Dec. 8, 2024

Special Edition: The Live Show

Special Edition: The Live Show
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Culture

It's been an amazing and radiant weekend as Ricochet people from as far away as Califorian and Michigan arrived in Panama City Beach, Florida for a meetup and a show. Though all good things must come to an end, the warmth of genuine friendships and exhilarating conversation that infused the gathering remains in the minds and hearts of the attendees.

To make matters even more interesting, our own Dave Carter teamed up with NewsTalk@101FM's powerhouse host, Brian Rust, to record a special edition of the Dave Carter Show for Ricochet and Talk Radio listeners alike at the resplendent Harrison's Kitchen & Bar in downtown Panama City. Highlights of the show included compelling interviews with local historian Bob Hurst, Ricochet Member and military historian Brady Kiel, and Ricochet Contributor Susan Quinn.

As Dave and Brian talked with their guests, the conversation explored the vital links between an unflenching knowledge of history, the willingness to apply that knowledge to all aspects of civil society from education to national defense, and the critical necessity of carrying an historical perspective, as opposed to the latest ideological fads, into the voting booth.

As you might expect, Dave and Brian punctuated the show with generous servings of laughs and good spirits, making the event quite compelling and mischievously entertaining as you will hear for yourself in this high-energy, captivating, rollicking and live edition of the Dave Carter Show

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some all the time.

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Here, okay, soldier storyteller, this story of Hell Razor.

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It's Dave Carter and this is the Dave Carter Show.

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All right, folks, I am Dave Carter with Brian Russ,

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and we are live at Harrison's Kitchen, downtown Panama City, Florida.

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Don't hear me? Okay?

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Awesome?

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All right, well, please welcome my friend and if then

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talk Radio Stordinaire Brian Russ enjoying his lunch. Good morning,

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are you sir?

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I'm well, how are you?

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I'm good? And we get some feedback here a little bit.

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I'll back this off a little bit, all right. You

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can hear Brian each morning during the week on Talk

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one one point one at WYOO FM, and he is

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all over North and Northwest Florida region and heard nationally

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all over the place. It's a chilly day in northwest Florida.

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We're here at the remarkable Hair Grison's Kitchen and Bar.

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This gorgeous restaurant. It's on this very large and tastefully

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appointed patio. They hauled out the heaters for us this morning.

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So we're surviving just fine. And well we're having lunch

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and brunch and what whatever it's called. But the bar

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is open and that's what counts. As this commercial says,

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we don't don't get any better and right, so how

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you doing me? I'm sorry, I caught you with a

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mouthful of food.

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That's okay, I don't mind doing well. How are you?

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I'm good, I'm good. So right out at the starting gate,

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we need to thank the folks at Harrison's Kitchen and Bar.

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The general manager here is named Ethan Register, and he

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was kind enough to let a bunch of us into

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the place. And he's also managed Steam on five Seafood

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and Tarpain's Southern Cuisine which is in this hotel behind

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us that he also manages the Hotel Indigo, and he

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was very happy to let us use this place, and

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unhappily he wasn't able to be here today. I think

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he has a nine year old that's having a birthday.

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He knew I was going to be here, that's why

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he decided not to it makes sense. It makes sense,

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so but he wanted to see the madness for himself.

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So we're doing a recording of this and I'll make

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sure that he gets it. Coming up in a little bit,

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we'll be talking with local historian Bob Hurst about how

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the Panama City area has grown over the years in

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the industries and even the military bases that have helped

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it to evolve into its current condition. Also my friend

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military historian Brady Keel, who came over from Herbert Field

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where special operations come in is He'll be talking with us,

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and an extraordinary writer who publishes both on Ricochet and

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on American thinker Susan Quinn. We'll be here as well,

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so there's gonna have a word with you people for

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just a moment. Brian and I talked this thing up

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for a long long time and gave out invitations all

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over the place, and to this point you are the

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ones who showed up, so thank you.

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But y'all look jazz.

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You look good, happy to be here. We're happy, we're

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jazz that you're here as well, So feel free to

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whoop it up. You know, the no need to feel constrained.

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Don't think we've felt constrained on election day, did we Okay,

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so we're all good. So just you know, relax, have

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a good time. For those of you who are not

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familiar with this program, this is kind of like what

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I do in the podcast is like a kind of

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like a radio show, a very demented radio show. But

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you know, we just have a good time with it.

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So and Brian, yes, sir, you've been away for a while.

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I have been away for a little while, you know.

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Yeah, I need I need to ask you about that

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in a moment.

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Okay, we'll talk about that, all right.

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Anyway, let's see and my board op, which is also me,

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is getting everything set up for the next deal. So

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we're gonna move along.

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And justin wal you're listening to eighty five point three FM,

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and you just heard my two favorite bands, Filter and

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the Refreshments.

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Shut up. All right, Brian, Let's let you and I

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get into it a little little bit here. I know

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that for our Ricochet audience, you guys, some of them

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some some came from Los Angeles, some from Michigan, all

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over the place, happy to see them, and some folks

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in the Brian Rush Show. Yeah, yeah, a few of them.

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So I got a question. Yes, So I drove eighteen

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wheelers all over the country for a while and it

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included Massachusetts where you're from. Is that right?

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Yeah, that's the that's the hometown territory.

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Okay. So there's a stereotype Massachusetts. Folks there tend to

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be politically to the left of Lennon. I think, you

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know what, it's only part of the state that's that way,

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both Vladimir angels Oh, part of the state.

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It's only part of the state.

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And it's odd because the city of Worcester is where

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it divides, and it also divides in how you say it.

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So if you're on one side.

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The west side of Worcester, it's Worcester and you're Republican.

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If you're on the other side of Worcester, it's Worcester and.

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You're a Democrat. Okay, So they can't even pronounce the

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name of the town's right, So.

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What what part of what part were you from?

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The western part?

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Okay? That that makes it, That makes it understandable. Also,

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there's a there's another uh stereotype of folks of Massachusetts

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that are kind of surly, kind of crusty a little bit.

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They call us a word that I can't repeat.

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It has something to do with holes and masses, and

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if you put together you get the nickname.

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For who we are.

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You know, when I used to drive from Massachusetts up

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into New Hampshire, there were signs on the interstate when

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you get into New Hampshire, New Hampshire drivers are friendly.

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Was it at admonishment to the to the mass people

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with us?

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You just get out of our way?

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When I drove eighteen wheelers in New York City was

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what are we doing here?

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Do you bring this one down?

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Oh? Thank you, sir, You're welcome. When I was driving

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eighteen wheelers in New York City, they would just go

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where they wanted to go and they didn't care if

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you're in the way or not. But in Massachusetts they

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were on offense. Yeah, they were choice like roller derby.

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Yeah yeah, we we we are very offensive drivers.

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But you're a likable guy. So I don't understand how

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this happens.

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Well, you know it happens every now and then.

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Yeah, well okay, but caffeine with me as Caffein's that

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keeps me out of the ealy news. Yes, so are

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we happy about their election election results? Folks? A lot

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of things to be happy about. We're going to make

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crime illegal again, that's kind of nice, make borders reel again,

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and make the country strong again. But what, Brian, what,

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what are you happiest about with respect to the election.

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That Milannia Trump is back in the in the first lady,

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because doctor Jill Biden. I just it's not as nice

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and eye candy. Now, there's a lot that I'm happy about.

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I don't know how much time do we have to

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talk about.

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That as much as you want it?

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Is it?

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Is it the restoration of civil society, the repudiation of

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wokeness and weakness, or some conglomerate combination of them all

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above or I think it's.

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A conglomerate of it all, all of it.

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I mean, you look at you know what's going on already,

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and we've only said, hey, he's going to be the

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president on January twentieth, and you see how much the

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country and the world and society and and everything has

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changed just from the announcement that he's become the president.

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I've told my wife it's almost like when the kids

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are misbehaving and they hear daddy's car pulled into the.

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Driveway, pretty much. Yeah, everyone streets out a little.

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Bit, Oh my god, we've oh hell, where do we

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have this? And it's also.

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Interesting too, because you see how prior.

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To the election, you know, so many people would not

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want to say, you know, hey, I'm a Donald Trump

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supporter and that I want Donald Trump.

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You saw more than you saw before.

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But once it was announced, it was like they all

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start coming out of the woodwork.

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Like, oh yeah, who, thank god, I heard that AOC

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got rid of her her pronouns too.

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Yes she did.

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I mean that's how you know when AOC is changing

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her pronouns on our social media site, you know, that's

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that's your sign R.

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And it's like it's like we were talking about when

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when you're on my show recently that Pete heg SAT's

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pronouns are kick and ask. Yes, yeah you know. So,

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oh hey, guys, guys, we have breaking news item hang

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on from the White House. President Joe Biden has announced

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a change to his official funeral arrangements, which will now

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include his casket being lowered into the ground by Barack Obama,

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Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and Kamala Harris so they can

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all let him down just one more time. Ouch, I,

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what do you make about this, this pardon hunter Biden pardon.

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Is their children are in.

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The pardon, I think is.

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And then this may be an unpopular opinion, the pardon

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for what he got busted for, you know, letting that go.

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You know, everything with Donald Trump is obviously going, and

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it's kind of one of those things where you look

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at it and can say, all right, this is something

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where you know, maybe it'll bring the country together and

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we'll stop with this law fair and everything else. But

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if you stop there, then it's fine. But when you

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look deeper into the pardon, it is everything that he

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may have.

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Or may not have. Maybe he was I don't know, but.

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Just in case, it covers so much stuff and blankets

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it so that he's immune from literally everything and anything

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that's problem.

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Anything he might do in the near term future, anything

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he may do or has done. So there'll be more

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partners coming down the pike, you think.

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I think there's gonna be a lot more partons coming

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down the pike, and I think it's going to be

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the same thing, which is gonna, I think, cause a

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lot of problems.

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I think essentially what he's doing is pardoning himself.

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I don't know if he's gonna pardon himself, but.

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By pardoning Hunter and some of the others, and it

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will inoculate him against blowback, he hopes. I don't know.

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Well, you know, one of the problems with that is

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the fact that they've they've they've pardoned Hunter Biden is

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that now he can't claim the Fifth Amendment.

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Because he can't just so they can bring him in

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to testify this.

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Yeah, so that now he's got to come in and

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testify about all this other stuff. So that was probably

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not a very well thought out thing. But then again,

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this may be another reason for why you're going to

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see a lot more pardons come down the road. That

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will be a problem, I understand.

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Well, we'll talk more about all this stuff and more

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in a little bit, but first I want to bring

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up our first guest, a buddy of mine. Actually, he

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was my best man when I married my lovely, gracious wife, Becky.

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Seated right over here, my friend Paul Bennette. He recommended

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a guy who could talk to us about the history

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of the local area and for the Ricochet folks who

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may not have been here before, and even for the

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rest of us there's some fascinating history in Bay County.

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His name is Bob Hurst. He's with the Bay County

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Historical Society. So folks, if you don't mind, please welcome.

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Mister Bob Hurst.

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You can finish your food and finishing it needs to

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cool off with them, mister Hurst. If you want to

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wear the headphones is whatever you like to do, but.

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I might not be able to hear with them.

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Okay, So how did you wind up with the Bay

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County Historical Society.

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Well, I've been interested in history just about all my life.

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And we've been merchants in the downtown since nineteen thirty eight,

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and when people wanted to know something about downtown history,

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they got to where they would come to us because

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we've been here the long and so that's how I

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guess I got wrapped up in the history of the downtown.

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But I have.

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I've been interested in history pretty much all my life.

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I studied archaeology, okay, went to the University of London

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and studied Middle Eastern archaeology, and then went to Iran

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and did some excavations, and I taught school over there

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and met my beautiful wife over in Fantastic.

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So the Panama City area. Did it start out in

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the earliest iteration is fishing camps or I know there

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were various settlements dotting the landscape here.

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It started out as a resort development. In fact, the

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very name gives it away. They called it Park Resort.

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The McKenzie Park was the focal point of the of

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the town, and they built the retail area of down

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Harrison Avenue down to the docks and around the park

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were the houses. And even today, if you want to

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get a real feel of what the old town looked like,

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go down to the park and walk from there down

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to the old South House down here the courthouse. That

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area has remained somewhat like I can remember it as

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a as a kid.

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I read somewhere Who was the gentleman's name, George Mortimer.

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I'm sure that name rings a bell. In nineteen o six,

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he and I weren school together during that time he

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named the place of Panama City. Because I don't know

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if you can tell me if it's correct or not,

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that if you draw a straight line from Chicago down

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to Panama that that line will go right through where

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we are now in Panama City? Is that correct?

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That definitely had something to do with it. I believe

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it was in nineteen o six mister West and Bob McKenzie,

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who became the mayor and the president of the railroad.

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We're talking, and.

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I think it was West or mackenzie asked well what

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should we call this place? And the president of the

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railroad said, well, why don't you call it Panama City?

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Because he was very interested in making our area of

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major harbor, and the Panama Canal was just being opened

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at that time, and he envisioned, you know, this big

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trade between here and and that's the reason he said,

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well why don't we call it Panama City? And this

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this little community, it was nothing more than a small

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village at the time. It didn't have any more prestige

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than any of the other settlements along the bay. There

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was Chromatone, there was Saint Andrew's, there was Millville, there

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was Farmdale. All these little communities were along the bay.

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But the the railroad, both literally and figuratively, put Panama

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City on the map.

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Okay uh And I don't know, I probably didn't tell you,

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but years ago I was the historian out here at

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Tendel Air Force Base, and I remember reading about a

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gentleman named Hawk Masalina, which is the name that's pretty

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much fulfilled with the Lord. He lived to be like

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one hundred and eight years old or something like that.

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Yeah, Hawk and his father also, Yeah, Yeah, they both

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lived to be quite elderly. Probably they were probably they

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probably lived to be one hundred.

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Yeah, and they've lived out part of the part of

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the base now Redfish Point, I think is where they

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ended up settling. Is that correct?

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Yes, they lived out there until the government ran them.

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Off for a tend Air Force base field out.

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There Maslona Bio, which is how the downtown's bio was named.

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For Jose, not Halk.

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Jose had a ship a shipbuilding outfit down there on

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the on the bio and that's that's where it got

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its name.

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Okay, was a fixture in the Panama City area that's

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been here a long time, but it's not active now.

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It's the paper mill, which I think is where Millville

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sprung up. Was around the paper mill area, Right, How

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did that operation get started? How did it the paper mill?

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How did that come to be about?

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Uh? Well, I I don't know exactly how how they

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got interested in it, but it certainly was a it

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saved this area because the depression was upon us, and

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suddenly this paper mill came in here and it gave

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all these people jobs, which was badly needed needed. So

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there had been originally in that area a lot of

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uh of woodworking saw mills, there had been turpentining operations

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over there, and it kind of was just natural almost

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for it to suddenly become a paper mill where wood

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was brought in and was converted into papertly. Mister West,

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I'm sure had a big hand in getting that here,

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as well as the other dignitaries like Mayor McKenzie.

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I know some people years ago that I knew that

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that worked out there, and the paper mill, if you're

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not familiar with it, has a very unique aroma. I mean,

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you can drive My dad used to say that you

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could drive by and break wind and no one in

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the car would being even wiser about it. But I

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shouldn't do that, should I? Sorry?

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Well yeah, well, you know, you know, the people would

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comply like old timers about it and say you know

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that that paper mail it smells terrible, and the old

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times say, what it smells like money?

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To me?

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Yeah?

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Yeah, yeah, it does.

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Guys, just smell a lot like money. But you know,

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I was having this great.

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Conversation with him and his beautiful wife a little while

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ago about history, and uh, you know, there's there's a

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lot of great history in the world, and this is

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one of the conversations we started going on.

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But you know, I want to ask.

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You this because there's this, this this saying that always

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goes that those who fail to learn from history are

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doomed to repeat it. And there's so much history uh here,

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not only in the Panama City area, but you know

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in Florida, Like we're our conversation, we had earlier a

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lot of the stuff in the Middle East.

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As somebody who's a big history person.

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And you taught history for a very long time, what

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are some of your thoughts of where we're going in

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the future with the fact that so many people don't

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know a lot of basic history.

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Yeah, well, it's it's sad. I mean, the United States

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is so the leader in the world and we're involved

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in all these countries, yet it amazes me that how

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little a lot of the public knows about the cultures

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in these other places.

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And also, I don't know.

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Where we're going, but I wish that the school system

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would involve social studies a lot more in the schools

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than they have. Uh. I think it's really the emphasis

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on social studies has declined, I think a lot in

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the past few decades. It seemed like when I was

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in school, it was a big subject. But I hope

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that maybe maybe this new administration will help us and

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get to get social studies back into the system. Let's

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let's hope we can get back.

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Get a lot more or less woke stuff out in

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a little more than stuff we're supposed to know.

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Yeah.

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You know, when I was in high school, my American

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history teacher, I said, well, he offered us an idea

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and said, well, there's this place down in Port Saint

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Joe called Saint Joseph. It was an old town, it

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was lost, it's they had a railroad down there, and

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it never has been mapped. And he said, if anybody

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will take over that that subject and we'll do some

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research on it, I'll I'll give them given them a

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and h.

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And that sounded fun to me.

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I got to go out of the woods, and uh,

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instead of reading a book, I got to go out

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there and explore the area. And and so I took

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it on. And that's really how I got very involved

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in local history, was doing that. But today you couldn't

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do that, could you. You can You couldn't tell the

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kid to golf and do something else. He's got to

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learn exactly and in school. And I think that helped

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me more. That made me appreciate history a lot more

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than sitting there reading a.

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Textbook all day long. Uh. To what extent do you

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think that the both the bases here, the Navy base

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and Tendall, how have they helped or hurt even but

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the local folks here, the economy and everything. Seems to

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me that's kind of like where the a great deal

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of the middle class comes from. It's from those bases.

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But I may be totally warped on that.

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Yeah, well, I I think Tyndall certainly has helped the economy,

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and the Navy base too. They came in here in

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World War Two, and again not only did the did

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the paper mill boost the economy, but when they came

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in here that certainly helped helped this area. Uh, people

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from outside came in here, you know, they didn't they

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didn't have enough lodging for all the people who came

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in in World War two, they had this U hotels

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and boarding houses had to spring up all over the area.

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But if we was you know a lot of people

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think that if we lost Tendall, and you know there

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have been times when they have there been threats of

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Tendall being demolished and removed, but that that's.

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Some prime real estate over there.

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I'm not advocating that Tendall go away, but I'm just

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saying if it did, I think we would survive because

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there is a lot of potential in that time. If

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if any of you have ever been on it.

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It's just beautiful.

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So a lot of it is pristine area.

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St.

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John.

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Oh, yes, okay, tell us.

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The question was in case anybody who didn't hear telling

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us a little bit more about the stuff that you

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found in Saint Joe, because you know, this is something

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about Saint Joe too that I think so many people

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don't understand the history behind it and the family that

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was behind it, the DuPonts, and so much more.

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What did you find over there?

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Well, the Duponce came later.

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The first development in Saint Joe was about nineteen about

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eighteen thirty six, and they were trying to siphon off

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the cotton trade from Apalachicola.

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They got mad.

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At Appalachicola, a company there claimed the land, and the

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settlers there realized that they found that they didn't actually

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own the land they were on. So they moved to

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Saint Joe and tried to compete with the Appleachicola trade.

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And they built a railroad to Apple to the Appalachicola

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River to try to siphon the trade off to Saint

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the Port of Saint Joseph. But I did I did

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work on mapping the railroad. But while I did this,

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I discovered from an old guy that there was a

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pair of the actual locomotive wheels out in the bay there.

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And I went down there with a team and we

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we found the wheels and one of the local shrimp

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boats pulled them out and they are on display right

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now at the Constitutional Memorial Museum in Port Saint Joe.

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So if you're if you go down to Port Saint Joe,

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go to the go to the museum there and you

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don't have to go inside there outside there on the lawn,

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but it's a pair of old spoke wheels that came

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out of the bay there that was the probably the greatest.

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Fine, I guess so, yeah, that's pretty cool. So my

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wife was a library person, then I was the base

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of his story, and so we will be going to

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check this out. Yeah, we're gonna go have a look

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at this. This is great.

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Well sure, please do you know in addition to that

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museum though, too, tell us about your museum that you

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have here on Panama City history. I mean, because so

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many people need to learn about Panama City, especially those

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born and raised here that may not know their history.

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Tell us about that.

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Okay.

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I'm vice president of the Historical Society here, and years

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ago we just had had a need for a museum.

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We had started collecting a lot of artifacts and they

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somehow needed to be displayed, and so we finally got

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a museum started. It's actually in my old building, one

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thirty five Harrison Avenue. I'm sorry, one thirty three Harrison Avenue.

479
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:04.279
You is where the museum is, and it's in an

480
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:08.680
old building that was built in nineteen thirty six. The

481
00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:12.119
interior of the building is it is just like it was.

482
00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:16.799
It was a hardware store originally, but it's very well

483
00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:21.519
preserved and we have a lot of artifacts.

484
00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:24.640
From Bake County and we've.

485
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:29.160
Got actually the old talking about the papermall. We've got

486
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:34.079
the actual whistle really from the everybody. I'm sure a

487
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:38.119
lot of people miss that whistle at the seven thirty

488
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:38.640
in the morning.

489
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:41.319
I've been at noon at noon also, I remember hearing

490
00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:42.000
that afternoon.

491
00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:45.839
I think at four or five it would blow. You

492
00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:47.960
can actually hear it if you go to the museum.

493
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:54.960
We've got an audio of the whistle. So and it's got,

494
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:58.279
of course a lot of other artifacts. We have an

495
00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:05.079
exhibit on halt Selena by the way, and several other things.

496
00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:11.079
We've got the case, the famous case here between Gideon

497
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:16.599
and called what it was, Wainwright versus Gideon, a famous

498
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:21.039
court case that took place here in Bay County, and

499
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:27.880
the result was it granted an attorney for indigent people

500
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:34.920
that couldn't afford That's probably the greatest national event that

501
00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:37.599
ever happened here in Bay County.

502
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:40.640
Do you have any speculation on what we may see

503
00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:43.599
coming down the road moving ahead in terms of development

504
00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:44.160
or things.

505
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:48.799
I'm just being a downtown merchant. I'm just so excited

506
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:53.880
about what's happening in the downtown. I've seen it change.

507
00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:59.279
It is becoming a go to place once again. I

508
00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:07.160
was there at the Christmas tree lighting this last night,

509
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:11.240
and I've never seen so many people as I saw

510
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:18.799
last night. Once I get this street skate finished, We're

511
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:23.200
going to see a great change here in the downtowns

512
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:29.960
want to become a very i think prominent resort place

513
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:35.680
as it was once before, and we just look forward

514
00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:39.359
to it. I'm a businessman downtown and I'm very excited

515
00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:39.960
at what's going.

516
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:43.279
That's fantastic, you know, mister Hurst. It's been a pleasure.

517
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:46.440
By the way, speaking of history, today, seventh December, of course,

518
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:49.359
is Pearl Harbor Day. On the day that Pearl Harbor

519
00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:52.480
was hit in seven December nineteen forty one. That was

520
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.480
the day that Tendal Field later become tender Air Force

521
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:59.000
Base opened their gates, so it all happened on the

522
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:02.400
same day eighty three years ago. Well, this has been

523
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:04.960
a tree sir, Thank you so very much. I've enjoyed

524
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:10.799
it post as Bob Hurst safe Jack. There's almost a

525
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:13.680
vaudeville quality that to the humor at times, which I

526
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:16.839
think is missing. Were you influenced by those folks?

527
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:18.359
Oh sure, I mean that.

528
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:20.599
You know, first of all, I'm old, so of course

529
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:22.759
you know, those are those are the people I grew out.

530
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:23.160
Of school with.

531
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:26.880
Look, you know, look, I don't begrudge change.

532
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:31.200
It happens. Humor changes, deliveries change. But I'm I'm not.

533
00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:33.079
Going to you know, I'm not going to try to

534
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:35.319
adapt to that and be hip and all that stuff.

535
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:35.839
I'm not hip.

536
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:37.920
I'm the only time you see the word hip associated

537
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:40.480
with me if it's followed by the word replacement. If

538
00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:43.559
your speakers are making a funny sound, you're listening to

539
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:44.759
the Dave Carter Show.

540
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:46.960
Well, my friend, has been a pleasure as always and

541
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:49.119
in honor to have you on the show. Thank you so.

542
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:51.720
Very much, Dave, thank you, and don't ever ask me

543
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:52.400
to do this again.

544
00:30:58.640 --> 00:30:59.880
All right, let me talk to you for just a

545
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.599
moment here about the place that we are podcasting from

546
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:04.960
in front of this wonderful audience. It's called Harrison's Kitchen

547
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:08.319
and Bar. It's downtown Panama City. Back to uh well,

548
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:11.880
actually I moved back here in twenty twenty two, and

549
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:14.920
that's when Becky and I met for lunch one day

550
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:18.759
at Harrison's Kitchen, and it just hadn't seen each other

551
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:21.920
in years, maybe a decade or more. Had a great lunch,

552
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:24.640
got along fantastic. We knew each other thirty years ago,

553
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:27.400
and then next thing, you know, six months ago, we

554
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:31.359
got married. So that is we finally took a little

555
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:35.759
while to get right, but we finally got right. Anyway,

556
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:38.680
the general manager here ethan Register. I mean, you couldn't

557
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:41.200
ask for a nicer, more generous gentleman. I mean, he

558
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.319
is fantastic, and he's got the Harrison's here. He's a

559
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:47.799
GM for the Hotel Indigo down the road, and he's

560
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:52.759
got the uh what is the place anyway, some eateries

561
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.240
there in the Hotel Endigo. He really likes him, and

562
00:31:56.680 --> 00:31:59.440
it's been he's opened up the place for us and

563
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:03.480
put them the heater's out, so we're all good. Meanwhile,

564
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:05.400
I'm waiting for the board operator to get his act

565
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:09.799
together here. Good luck, thank you, thank you, appreciate that.

566
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:11.000
Take on Helby and get.

567
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:18.279
And then this business about taking everyone's guns away. Tim

568
00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:20.240
Walls and I are both gun owners. We're not taking

569
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.319
anybody's guns away. So stop with the continuous lying about

570
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:23.799
this stuff.

571
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:26.640
No better.

572
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:31.559
Line, no better.

573
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:36.039
By Tata line, No.

574
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:40.440
You might as well tell the truth.

575
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:43.720
And just because you legally possessed a gun in the

576
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:47.079
sanctity of your locked home doesn't mean that we're not

577
00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:49.440
going to walk into that home and check to see

578
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.039
if you're being responsible sake and the way you conduct.

579
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:56.720
Your affair, so we're grown down.

580
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:01.279
You're telling our fop thing down, making me as your

581
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:07.720
plan looking fox. You says that you locn and the

582
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.759
more your limbs keep moving, the more you can't.

583
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:17.319
No Better, there's no question I'm in favor of banning facing.

584
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:30.079
No Better, Bob Wells, do you still want to banfracking?

585
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:31.160
No?

586
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:36.000
And I made that clear on the debate Station twenty twenty.

587
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:39.000
No Better.

588
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:42.039
I am in favor of saying that we're not going

589
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:45.200
to treat people who are undocumented across the borders criminals.

590
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:48.960
That's great, No Better.

591
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:53.039
You raised your hand when asked whether or not the

592
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:55.160
borders should be decriminalized.

593
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:59.519
Do you still believe that? I believe there should be consequence.

594
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:03.599
We have laws that have to be followed and enforced

595
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:07.400
that address and deal with people who crossed our border illegally.

596
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:12.239
You got them on every baby.

597
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:13.800
Do you plan to be to the.

598
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:17.320
Border not today?

599
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.519
Doesn't get a out of here, I don't really, I'm up.

600
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:24.840
I go.

601
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:26.559
Would you give me a hand with the bags.

602
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:29.559
You take the blonde and I'll take the one in

603
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:30.000
the table.

604
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:36.840
What day card show?

605
00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:43.039
All right, mister Brian Bob Hers is good one.

606
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.400
I love Bob. Like I said, I had had a

607
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:46.280
big conversation with.

608
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:48.840
Him earlier and it was a lot of fun chatting

609
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:52.360
with him about history and talking with his beautiful bride

610
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:53.559
about history.

611
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:54.920
Knowledgeable guy.

612
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:57.320
Oh no, I know, I would like to do this

613
00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:59.079
again and just talk to you for a while. That

614
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:02.519
was a lot of plun That was great. Our next guest,

615
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:05.599
moving smoothly along. Here is someone who's in the same

616
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:07.239
line of work that I used to be in, and

617
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:09.440
that is uh, you the one that reached out to

618
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:11.360
me with the idea of coming out here and doing this.

619
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:14.719
I Ricochet made up Brady Keel military story. In Brady

620
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:21.000
Keel You're welcome to where the headphones if you like.

621
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:23.639
Oh okay, you don't have to you just go like

622
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:25.639
the Mickey Mouse slub. You put the headphones on you

623
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:27.719
in there? Yeah, Hi there, how you doing.

624
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:32.679
Exactly what I was thinking? Yeah, I can hear David this.

625
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:37.400
Yeah that was going on baby, No, sorry, okay, So,

626
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:40.000
uh now, mister Keele's military story down the road at

627
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:43.000
Hebert Field. Special Operations come in and you have not

628
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:44.480
been there very long, is that correct?

629
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:47.599
That's correct, about six seven months. And it's all the

630
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:50.320
Air Force Special Ops except our unit where you know,

631
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:51.639
really a little more cerebral.

632
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:53.639
So that's okay, y'all think about it and the other

633
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:56.760
guys do it. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool.

634
00:35:57.400 --> 00:35:59.480
So you but you moved here from part of Florida

635
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:00.840
from Tampa.

636
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:02.039
Yeah, from Tampa.

637
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:05.239
Had a little sojourn down there. But my wife and

638
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:09.920
I had spent about five six years in Germany at

639
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:12.519
European Command in Stuttgart, and I think that's where you

640
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:13.320
and I talked last.

641
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:16.719
Yeah, you were in the Guard or the.

642
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:18.960
Reserve at the time, And just funny how life takes

643
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:21.639
you different places. I was a history teacher social studies

644
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.320
in the middle schools for twenty one years, but a

645
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:27.840
reservist and then got an assignment for a short time,

646
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:29.800
and then that turned into there, and then those dirty

647
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:32.199
guys got me and offered me a contract to do

648
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:36.679
adult education at the Command for those things and it

649
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:38.960
was great, I tell you. They said, do you like

650
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:42.559
working here? And I said, twenty years of eighth grade

651
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:47.079
lunch duty. It's the same behavior with people. It's just

652
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:50.360
they smell better and they drive expensive cars.

653
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:53.599
So do people do this to you? When I was

654
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:55.760
the wing historian Nintendol and some other base that they

655
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:57.639
would walk in because they knew I was his story

656
00:36:57.639 --> 00:36:58.679
and they say, hey, what's old?

657
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:02.840
They think all you do is sit there and look

658
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:05.199
at a book or you know, make a little pennant

659
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:05.559
or something.

660
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:07.480
Right.

661
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:10.960
Well, okay, so for those who don't know, what is it?

662
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:12.840
That a military history and at least in the Air Force,

663
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:15.519
different branches have different Yeah, thank you about that.

664
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.760
I have a friend who coined the elevator phrase if

665
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:24.559
you understand military intelligence feature where they provide briefings on

666
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:28.480
the adversary and present the bosses with what are the

667
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:29.719
likely things to happen?

668
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:30.400
What should we do?

669
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:34.760
In that it's similar except it's flipped. We collect information,

670
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:40.360
we interview, and we gather information to present what our

671
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:44.119
own people have done in a certain organization. So it's

672
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:48.480
a lot of footwork and getting data and interviews and

673
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:52.079
things like that. But it's fantastic. I like it because

674
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:54.760
I used to do it military intelligence and they're very similar.

675
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:58.199
But I feel like you present the commanders with like,

676
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:01.800
here's how we did this last time. Oh really okay, yeah,

677
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:03.639
that's not going to work, or you know, things like

678
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:06.679
that because it's so fast paced. They just make decisions

679
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:07.480
so fast like that.

680
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.599
Yeah yeah, yeah, So it's basically to prevent the reinvention

681
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:11.159
of the wheel.

682
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:14.840
Yeah right, we'll do it at three time costs overrun.

683
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:19.159
And how do they do it now? Because when I

684
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:21.760
was in it was all on dead Tree, right, It

685
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:24.000
wasn't digital. We just did it. There was a narrative

686
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:28.320
volume and five or six whatever accompanying volumes of supporting

687
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:30.559
documents because everything you say in the narrative has to

688
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:33.239
be a primary source document to go with it. Is

689
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:34.440
it all digital now or what?

690
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:34.800
Yeah?

691
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.280
We well it's a lot of same tools everybody uses

692
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:41.920
with Microsoft Word and Office and PDFs and capturing MP

693
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:43.400
three's on recordings.

694
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:45.400
I know nothing about that.

695
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:49.400
Yeah, well yeah, I think they see me coming with

696
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:51.559
my recorder. A lot of the people now going, oh

697
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:52.159
it's him again.

698
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:52.760
He was Intel.

699
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:56.079
He's probably gonna But I like recording people's conversations because

700
00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:59.000
now there's technology to just have it transcribed faster so

701
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:01.000
you can get more information on what we're doing.

702
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:03.599
So do they know that you're recording? Oh yeah, you

703
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:08.079
tell that's all that takes the fun out? Yeah yeah,

704
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:10.039
no really because you know you could get some really

705
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:12.440
candid stuff. Man, the commander sucks you even believe he

706
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:14.559
did that. It would be great to have you on

707
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:15.639
this day of the command, you know.

708
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:19.719
Yeah, yeah, no, it's I enjoy the job because it's

709
00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:22.280
a kind of it's it's very you can be creative.

710
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.360
I've come up with some connections and proposals to the boss,

711
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:28.360
like we should look at this, this connection, that connection,

712
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.639
and or you can said I was telling somebody, you

713
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:32.960
can sit like a potted plant and put the bare

714
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:35.960
minimum in and have something that's not useful in two

715
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:37.639
to three years when you need to read better.

716
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:41.760
That almost kind of highlights what I had said to

717
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:45.280
Bob earlier about how, you know, the whole phrase of

718
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:47.760
those who failed to learn from history are doomed to

719
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:49.239
repeat it, and that that's.

720
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:51.119
Kind of what you guys do is actually, isn't it.

721
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:51.400
Yeah.

722
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:55.519
The Air Force really puts more I think people down

723
00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:58.119
at the lower levels to do this kind of thing

724
00:39:58.159 --> 00:39:59.159
than the other branches do.

725
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:01.119
They all have some kind of it, but the Air

726
00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:02.159
Force goes down to.

727
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:04.760
The wing level, which for those who don't us, you know,

728
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:08.119
can be from a thousand to two thousand people organization.

729
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:12.519
How important is that though, to to really understand what

730
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:15.639
went wrong in the past, because, like I said, I mean,

731
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:18.000
we see it more and more nowadays with a lot

732
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:20.719
of our politics and things going on, where people they

733
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:24.320
just don't understand how we've done this in the past

734
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:25.400
and it didn't work.

735
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:28.559
Oh right, yeah, and it's things that you forgot did

736
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:31.599
work sometimes. But just recently I've had some of the

737
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:34.679
leaders in my bosses ask me, can you give us

738
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.760
the last twenty years of how we organized these kind

739
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.119
of units and things? And it sounds very boring, it's

740
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:43.320
not sexy planes flying and things like that. But I

741
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:46.119
got them a quick list, did a study, and I said, well,

742
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:49.159
we did reorganize for about two years in this way,

743
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.679
and we train people, We trained students, We develop tactics.

744
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:56.519
If you ever see a control room in the movies,

745
00:40:56.760 --> 00:40:59.199
anything that's controlling the air and telling the pilots where

746
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:01.079
to go, that they train all that there at Herbert

747
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:04.880
and those kind of things. So there's more need, there's

748
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:08.000
more demand, and not a lot of resources. So we're

749
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:12.199
constantly finding ways that we reorganize things, or hey, did

750
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:15.920
you know that other universities or maybe an online school

751
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:17.880
is doing it better this way. They just moved a

752
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:21.920
certain couple of redundant classes and things to some video

753
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:25.800
training that can be done that way, and that that's

754
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:28.199
kind of a small example, but yeah, We're constantly looking

755
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:31.000
at back things, and then I'm getting creative at finding

756
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:34.039
things like, wow, this is pretty good from about ten

757
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:34.440
years ago.

758
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:35.840
Why don't we Why don't we look at it?

759
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:38.519
I used to say when I was doing that line

760
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:40.679
of work that the idea was to have a corporate

761
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:44.719
memory and learn from the path. The folks that go

762
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:46.480
after us can see what we did right, where we

763
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:48.400
stepped on our noses and things didn't go right. The

764
00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:50.760
whole idea is to be more more efficient and more

765
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:51.880
lethal going forward.

766
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:54.760
I like how you put that. Yeah, that's it's always

767
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:56.880
been there. How do we be lethal? It sounds like

768
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.320
for somebody who's remember the armyists in the mility is

769
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:03.599
to kill people and break things, and we understand that,

770
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:06.039
let's do it as efficiently as we can.

771
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:07.280
And they have that.

772
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:09.320
It's kind of fashionable since a book came out about

773
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:10.639
ten years ago about the kill chain.

774
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:12.519
That's everything from you know.

775
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:14.800
Starting where do we get the supplies to where we

776
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.000
shoot it in the kill chain, and how do you

777
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:19.320
break the enemies and how do you keep yours your

778
00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:20.960
decisions and that going, And.

779
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:21.920
That's that's what it's about.

780
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:24.079
Like you do need to call on the military from

781
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:27.480
time to time, and if you're not making it efficient,

782
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:29.199
you know, what are.

783
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:30.199
You doing there?

784
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:31.639
Colleague?

785
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:33.639
Years ago when I was a teacher, they're like, so

786
00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:37.079
are they making plans to bomb a Ran? And I said,

787
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:39.519
I don't know, that's not thing. But if we have

788
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:42.840
certain parts of our planning people who aren't thinking about

789
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:45.480
what a possible war with Iran would look like.

790
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:47.119
And what would we what would we.

791
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:50.679
Do to help in our allies?

792
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:52.079
Are our interests?

793
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:55.360
I'd say that was a pretty miss gross miscarriage of

794
00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:58.199
resources if you're not thinking about it, And that's that's

795
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:00.000
why you have to do that. Just because we're practice

796
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.400
saying something or thinking about it doesn't mean you want

797
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:04.280
to do it, but you better be ready.

798
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:07.320
What part of your job do you find the most rewarding?

799
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:11.159
I think the people. It sounds strange because I spend

800
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:13.079
a lot of time, you know, writing at the computer.

801
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:15.320
But I don't know about you, but like, if I

802
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:17.079
don't know how you didn't do the job by going

803
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:20.360
to talk to different people, I may have told the

804
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:21.440
story last time I talked to you.

805
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:24.079
But when I became a historian to a new unit.

806
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:26.880
I was on about two weeks of duty as a reservist,

807
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:29.679
and I went to meet the maintenance people who fixed

808
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:32.679
our airplanes and they I was always told they have

809
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:34.960
really good records, so that would be helpful for your

810
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:39.679
basic gathering. And they they were like, Hi, they were

811
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:41.760
kind of puzzled to see me, and they were like, oh, hey, nice,

812
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:44.719
I'm the new historian and that. And one of the

813
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:49.840
guys NCO like middle of road guy, takes me around

814
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:50.639
and he's like, hey, we've.

815
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:53.119
Got the historian here. He's interested in what we're doing.

816
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:55.440
And I was like, oh, I never said that, you know,

817
00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:58.519
Like but it was great because by the time it

818
00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:00.880
looked like a little bit of a funny movie that

819
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:03.199
like a musical where you join in and there's two

820
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:05.119
people going down the thing, and all of a sudden

821
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:07.599
you got like twelve people behind you around these planes.

822
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:10.639
And I tell you, for those six years I was there, I.

823
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:14.559
Had no problem getting information from them and getting good information,

824
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:18.159
and I think the people constantly, and I like the

825
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:20.000
little surprise, like they're like, what.

826
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:20.880
Do you want to talk to me for?

827
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:23.320
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I used to. When I

828
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:25.679
was my last trip to the Middle East, I kept

829
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:27.480
bugging the general to send me up on some of

830
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:30.559
the missions, a wax and other things, and he finally said,

831
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:32.880
you'll shut up, I'll send you, and so I got

832
00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:34.719
They put me on the plane in the potet like

833
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:36.960
what are you doing here? Yeah? So I'm telling your

834
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:40.119
story because history is biography. It's not just dates and

835
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:42.639
places biography. I'm telling the story of what you're doing,

836
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:44.760
and it's gonna be there long after you and I

837
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.239
are both gone. He's like, oh.

838
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:50.039
Okay, right, I like to ask these young commanders two

839
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:53.000
years ago you i'm talking, what would you like to

840
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:53.360
have known?

841
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:53.880
Oh?

842
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:54.920
Okay, I got you here.

843
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:56.920
I'll send you these things of what we're doing, and

844
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:00.800
that helps a lot. Something you said though about Pearl

845
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:06.079
Harbor Day made me think too how much we didn't know.

846
00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:09.000
It's a different era we had. You know, no one

847
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:13.639
had mass communications of a certain kind, but how woefully

848
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:18.400
unknowing and unprepared we were about that happening. And it's

849
00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:20.559
not a it's kind of a cautionary tale. I think

850
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:24.519
people don't realize, and maybe this audience does because we

851
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:25.920
pay attention to a lot of the issues.

852
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:32.400
But China is amazingly stark. My wife's nodding.

853
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:34.679
She came in about two months ago.

854
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:39.119
My commander had a newcomer with spouse's day and gave

855
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:43.599
the unclass unclassified version of what we're doing at our wing,

856
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:47.039
and I was like looking at the slides, going yeah,

857
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:50.559
that's pretty good for unclassified. In my mind, I'm like, wow,

858
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:52.679
I thought that we were sitting in the red room

859
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:54.239
when we were talking about that, but it was it

860
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:55.079
was unclassified.

861
00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:56.880
But I think it really stuck.

862
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:58.920
And my wife agreed that she goes I'm not I

863
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.079
don't go to bed worried, but I'm like, oh, there's

864
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:04.920
a lot going on there, and I will be honest.

865
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:07.480
I'm always a little concerned with if we get if

866
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:13.119
our small c conservatism gets a little too isolationist. There's

867
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:15.360
just like the old saying like you may not be

868
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:18.199
interested in the world, but sooner later than the world's

869
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:22.480
interested in you and China has got I urge anybody

870
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.639
I can. Uh, I might post on it, just good

871
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:28.079
open source things about a quick little thing on China.

872
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:31.559
There's a long game there in their manure culture, and uh,

873
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:36.199
we need to be ready. They they have the vote

874
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:37.960
on if they want to do it and when they

875
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:40.239
want to do it and and blow things up over there,

876
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:44.000
and we need to be more ready. Uh you asked

877
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:46.400
about the election. I know some people think good, we

878
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:48.159
don't need to be in the world. I think though,

879
00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:52.480
there's a robustness to what President Trump wants the military

880
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:54.480
to be, like I be competent.

881
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:55.840
Do you need to?

882
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:56.119
You know?

883
00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:58.920
He bombs Sulamani, you know, and and uh, you know

884
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:01.159
things when when they got like that. And I would

885
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:05.000
like everybody to know that we're really planning on what

886
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:07.440
do we do, how do we protect people? But I

887
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:10.239
don't think there will ever be even meet myself. I

888
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:14.239
don't think any of us understand how awful a conflict

889
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:17.639
with China will be because we're also tied in and

890
00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:20.639
it may be your power plant in Panama City going

891
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:22.719
out for a little while, like what the heck? You know,

892
00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:25.840
like all forms of warfare and don't get me started

893
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:31.320
on TikTok. It is such a great weapon. So I

894
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:33.480
just bring that up because today makes me think of Asia.

895
00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:35.159
Yeah, let me ask you that I want to back

896
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:37.400
just a little bit to hit a kind of a conversation.

897
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.119
I was having a little bilegoing what you mentioned, you know,

898
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:42.199
with the whole idea of bombing Iran and when it

899
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:44.480
comes to, you know, the planning, because one of the

900
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:47.920
conversations that we were having a little earlier was Iran

901
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:53.079
mid seventies and earlier, and how it was a completely

902
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:58.800
different world. Do the history of places like Iran, when

903
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:00.960
we think about what it was and the fact that

904
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:03.400
there's still people alive that knew what it was like

905
00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:05.719
and what it can be, does that ever get into

906
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:09.880
play it into a factor with the decision making, you know,

907
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:12.400
because nowadays, obviously there's some conflict and some things that

908
00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:14.440
just need to be done. But do they ever think about,

909
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:17.239
you know, Iran used to be like this, and I

910
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:20.079
want to if we go in and screw it all up,

911
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:21.719
will it ever become that way again?

912
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:23.920
Or do they do they think about that type of stuff?

913
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:26.679
I know that I'm not going to fancy myself. Dave

914
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:29.599
would know at our level, the actual decision makers, but

915
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:34.400
they they spend a lot of resources on education in

916
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:37.480
the military on knowing the cultural background in that. So

917
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:41.039
I know at the higher levels, especially the career people,

918
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:47.119
they definitely think of these things. They do because when

919
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:49.719
I went to Central Command as a uniform reservist, I

920
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:51.719
got called up for several months there.

921
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:55.599
I got through the three day prep before you go

922
00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:55.960
to work.

923
00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.079
They do it for everybody, and they had a whole

924
00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:02.320
day with a professor gave us a like big primer

925
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:04.199
on them on what we were focusing on in the

926
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:06.599
Middle East. They have that for everywhere in the world

927
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:08.840
and in fact, where I'm not involved, at Hilbert, there's

928
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:12.000
a whole school at Hilbert for Special Operations that does

929
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:17.400
languages and deep, deep, fast and well fast but truncated

930
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:20.480
courses on where they may be serving and doing dark

931
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:23.239
ops or whatever, so they know the background and that.

932
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:26.440
But as far as liberating a country like Iran, oh

933
00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:28.559
that's a bad word, but you know what I mean,

934
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:30.559
like where it could be again, I saw somebody posted

935
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:34.320
a nineteen seventy nine picture of the Iran women's volleyball

936
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:37.119
team and it was like these looked like girls today,

937
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:38.039
you know, and.

938
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:39.760
Like something of a beach Boys video.

939
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:40.039
Yeah.

940
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:44.360
I came across something during my time in Suncom with Afghanistan.

941
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:47.559
There was a town called Loshkarga. It was in the

942
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:50.760
south and it was one of these British experiments in

943
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:53.280
the fifties where they've sunk a bunch of money in there,

944
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:57.119
and it looked their downtown was planned like a regular

945
00:49:57.159 --> 00:49:59.719
looking community, and they had photos of people dressed Western

946
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:02.400
and it was just so odd at that point when

947
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:05.199
I was at Syencom headquarters and it was the dregs

948
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:07.599
of the surge and all that, and just looking at

949
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:10.239
these photos, black and white photos from the fifties, and

950
00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:13.960
sometimes that's you're trying to impose something on some people

951
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:14.360
don't want.

952
00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:16.440
Unfortunate. It's tragic for the ones who want to be

953
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:16.920
like you.

954
00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:20.480
But I think there's that Persian spirit and Iran that

955
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:22.559
if they ever, if we would ever at the right time,

956
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:25.880
apply pressure to help the people who are bubbling up,

957
00:50:26.679 --> 00:50:29.599
to throw off the mullas. But that seems to go

958
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:32.000
against what our people want at the time.

959
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:35.360
Well, first, thanks, first and foremost for your service to

960
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:38.079
the country. Oh, thank you very much, and for being

961
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:39.920
here in Panama, sitting being a part of this.

962
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:42.639
A little well, thanks for putting this together. I was

963
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:44.840
thinking of you when I got the news, I got

964
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:46.320
the job up here. I'm like, well, at some point

965
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:48.239
we got to start talking, and it's nice to meet you, Brian.

966
00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:49.320
Nice to meet you as well.

967
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:53.719
Yeah, take care absolutely excess, mister Brady Keel military historians

968
00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:03.920
here now with news analysisis are senior political analyst Mark Benwaugh.

969
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:08.880
Mark Turkey Neck. By the way, while you're down there

970
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:11.039
in Florida living a good life with your friends at

971
00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:13.800
the live show, there are new developments in the case.

972
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:15.760
You have a cold or something. You don't sound right.

973
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:18.239
No, no, no, it's not it's not a cold. I

974
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:21.119
got a hold of some bad blow from Hunter Biden

975
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:25.000
one in the world. Oh it's my fault, completely, my

976
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:27.639
own fault. Actually, I should have known better than the

977
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:30.400
trust a guy who snorted half of Peru for dust.

978
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:33.119
Look, he's got a problem, okay, I mean you.

979
00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:35.280
Don't know the half of it. That dude put Pablo

980
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:36.920
LESCo Bar's kids through school.

981
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:39.039
What do you make of his daddy, by the way,

982
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:41.320
granting a pardon to him after he promised the world

983
00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:42.239
that he would never do that.

984
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:44.880
Say what you will about Joe, but he's a man

985
00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:48.039
of his most recent word. But you know, deep down,

986
00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:50.599
I've always thought of Joe Biden as a sort of

987
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:53.920
father figure. Also, I have twelve hundred dollars in unpaid

988
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:54.519
parking ticket.

989
00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:58.199
Well, what about Hunters? How's he taking the news?

990
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:00.719
Hunter was last scene celebrating in the Front Quarter down

991
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:03.360
to New Orleans, going from table to table, sniffing the

992
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:07.119
powdered sugar off of everyone's vignettes. I mean, she's radios.

993
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:09.280
Well, he's been under a lot of stress lately. He's

994
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:12.360
just trying to keep the you know, the family business afloat.

995
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:14.599
I guess a lot of good that did. The Biden

996
00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:18.079
family business is about as popular as a recurring genital infection,

997
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:21.519
and an anonymous source in the White House contends that

998
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:24.920
old Joe now wishes he had ditched Hunter and kept

999
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:28.760
the stork. Speaking of ditching people, you think Joe is

1000
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:32.039
glad to be rid of Kamala Harris. How does someone

1001
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:35.239
blow through one point five billion dollars in fifteen weeks.

1002
00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:38.519
I mean, that's what I call a parasite for sore eyes.

1003
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:42.679
She spent millions paying celebrities just to pretend to like her.

1004
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:46.199
Look DC, I'm not saying she's dumber than an ox,

1005
00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:49.119
but I'm not saying she's smarter than one either. I mean,

1006
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:52.119
every time I hear that woman talk, I get this

1007
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:55.719
burning desire to be lonesome. Did you see that drug

1008
00:52:55.840 --> 00:52:58.679
video she did a couple of weeks back. Her sentences

1009
00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:00.920
have as much sense of direction is a lit match

1010
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:03.760
and a pile of firecrackers. She's talking to us like

1011
00:53:03.800 --> 00:53:07.960
she's talking to the coldfish on Mister Rogers neighborhood, but

1012
00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:11.599
like a patient laid level by nagging bacterial infection and

1013
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:15.199
then saved by penicilla Keep. The American people can now

1014
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:19.039
breathe easier as we make crime illegal again, make Americans

1015
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:22.280
prosperous again, and take that stupid ass kick me sign

1016
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:26.320
on the nation's backside. So how do we memorialize the

1017
00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:30.000
last four years? I mean other than listening to some

1018
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:33.559
ponderous spotted owl or snail order think piece on NPR

1019
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:36.719
while asking the wife to please bring another effing vallium?

1020
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:40.800
I mean jeans. You can't read the newspaper or turn

1021
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:44.800
on the TV without seeing some insipid and waudlin characterization

1022
00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:48.400
of we, the supposed knuckle dragging messes who, when not

1023
00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:51.320
voting for Donald Trump, spend our time staring at our

1024
00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:54.079
hands wondering what a post thumbs are for, oh, while

1025
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:58.920
chanting ooga booga, ooga booga. Of course, the entrance politicians

1026
00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:02.199
aren't very happy with this either, but I think politicians

1027
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:05.840
are overblown. If you can't it, my roop, fine tell

1028
00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:09.199
me DC. Do you remember that unctuous and overwrought little

1029
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:12.840
did even someone thought to use when describing someone or something,

1030
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:16.360
saying M is for this, and T is for that,

1031
00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:19.519
and oh is for some other thing. Well, when I

1032
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:22.679
think of the Biden administration, the most polite and generous

1033
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:25.920
word that I can come up with is mediocre. And

1034
00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:29.119
I have the definition right here in my desk. Let's

1035
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:35.639
see there we can go mediocre. M this romantic, depressive,

1036
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:38.639
a feeling almost always preceded by a trip to the

1037
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:43.039
grocery store. E is for inuysis. Now that's the bedwetting

1038
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:45.719
problem that plagued liberals to this day when they think

1039
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:50.280
of Donald Trump. D is for dementia and no explanation

1040
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:54.679
either there right, I, Well, that's for irritable bowel syndrome,

1041
00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:57.719
which we've been getting every damned April fifteenth for the

1042
00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:02.400
last four years. O. Well, that's for obscene and obese,

1043
00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:05.519
as in the obscene amount of money that Congressman Jerry

1044
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:09.039
Nadler has gone through to be so very very obese.

1045
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:12.519
He's big enough that smaller people orbit around him. Look,

1046
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:16.960
I've known maybe five truly fat people over the years,

1047
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:21.679
and Jerry Natler is four of them. See is for Caddy.

1048
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:24.679
If you look in the Webster's eleventh edition, it says

1049
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:29.320
see Joe Biden, Michelle Obama, Dana Bash and Karine Jean

1050
00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:33.559
Pierre are It's for revolt, which is what the American

1051
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:37.800
people have done to the Biden Harris administration. And E well,

1052
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:40.599
that still stands for in eurysis. That's the bed wedding

1053
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:44.960
problem that currently plays career criminals, drug cartels of Venezuelan

1054
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:48.320
gangs in the United States, the Mulahs in Iran, and

1055
00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:52.679
every authoritarian and dictator for mouth a change fine in

1056
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:59.239
a strong America is back. As for news, I'm Martin Benois.

1057
00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:09.079
All right, folks, So a few years back I has

1058
00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:11.519
my own face of writing and turning out articles and

1059
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:14.199
podcasts was waning a bit. I'll due to some really

1060
00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:17.280
weird circumstances, I noticed a lady who was more than

1061
00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:20.679
picking up the slack. She was and is a prolific

1062
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:25.039
writer and wonderfully thoughtful writer and lady at Ricochet. I'm

1063
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:27.480
an American Thinker as well, and I thought it'd be

1064
00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:30.119
great fun to hear from her today. So ladies and gentlemen,

1065
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:33.639
would you please welcome can Ricochet contributor to Susan Quinn

1066
00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:44.280
the Rockstar. Absolutely absolutely. Ms Quinn, as I mentioned as

1067
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:47.079
a prolific writer at Ricochet, and she's published in the

1068
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:49.760
American Thinker website, which is one of the go to

1069
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:52.519
places that I go to for news and analysis on

1070
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:54.480
what's going on and what to think about it. Susan,

1071
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:56.239
thank you for agreeing to appear on the program today.

1072
00:56:56.239 --> 00:56:57.159
It's great to have you here.

1073
00:56:57.280 --> 00:56:58.320
Thank you for having this.

1074
00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:01.440
This is the way fun. First, are you enjoying your

1075
00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:04.320
visit to the Panama City area now that.

1076
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:05.239
It's warming up?

1077
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:09.480
Yes? Thank you. The accommodations are okay, because yes, everything's

1078
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:10.280
been very fine.

1079
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:12.400
If not, let me know, I'll have Ban Brian beat

1080
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:15.119
them up. Okay, yeah, we'll take care of you for that.

1081
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:19.559
So first, the most obvious issue the twenty four election

1082
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:22.840
and the aftermath. Did you see the victory coming for

1083
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:25.039
in Trump's favor or were you kind of on the

1084
00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:25.719
edge of your seat.

1085
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:28.719
No, I was running around with my fingers crossed. I

1086
00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:32.239
did not see it coming. I think at this point

1087
00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:35.400
we felt so browbeaten by the by the left. That

1088
00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:40.440
and of course the previous selection where we you know,

1089
00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:43.400
people argue about whether we really lost it or we

1090
00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:46.480
did right right, right, But no, but I was thrilled

1091
00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:48.679
when I saw the results. I thought we did such

1092
00:57:48.679 --> 00:57:51.599
a good job of being sure that people knew who

1093
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:58.159
we were, that and they and promoting also the terrible

1094
00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:01.159
things that the left was doing that people finally woke

1095
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:03.760
up and said, ooh, I think I need to change

1096
00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:05.239
sides at least for this selection.

1097
00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:08.519
Was there any one thing that, in your mind kind

1098
00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:12.119
of swayed the public over to the Trump's side or oh.

1099
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:14.440
Yeah, the economy. That had to be the big thing

1100
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:17.440
with the economy, and the borders too. But I think

1101
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:21.280
that people were really hurting. They were living paycheck to paycheck,

1102
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:24.239
they were going into debt, and I think, you know,

1103
00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:27.280
if finally was time for them to say and this

1104
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:29.480
is non changing, and there's nothing you can tell me

1105
00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:31.519
that will make it look any better than it is,

1106
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:33.880
although they try that too, So I think those are

1107
00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:34.480
the big things.

1108
00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:36.920
Now, you wrote an article in The American Thinker recently

1109
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:39.400
about Doge.

1110
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:42.639
You're a fan, right, I am a very big fan.

1111
00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:46.159
I guess this is the initiative of Elon Musk and

1112
00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:50.840
vivec Ramaswami to go through and pair back some organizations,

1113
00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:53.679
even eliminate a few. What are the odds of success?

1114
00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:56.280
I'm sorry, what, but what are the odds of success?

1115
00:58:57.119 --> 00:59:00.960
I think they'll be degrees of success. I think that

1116
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:04.320
you know, they're running against the civil service, which means

1117
00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:08.880
that people have fairly secure jobs. But I think these

1118
00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:13.119
two men are brilliant, and I think they know where

1119
00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:15.840
the bodies are buried, and I think they know the

1120
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:18.440
kinds of things that need to be done, and so

1121
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:21.440
I think that, and I think they're also targeting those

1122
00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:24.719
things that can be done early and quickly so that

1123
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:27.880
people will start to see results right away. So I'm

1124
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:29.039
very optimistic.

1125
00:59:31.880 --> 00:59:39.280
Oh, I'm sorry, I got all right, Yeah, they're sorry.

1126
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:39.480
I was.

1127
00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:41.920
I was listening to her intently on that.

1128
00:59:41.960 --> 00:59:44.920
But yeah, here's a question on what kind of highlighting

1129
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:46.880
what you just said with how there's going to be

1130
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:49.079
some things that may be right away and then there's

1131
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:51.320
some things that's going to take a little while. What

1132
00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:53.000
are some of your thoughts on the things that might

1133
00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:54.480
be right away, Because I think a lot of people

1134
00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:57.440
don't understand that the doge is is more of an

1135
00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:01.119
advisory because they don't actually have any authority whatsoever to

1136
01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:04.360
make these cuts. So for for those who are maybe

1137
01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:06.960
anticipating what's going to happen right away, what type of

1138
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:09.639
things do you think will be some right away stuff?

1139
01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:12.440
Well, there's there's a difference between the things that they

1140
01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:16.880
will recommend right away and when things will actually happen

1141
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:19.960
because unfortunately, for some of the things, they still have

1142
01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:22.840
to go through Congress, and you know that's going to

1143
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:27.639
be a stumbling block. But I think that probably cutting

1144
01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:31.559
back on looking at budgets that are are really excessive.

1145
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:33.239
I think I really hope they'd take a look at

1146
01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:38.000
the military, because although I want a better military, I think,

1147
01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:40.440
you know, oh, get rid of DEI plea.

1148
01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:44.280
Yes, I don't think we all agree on that one

1149
01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:45.519
without a doubt.

1150
01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:48.639
And DEI throughout the government. I think that there's that

1151
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:51.559
Trump himself has talked about getting rid of that because

1152
01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:55.679
it's a disaster. You really want somebody, like they've said,

1153
01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:57.920
do you really want somebody flying a plane who was

1154
01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:00.840
chosen because they fit the d EI model?

1155
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:03.719
When you think about it too, the DEI, I mean

1156
01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:06.679
DEI is almost like regulations. You know, for every de

1157
01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:08.280
I thing that you do, it's the same thing as

1158
01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:08.840
a regulation.

1159
01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:12.920
It costs money, absolutely, and anything that costs money should

1160
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:14.519
be taking a look at.

1161
01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:18.639
That's awesome, especially if it costs money to the war fighters.

1162
01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:20.599
If you're taking money that they need to be able

1163
01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:22.960
to do their job and be lethal, as Brady and

1164
01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:26.000
I were just discussing, and instead you're telling you're spending

1165
01:01:26.039 --> 01:01:29.280
that money on putting people in different boxes depending on

1166
01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:32.199
their pigmentation and their genitalia and all that. And then

1167
01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:36.719
well that's those new uniforms right right, And not.

1168
01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:40.360
Only that's the DEI training that they have to go through,

1169
01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:43.400
and like that's really maybe a waste of time.

1170
01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:46.159
It's antagonism training, is what it is. They're teaching people

1171
01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:47.760
how to how to dislike each other.

1172
01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:50.760
Right, Oh, I think and I think it's working really well.

1173
01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:53.840
Yeah, we went we went from doctor King saying that

1174
01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:56.719
people should be judged by the content of their character.

1175
01:01:57.599 --> 01:01:59.679
Now we're looking at people's skin color and saying, now

1176
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:02.360
that is positive about their character. Now we know all

1177
01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:03.920
we need to know by looking at them, which is

1178
01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:06.199
kind of the wrong way. It is kind of asked backwards, if.

1179
01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:09.519
You will, right, I agree, I agree. So I think

1180
01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:13.400
that probably they'll be everybody should be running scared, and

1181
01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:16.639
from what I understand, they are, and that in itself,

1182
01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:20.400
I think is an accomplishment for for organizations to say, oh,

1183
01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:22.280
are they going to hit us and we're going to

1184
01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:24.880
lose people? Are we going to lose services? I mean

1185
01:02:25.039 --> 01:02:30.119
the whole thing they came down about the bureaucracy, the

1186
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:32.239
brucous it's.

1187
01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:33.320
Called deep state, that.

1188
01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:39.239
All the stuff that they were doing, the administrative state

1189
01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:42.280
is referring to. I mean, the fact that that has

1190
01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:45.760
been ruled against should give them tons of opportunities to

1191
01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:50.079
do things differently. Where people should are laws even though

1192
01:02:50.119 --> 01:02:52.920
they're not lawmakers. Those things are very important.

1193
01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:55.039
Again, it goes right back to that regulation. You know,

1194
01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:56.800
for every regulation, it's.

1195
01:02:56.599 --> 01:02:59.480
A it's an expense that people don't don't realize it, and

1196
01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:00.559
it's us that pays for it.

1197
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:02.480
It's not it's not the business it pays for it.

1198
01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:03.360
It's us the consumer.

1199
01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:06.599
Exactly where are the taxpayers? Consumers?

1200
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:09.679
Yeah, Susan. Do you have any comments or thoughts on

1201
01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:11.239
the transition process thus far?

1202
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:13.480
I am which transitioned.

1203
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:16.559
Well, I'm transitioning to No.

1204
01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:22.079
Oh no, we're not. That's just something you want to

1205
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:22.320
tell you.

1206
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:24.480
No, no, no, no, no no. This is not breaking news.

1207
01:03:24.519 --> 01:03:27.639
I promise hell no.

1208
01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:30.360
Now, I think everything that I've seen so far, how

1209
01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:33.840
quickly Trump has put things in place, how he is

1210
01:03:33.880 --> 01:03:38.639
fighting back again, like Pete hegseeth, give me a break. The

1211
01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:41.639
man doesn't have the best reputation when it comes to women.

1212
01:03:42.320 --> 01:03:45.280
But I am so glad that Trump stuck it out

1213
01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:49.159
and stuck with him. And I think, you know, just

1214
01:03:49.239 --> 01:03:50.559
the other day, I mean, it's like you have to

1215
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:52.960
check the news every day, like what is the latest now?

1216
01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:55.119
And now they're saying that hec seth may make it

1217
01:03:55.159 --> 01:03:58.599
through the process. I don't know who's spreading that rumor,

1218
01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:02.159
but I'm glad that they are because I think that

1219
01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:07.840
between his nominations and those getting started already, and people

1220
01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:12.000
meeting with the Senators and different committees, it's very exciting.

1221
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:14.760
We kind of need somebody in that role for the

1222
01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:17.960
Department of Defense to run that that is not afraid

1223
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:20.320
to say I'm going to fight, you know.

1224
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:22.400
I mean, this seems to be like the thing with.

1225
01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:25.840
Politics, where something that happened in your past, something that

1226
01:04:25.880 --> 01:04:28.360
you may have said, and it's like you've got to

1227
01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:31.239
cower down to it and instead of actually going yeah,

1228
01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:34.280
and and you know, it's like, I mean, those are

1229
01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:37.480
the US that are are Trump supporters, you know, twenty sixteen,

1230
01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:40.480
there's nobody that just went, oh my god, he was

1231
01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:41.599
a playboy.

1232
01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:43.880
Like he actually dated a lot of women. Oh what

1233
01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:44.400
a shock.

1234
01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:47.679
Nobody cared because we looked at more of his his

1235
01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:49.639
ability in what he's going to do. And I think

1236
01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:51.519
that's what a lot of people are looking at with

1237
01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:53.920
with Pete Hegsath. It's like people are going, yeah, so

1238
01:04:53.960 --> 01:04:56.920
he cheated on his wife and his girlfriend and then

1239
01:04:56.920 --> 01:05:00.159
his pregnant girlfriend and his other wife and then but

1240
01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:02.559
you know what, he's also very intelligent and he's also

1241
01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:04.559
done all this other stuff and we like what he's saying.

1242
01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:07.440
I mean, not like the wife thing, the cheating thing,

1243
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:09.480
but how does that affect me?

1244
01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:11.920
And I think a lot more people are realizing it

1245
01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:12.920
doesn't really affect me.

1246
01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:15.840
And I'm sure he's going to have allies in the

1247
01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:18.320
Department of Defense who are going to help the people

1248
01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:20.840
are orrid. Oh he's never been a big organization, or

1249
01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:24.119
at least not one that big. Anyway, he'll find people

1250
01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:26.360
who will help. And he's the kind of person who

1251
01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:27.719
makes friends well.

1252
01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:29.840
And when someone's breaking into your house in the middle

1253
01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:31.239
of the night and you call nine one one and

1254
01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:32.760
you want the police to be there, you don't say,

1255
01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:35.639
wait a minute till the dispatcher give me a background

1256
01:05:35.719 --> 01:05:37.559
check on this guy before he comes and saves my life.

1257
01:05:37.679 --> 01:05:38.239
Exactly.

1258
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:40.519
You want what you need at that moment, same.

1259
01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:43.000
Kind of thing. Absolutely, I can't wait till he can

1260
01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:44.159
get started me too.

1261
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:47.679
Last question that I have for you anyway, And you

1262
01:05:47.679 --> 01:05:50.280
can feel that however however you wish. But the old

1263
01:05:50.320 --> 01:05:52.360
saying is that a conservative is a liberal who got

1264
01:05:52.440 --> 01:05:55.559
mugged by reality. And we all come around to this

1265
01:05:55.639 --> 01:05:59.079
side somehow. I'm born, you know, or was there a

1266
01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:01.559
catalyst or some specific thing, or have you always been

1267
01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:03.119
kind of on the right side of the spectrum.

1268
01:06:03.159 --> 01:06:06.719
Oh no, I'm Jewish. My parents were Democrats, of course,

1269
01:06:07.159 --> 01:06:10.760
and they weren't very political though, so I didn't really

1270
01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:13.000
get into political politics.

1271
01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:14.159
It took that.

1272
01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:16.800
That took a long time. But I think the interesting

1273
01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:20.360
thing about what's really moved me to the right was

1274
01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:24.079
that I belonged to an organization that's called the Forge,

1275
01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:27.079
and these are supposed to be people who are our

1276
01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:31.239
leaders in spiritual communities. They could be religious, or they

1277
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:34.480
might not be religious, but they're spiritual. And we had

1278
01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:39.880
a group online and they we would discuss things with

1279
01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:41.960
each other, and more and more I found that I

1280
01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:44.280
was the only one on one side and everybody else

1281
01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:47.880
was beating up on me, And I said, what is

1282
01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:51.400
this really about? And I finally realized that all of

1283
01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:57.440
these spiritual people were not very enlightened, if you will.

1284
01:06:57.920 --> 01:06:59.719
And there were a few of them who actually could

1285
01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:02.880
have some conversation with me, but for the most part,

1286
01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:07.280
they just It was very discouraging because I thought, you

1287
01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:09.760
people should know enough to be able to have civil

1288
01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:15.679
conversations with people, no pun intended. And uh, that was

1289
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:17.920
my big learn And I said, all right, I'm going

1290
01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:21.400
to see myself. I am on the right, I am

1291
01:07:21.519 --> 01:07:23.599
conservative and proud of it.

1292
01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:26.760
Isn't this has been a treat you? Another question?

1293
01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:27.320
I'm good.

1294
01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:29.400
Okay, well nice, nice to meet Chi again, Ieball and.

1295
01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:30.320
The rest of my sandwich.

1296
01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:34.760
Oh that my gumbo was still waiting. Oh but this

1297
01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:37.039
has been a treat. Thank you so very much for

1298
01:07:37.119 --> 01:07:39.559
coming all the way up here where it's cold and

1299
01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:41.400
spend the time with them talking with this. I really

1300
01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:42.039
appreciate it.

1301
01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:43.000
Thank you for having me.

1302
01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:45.679
Okaus Ricochet contributed to Susan Quinn on the day of

1303
01:07:45.719 --> 01:07:50.199
quarter program.

1304
01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:54.519
I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass.

1305
01:07:56.079 --> 01:07:57.639
I am all out of bubble gum.

1306
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:18.600
In case you hadn't figured it out yet. What this

1307
01:08:18.640 --> 01:08:20.399
show does is give me a chance to play with

1308
01:08:20.439 --> 01:08:22.159
this little toy here and pull up all the sound

1309
01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:23.880
effects on the music and all that kind of My

1310
01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:26.720
wife will tell you, I'll go back to my lair

1311
01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:29.000
what I call my little studio office, and I will

1312
01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:30.920
sit there and just load stuff on here and start

1313
01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:34.399
playing and mixing and you know, honey, suppers cold. I'll

1314
01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:34.960
be there in a minute.

1315
01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:35.159
Ago.

1316
01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:37.960
It's interesting watching you play with that.

1317
01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:39.439
It's fun.

1318
01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:41.159
It seems like a monkey on crack.

1319
01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:44.159
What it does.

1320
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:49.199
It's like a cocaine bar, right, something like that. Yeah, okay, yeah,

1321
01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:52.000
oh well, Brian, what do you make of proceedings today.

1322
01:08:52.039 --> 01:08:53.680
It's been fun, It has been fun.

1323
01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:55.760
I'm trying to get back into the rim of things.

1324
01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:58.600
I've been off the air now for four days, so yeah, yeah, yeah,

1325
01:08:58.600 --> 01:08:59.960
you have to make usual for me.

1326
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:03.039
You made a trip up to Massachusetts to recharge and

1327
01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:07.840
get that right charge. Any predictions on the political front

1328
01:09:07.840 --> 01:09:10.239
for Donald Trump as he proceeds with the transition and.

1329
01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:12.640
The first two years are going to be very interesting,

1330
01:09:12.640 --> 01:09:13.520
going to be very critical.

1331
01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:16.159
I think that's going to be the big thing, because

1332
01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:20.640
if if Donald Trump and the Republicans don't really do

1333
01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:23.520
something in these first two years, the Republicans could win

1334
01:09:23.640 --> 01:09:26.840
back the House or the Senate in two years from

1335
01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:29.720
now and create all the chaos that we heard before.

1336
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:32.640
That's what the Democrats are saying before, is that if

1337
01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:34.399
Donald Trump gets re elected, we're going to see all

1338
01:09:34.399 --> 01:09:37.279
the chaos that we saw before. Well, the only chaos

1339
01:09:37.359 --> 01:09:40.199
that we had before was from the Democrats, right, right,

1340
01:09:40.319 --> 01:09:42.319
So we got to make sure that they don't get

1341
01:09:42.359 --> 01:09:43.960
in charge. So it's going to be very critical for

1342
01:09:44.039 --> 01:09:46.840
him to do things. And I've talked with a lot

1343
01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:50.520
of his people, you know, over the past couple of

1344
01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:52.960
years of the show and they've all said that the

1345
01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:55.039
one big thing that he's learned was all the mistakes

1346
01:09:55.039 --> 01:09:57.680
that he made, the surrounding himself of the wrong people,

1347
01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:00.279
making the wrong choices on things.

1348
01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:03.319
And he knows what he's doing this time around. He

1349
01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:06.000
knows where he's got to cut, he knows who to trust,

1350
01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:08.319
who not to trust. So it's going to be interesting

1351
01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:08.600
to see it.

1352
01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:13.680
And I think, you know, as soon as I solemnly

1353
01:10:13.720 --> 01:10:16.880
do swear, you know, you know, once that is all

1354
01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:20.479
said and done, we're gonna see that team go into action.

1355
01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:24.279
Well he's already told the folks holding the hostages, and

1356
01:10:24.439 --> 01:10:26.520
I love it. Yeah that when after he says he

1357
01:10:26.600 --> 01:10:30.880
solemnly swears, he's soldmly gonna bomb up. Yeah, they don't

1358
01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:32.039
release the hostages.

1359
01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:34.760
I have a feeling that we're going to see another

1360
01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:39.680
Iranian hostages situation where, you know, like Reagan unwrapped, you know,

1361
01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:42.399
down Pennsylvania Avenue up to the Capitol Building, there's going

1362
01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:45.800
to be breaking news that they've been released. Whoever's left, right,

1363
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:47.479
And that's the other sad part is that I don't

1364
01:10:47.479 --> 01:10:48.520
think there's very many left.

1365
01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:51.720
Yeah, so we'll see, uh so take him in and

1366
01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:53.800
as we want this sucker down here and tell you

1367
01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:56.000
folks about our respective shows. You already know what I do,

1368
01:10:56.279 --> 01:10:59.479
but Brian's got you got a huge audiences your.

1369
01:10:59.359 --> 01:11:00.920
Shows, four or five people plus my mom.

1370
01:11:01.039 --> 01:11:06.960
Yeah, yeah, and but you more than you. I'm just

1371
01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:08.960
not gonna. I'm just not gonna never mind. It's been

1372
01:11:09.079 --> 01:11:09.840
been nice knowing you.

1373
01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:11.600
Yeah, uh no.

1374
01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:16.640
But he's got a tremendous listenership. He's on five to eighty.

1375
01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:18.960
Monday through Friday Central Time right here in Panama City,

1376
01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:21.439
and of course heard on Newstalk at one to one

1377
01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:24.880
and then streamed around the world and the podcast so

1378
01:11:25.720 --> 01:11:26.399
big audience.

1379
01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:28.720
Yeah, and he's he's hurt literally all over the place

1380
01:11:28.800 --> 01:11:31.199
and just a great guy. Thank you for helping out

1381
01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:34.319
with this. It has been a lot of fun. Well,

1382
01:11:34.359 --> 01:11:38.199
folks about winds it up here. This has been a

1383
01:11:38.239 --> 01:11:40.920
real treat today. Uh maybe we can do this again sometime.

1384
01:11:42.520 --> 01:11:45.239
My thanks to Bob Hurst, who's had to go, but

1385
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:49.279
a local historian, Bob Hurst, military historian, Brady Keel. They

1386
01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:52.600
ever thoughtful and insightful. Susan Quinn, thank you so much.

1387
01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:55.560
And to my partner here radio talk talk show host

1388
01:11:55.560 --> 01:11:58.279
extraordinary Brian Rust and with my special Thanks to each

1389
01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:00.279
and every one of you, the listeners. Thanks, thank you.

1390
01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:02.000
I'm Dave Carter. I'll see you next time.