bahrain, Sudan, and Morocco while squeezing

467
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:45.199
Iran financially with severe sanctions. Now, the new administration appears to be making

468
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:51.800
overtures toward Iran already. Right,
So, as someone who's spent some time

469
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:53.880
in the region, boots on the
ground and all that do you have any

470
00:35:53.880 --> 00:36:01.239
thoughts on those particular developments. I
am concerns that again, like I said,

471
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:06.400
ooey dooey's form policies, which I
think is a technical academic term.

472
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:13.000
That's why I was over my head
right right right, it looks like at

473
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:19.239
least the initial uh, you know, kind of scuttle. But we're hearing

474
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:22.639
from and about the administration. It
looks like they're going to jump right back

475
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:28.440
into the previous Iranian deal if the
Iranians will be so kind as to let

476
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:31.639
us uh, and it'll be something
for nothing, you know, we'll be

477
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:38.400
we'll be given up stuff and they'll
be ignoring us because they are absolutely untrustworders.

478
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:42.119
So we're putting we're essentially putting them
back in the driver's seat then,

479
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:47.239
right, I think, yeah,
okay, and all we're gonna want is

480
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:57.039
that you know that that say,
the near of a possibly almost plausible and

481
00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:04.159
premature that we're working for peace.
And yeah, I'm thoroughly unpressed. I

482
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:07.679
have been so for because I thought
that with the with the with the overtures

483
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:13.199
and the settlements with Morocco and Bahrain
and the others that kind of put are

484
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:19.199
on um. It just went it
went around them completely. Yeah, and

485
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:23.400
the Palin reducing there They've always been
kind of the toad in the road.

486
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:30.400
So and it's just I and I
think maybe the Saudis were waiting to see

487
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:37.280
what happened with this election. But
I just wish that the Saudis side onto

488
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:42.719
the Abraham reports for the election.
That would have been that would have been

489
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:47.079
that whatever happened in the election,
Um, it would have been a significant

490
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:52.400
step in bringing pieces where now they
can still kind of what what about?

491
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:54.719
What what about Korea? Just to
gold trotting for a minute, that little

492
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:59.280
gargoyle over there in Pyongyang has been
more subdued the last few years. It

493
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:02.960
seems expect him to start acting out
again. Sooner has he already? I

494
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:07.519
think? Um? I think he
will. I mean it's his nature,

495
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:15.360
right um open uh. And he
had a I think he had a he

496
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:20.800
had a charrot and stick thing going
with the Trump administration, And I doubt

497
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:25.559
that the Biden administration is going to
be bringing any stix ession with Yeah.

498
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:30.000
Still the character character with Korea,
I think. But the other the great

499
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:37.480
unknown is because their general population was
so um still fed, malnourished and everything

500
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:43.199
else. But what one question is
unknowable right now. How badly was North

501
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:49.679
Korea hit by the coronavirus? You
know, it could well be that they

502
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:53.760
got enough on their hands dealing with
the issue then they and they're not as

503
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:58.960
they don't have as much freedom of
movement as they're used to when they they

504
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:05.280
start throwing well, and the regime
there is a little less concerned with the

505
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:09.440
welfare of their own folks. Acceptance
as far as you're of utilitarian value a

506
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:14.119
little bit, yeah, yeah,
right, um, okay, So you

507
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:15.360
know, I was thinking about this, and I was writing up some of

508
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:22.280
these thoughts yesterday. But the First
Gulf War and nearly every subsequent conflict in

509
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:27.320
that region, the Left is never
tired of the chant no blood for oil,

510
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:30.159
remember that. I mean, it's
just a constant refrain. So the

511
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:35.320
last year and the last few years, we've made rather dramatic progress where energy

512
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:39.400
independence for America, which lessens the
chances of US having to go over there

513
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:44.119
again. They can do what they
want and we're not tied to that.

514
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:46.880
So the Left apparently is not happy
with that, and so now they're going

515
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:52.960
to cripple our own energy production in
the US, which steers us back toward

516
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:55.559
the being dependent on fanatics and other
countries that don't like us a whole lot,

517
00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:00.239
thereby increasing the chances of the whole
blood for oil thing. Am I

518
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:05.920
missing something here? Now? I
think he nailed it. Um. You

519
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:16.639
know, the inconsistencies in the thinking
is very stark. I think to you

520
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:21.320
and I most people that are gonna
watch your show, But I think that

521
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:25.800
the intencies are total blind spots to
people that are going to be making policy

522
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:31.519
over the next four years. It
I'm going to rant a little bit,

523
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:37.119
but from from from foreign four if
if from foreign policy to two things that

524
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:43.639
here at home, there seems to
be some virtue that these people see in

525
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:50.039
vulnerability, some virtue in defenselessness,
whether it's predators on the international stage or

526
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:53.239
predators here at home. They they
just want us in a position where we're

527
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:58.480
at the mercy of predators. I
mean, I don't get it. I'm

528
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:00.760
not going to ask you to call
in our head. I think they want

529
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:05.239
well, going on euro Team,
I hadn't thought about it that way,

530
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:13.280
but they want um, defenselessness and
vulnerability nationally, but politically, I think

531
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:22.280
they're gonna be thoroughly invested in trying
to indemnify themselves and the exact oppidans.

532
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:24.760
Oh sure, yeah, yeah,
yeah, there'll be there'll be a velvet

533
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:28.920
glove treatment to those who have hurt
us, but an iron fish treatment as

534
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:36.159
respects to the way that they treat
us, right right, exactly so and

535
00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:39.039
and and I was just contemplating doing
a post, and I may won't get

536
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:46.199
to it, hopefully um over this
weekend. But it just like when you

537
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:52.760
talk about the intellectual inconsistency. Have
you seen new sect up General retired Lloyd

538
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:58.679
Austin doing a sixty day stand down
to flends extremism from the Department of these

539
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:05.119
Yeah, extreme extremism defined as what
I don't remember. Was there a stand

540
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:08.920
down after the ford Hood shooting for
sixty for sixty days and when you had

541
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:13.840
people are just being slaughtered by someone
who was yelling Allahu akbar, which by

542
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:19.079
the way translates means my motives are
unclear. No, there was that,

543
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:22.760
surprisingly, And and the thing is
is, yes, I would like to

544
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:28.840
see the definition the DD definition of
extremism, which I don't think it's been

545
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:34.360
published yet because I think it's still
massaging it. But it's malleable that yeah,

546
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:36.639
yes, But they're gonna have to
put something up there, and I

547
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:38.639
think we know what they're gonna do. But it seems to me that if

548
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:47.119
you would enlist in the military,
you have signed a blank check for cash

549
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:52.400
onto your very life. Uh.
And to me that I'm kind of extreme.

550
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.039
You know, if you're taught,
hey, you're you're bat buddy,

551
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:59.559
You're ranger buddy, you will jump
on a grenade for that guy. To

552
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:01.719
me, that was kind of extreme. You know, the last stands of

553
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:07.960
the of the Ranger Creek readily will
I display the intestinal forty two required to

554
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:13.199
drive on and complete the mission though
I be the long survivor. That's kind

555
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:16.920
of the right, right, Yeah, so let's let's define our terms here,

556
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:20.760
uh, Lloyd. Oh and by
the way, I have a little

557
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:25.639
bit of history with uh. With
Scheck death Austin, I would I wouldn't

558
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:30.199
have guessed. Yeah, Now,
he was my actually way back if you

559
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:34.840
go on the way back machine,
he was a major um when I was

560
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:40.559
a cadet in school, and he
was my battalion tactile officers. And Uh,

561
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:47.599
I would say, he's not a
fan of mango and mango, but

562
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:51.639
at least I helped keep I helped
keeple got business. You know. So

563
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:58.280
yeah, um yeah, you can
do a post on that, maybe your

564
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:00.760
swan song, but I you know, yeah, no, no, I

565
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:07.159
don't think so out Okay, right, So taking a view from thirty thousand

566
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:09.920
feet. I don't know if you've
given this, uh much thought, but

567
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:16.800
what kind of national security threats do
you see emerging on the horizon during the

568
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:22.159
Biden administration? And I mean do
you do you as an ancillary thing,

569
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:27.719
do you give any credence to uh
to the what we've been hearing that when

570
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:30.880
Trump was in office there were no
new wars? Is that kind of do

571
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:37.280
you think that's likely to continue?
Or does vulnerability you know, invite aggression

572
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:42.199
et cetera. Well, I think, um, yeah, I think vulnerability

573
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.800
invites aggression, even even if it's
just a reconnaissance by five, even if

574
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:51.519
they're just even by what even if
it's a reconnaissance by five? Okay,

575
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:54.559
Um, there'll be proving to see
what can we get away with with this

576
00:44:54.760 --> 00:45:00.880
administration. My assessment, um,
and we'll see is that they're going to

577
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:05.400
our adversary is gonna be able to
get away with a lot. But the

578
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:10.559
biggest national security threat I see is
obviously China, and I don't see them.

579
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:14.920
I don't see it being a military
confrontation. I just think with the

580
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:20.760
vulnerability that you've mentioned us opening ourselves
up to ASA Mexic attack where China will

581
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:27.360
do everything fuck employs military. Um, it may well employs military in the

582
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:30.800
region, you know, in the
Pacific rims to expand. It's uh,

583
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:37.480
it's it's influenced in its reach.
But here they're just gonna be doing everything

584
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:43.320
they candibles, you know, and
silly sex, and we will be thoroughly

585
00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:46.320
unprepared for it. That's just dandy. But we're gonna take a sixty day

586
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:50.800
stand down so we can make sure
people are nice. Um, I've been

587
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:52.639
right in case you haven't noticed.
If I know, you saw that the

588
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:58.719
last talk with Rob Long, who
tried to inject some sort of positivity into

589
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:00.559
me, and it was, you
know, middling success. But I've been

590
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:05.039
fairly depressed lately with respect with what
the future holds for the country. You

591
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:08.719
know, between fast tracking millions of
illegal immigrants of citizenship and some other progressive

592
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:14.119
initiatives, it looks like I'll be
one party rule here the Iron Fist.

593
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:17.039
If as we were talking about,
how about you do you share my pessimism

594
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:22.760
or can you talk me out of
this funk or or um? I guess

595
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:29.159
I guess I'm asking this. I
can drop the dump truck of funk to

596
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:37.000
add, you know, over you. But I I just think overall,

597
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:45.320
I just think we have too many
people on the progressive Democrat side that have

598
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:50.599
hear what regards from prostitutions, you
know. So I think that they will

599
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:53.159
do they want, you know,
they had the will to power. They're

600
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:59.119
willing to subvert the Constitution as required
to get that power. And I think

601
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:04.519
that republic because they're back on their
heels because unlike the Democrats, I think

602
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:09.760
Republicans do not see they see the
Democrats as a political adversary and they don't

603
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:15.079
see them as the enemy. Um
where I stand, you know. And

604
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:21.280
I'm not talking bio else hey anything
guys that monitors not advocating bus So I

605
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:25.559
think I swore an oath support and
to send the Constitution and I did that

606
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:34.400
from the profound belief that's the greatest
social contract ever made. And uh and

607
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:39.960
so yeah, I'm I am not
optimistic. I think because they're kind of

608
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:45.719
a goat rope clown show that maybe
they'll screw it up, uh, in

609
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their in their effort to secure power
for the wal term. But we'll have

610
00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:53.880
to see invariably. Invariably, like
with Obamacare's other things, the bureaucratic ineptitude

611
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:58.880
is impossible to hide, and that's
what bites them as much as anything else,

612
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:06.360
right right, Um, And and
just the staggering number of the executive

613
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:09.360
orders that have come out. I
mean, I would think one would think,

614
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:15.320
uh, it's obvious that, but
one would think that both Democrats and

615
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:19.199
Republicans in the Congress would say,
hey, we kind of got to,

616
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:23.559
you know, call back some of
our power under the composition they're they're not

617
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:30.400
gonna be doing until and I think
it's until not if uh they punch the

618
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uh the filibusters, who is the
ball post to life. I think that,

619
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uh, you know that we're not
gonna get in a legislation and it's

620
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:43.800
like, hey, legislate towards you
know, you have the executive branch doing

621
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:47.599
what you're empowered to do and what
you're supposed to be doing. And one

622
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:52.840
would think if they could give five
partisan about anything, it would be that.

623
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But uh, but I think the
Democrats are more than happy again because

624
00:48:55.679 --> 00:49:02.760
they're they're a constitutional Do you have
any counsel? Um? You know,

625
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:06.239
you know, I'm not gonna tell
you what's in the cup, but I'm

626
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:10.119
enjoying it. So do you have
any counsel or this is out of nowhere,

627
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:13.800
but this would be my last question, but did you have any counsel

628
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:17.119
for uh Joe six pack sitting at
home or the guy the guy working or

629
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:22.519
has a job at the moment,
who is who is just appalled and what

630
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.239
they're seeing? What do they do? I mean, there's mircochet, there's

631
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:30.039
places you can write, there's you
can meet among friends or you know whatever.

632
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:35.360
But what would you counsel? Um? I would just say, because

633
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:40.199
I'm a I'm a everything I do
that I was taught when fighting is principally

634
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:45.039
base right. Uh So I would
say, never forget that. You're right,

635
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:52.760
Um, flow from your creator,
and these muldoons in Congress, whether

636
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they're Republican or Democrat, have nothing
to do with your writing as a United

637
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States cit. So start from that. Refuse to give up your rights.

638
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:07.440
And I think, um, I
think progressive and even some Republicans saw this

639
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:15.280
an opportunity because so many Americans were
so que essence during this pandemic. But

640
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:17.480
I think they're misreading it's not you
know, you realize some about oh we're

641
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all sheet down, and you know, I just think Americans are good people

642
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:23.840
and they were told, hey,
if you do these things, it will

643
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you know, you'll be helping out, you'll be taking care of the rest

644
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:31.519
of the citizens. And they're good
people. They went along with it.

645
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I personally believe that's what it was. And I also believe that that will

646
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be misinterpreted by people in power.
UM. So I would just say start

647
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with um, start with the adamant
decisions that are resolutions that all of your

648
00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:52.920
rights them from the creators, and
then move forward from there of when you

649
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:55.559
make decisions about what you will and
will not do, and which you will

650
00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:59.880
and will not put up with and
uh. And I would go back to

651
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.519
my days at the Sear School,
where one of the things we taught was

652
00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:07.920
sometimes there is no right decision or
wrong decision. Sometimes there's no good decision

653
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:13.280
or bad decisions. Sometimes there's only
bad or worse. To take the best

654
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:15.679
bad decision. Yeah, that's right, make the best bad decision and look

655
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:19.599
for small victors. If you are
not in a position, look look for

656
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:22.679
small victors look for you know,
things you can do. Uh, you

657
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:25.960
know that that will keep hope a
lot. You know. I think you

658
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:30.239
raised a good point about the pandemic
and then people's response to it. And

659
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:35.159
I think the politicians we would do
well to remind them and remind ourselves that

660
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:44.920
they should not mistake altruism, uh
with weakness, with with complacency rights um

661
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:47.519
and uh and and and I think
that's beginning to phray a little bit,

662
00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:52.519
you know, yes, exactly.
Um, I don't know how things are

663
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:57.360
immentphous I can pay down here.
I mean in a very quick and in

664
00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:01.519
a very quick turn. Governor de
Santus is become one of my personal heroes,

665
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:06.280
you know. And uh, and
all I can do is think about

666
00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:13.519
how narrow his victory was over that
METS smoking gay escort, carousing Gillham guy

667
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:19.639
was uh, you know, but
but the Santus is and I think that's

668
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:22.400
I don't think the milit of the
military. I don't think the media is

669
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:28.920
really propounding it. But uh,
the floor is doing better than both New

670
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:32.719
York and California. And uh and
we we we have very little lockdown one,

671
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:37.719
I mean almost nothing. If you
go into like a big grocery store

672
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:40.480
or something. The big the big
store here is the public. Um.

673
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:45.800
They ask you where I'm at,
um, and you know, and and

674
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:49.039
most Americans do, I mean most
most of the people down here do.

675
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:53.480
Uh. But other than that,
you know, now realize I'm not a

676
00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:58.760
big clubgoing guy. I'm not a
big guy. Yeah, I don't go

677
00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:01.320
out very much. I have a
small circle of friends and we just hang

678
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:05.679
out right here in the neighborhood.
Right. So I'm not a judgment,

679
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:10.320
but with some of the lads that
that I work with, um, it's

680
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:15.440
kind of turned back home, you
know. And and it's so I wish

681
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:21.000
there was more comparative analysis about what
works and what does it well. That

682
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:23.039
would expose some things. Probably they
probably don't want to do that. But

683
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:27.440
here here in Memphis they're they're easing
up on some of the restrictions. But

684
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:30.360
like the stores and things, and
you're in public years, it's just supposed

685
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:32.199
to have your mask. And what
they do they actually shut down some businesses

686
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:36.679
yesterday where that we're not enforcing it
because as people walk into a business and

687
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:39.400
your customers are not wearing a mask, it's the business that gets fine,

688
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:44.519
which which encouraged. So anywhere I
work, I mean, people for some

689
00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:46.559
reason they think that if you wear
your mask like this like Abe Lincoln,

690
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:51.880
Yeah, the Amish mask or whatever, you know, that's that's gonna work.

691
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:53.599
My favorite was a dude that came
in his mask was like this,

692
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:58.079
I don't think that's good. I
think that that's not going to help.

693
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:05.159
Like, um, well, it's
kind of I mean I have, you

694
00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:07.960
know, a mask at work to
my cage, Like come in kind of

695
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:13.639
dress like this in T shirt and
short everything, change into my professional clothes

696
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:16.719
at my cage and then you know, just grab my mask up the shelf

697
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:20.480
and go. And I got a
couple of masks floating around in my car.

698
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:24.480
But uh, but I would say
it, you know, I mean

699
00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:30.119
it amazes me now down here in
the Keys, you rarely have ever seen

700
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:34.960
somebody wearing a mask without cause,
right, Like, like I said,

701
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:37.519
if you're going to a grocery store, pretty much everybody was. But I've

702
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:42.599
been up in Miami and seeing people
in their car alone with a mask on.

703
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:46.840
Yes, like what what what do
you think you're accomplishing, you know,

704
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:52.880
especially protecting the steering wheel. I
dave, I have no idea.

705
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:57.400
I mean, you know, and
I'm not a medical professional. My wife's

706
00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:01.760
and actually I've even been a little
bit dismayed to how a lot of medical

707
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:06.199
professionals are reacting to this. Um. You know, I had a long

708
00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:10.360
discussion with the surgeon the other day
about about the value of manner and uh

709
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:15.400
like, come on, man,
you know, but again, convince me

710
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:20.079
that it's that it's that there's merit
to doing it, and I'll be happy

711
00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:22.079
to do it. But so far, especially with the mask, like he

712
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:24.639
said, one of the way people
are wearing them, Like what I love

713
00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:30.199
is in a conference room situation,
even when everybody's kind of sort of socially

714
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:36.599
distancing, Um, it's when the
person's speaking or briefing takes their masks off,

715
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:44.760
they can forget and when done speaking
and done you know, sending molecules

716
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:46.280
out into the room, they may
put their masks, right yeah, yeah,

717
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:55.760
uh huh yeah. It's frustrating.
Yeah, so uh yeah, but

718
00:55:55.880 --> 00:56:00.079
it is what it is. I
think I think Americans are getting over it.

719
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:08.440
I think, you know, this
hundred day masks and mandate that the

720
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:13.559
new administration is put in is just
going down. I mean, we're going

721
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:15.480
down to run the stillings right,
like we have. Doctor Fauchi says,

722
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:19.679
well, once you've been vaccinated,
you still need to wear a mask.

723
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:24.800
So somebody who's had both shots is
immune to the disease. Therefore, one

724
00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:29.559
would supposed, although you want consist
information from the CDC, one would suppose

725
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:35.960
that then if your vaccinated, you
can't or you will not have or carry

726
00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:40.159
enough from a viral load to infect
anybody else. And but assume success with

727
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:50.800
this clown card cluster cluster of the
vaccination program. But if you're vaccinated and

728
00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:54.840
somebody else is vaccinated, we need
a mask because of why we need to

729
00:56:54.920 --> 00:57:00.840
socially distance, because of why I
mean, it's just that, and that

730
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:05.199
that brings up the point our circles
back to the point to talk like our

731
00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:13.639
press secretary that you were making about
not not mistaking altruism for gullibility and stupidity

732
00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:16.079
and blind obedience. And we need
to remember that, and they need the

733
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:22.320
politicians need to remember that as well. And I'm sorry, I just it's

734
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:28.840
just this whole Oh I kind of
push my contrarian button all the way down,

735
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:31.639
you know, I'm stuck. I'm
stuck right right right, Yeah,

736
00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:35.840
to chant a little bit of whole
fiction. I'm like a recard the red

737
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:39.599
game. That may be the title
of this show. I like that,

738
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:44.000
all right. Sorry, Hey,
thank you for taking time to be with

739
00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:46.119
us today. I really appreciate it. We finally got everything working and here

740
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:51.880
we are, so absolutely it's been
a pleasure, folks. As for retired

741
00:57:51.920 --> 00:58:01.519
Lieutenant Colonel Brendan Welsh, US Army
Special Forces test aside, likely they should

742
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:07.559
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743
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:15.719
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00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:52.400
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00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:58.320
elevator. On the other hand,
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748
00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:00.840
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749
00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:06.039
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753
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754
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755
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Say Jack, and a whole lot
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764
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:05.280
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765
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766
01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:13.719
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773
01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:38.639
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01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:43.199
think this may be the most romantic
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775
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have brought a bottle of wine.
I suppose, as always, we've

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got some great shows coming up in
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So with that, folks, has
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779
01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:02.480
always to my guest Roman again and
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