The Man Who Passed The 19th Amendment

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Podcasting from Memphis, Tennessee's storyteller,
historian, and maybe a bit of a

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hell raiser. Enjoy It's Dave Carter. Are you worried? Man? I

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anyway, we've got to get this
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Dave Carter. It is a delight
to have you here. Is always on

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the program. Now we're gonna take
a step back from the political fray today,

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from the immediacy of the strunning stream
of semi consciousness that's emanating from the

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legislative and executive branches of the federal
government, and instead of look at history

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back all the way to August of
nineteen twenty. That's when the Nineteenth Amendment

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was ratified. That amendment was the
one that gave to the women here in

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America the right to vote. And
oddly enough and interestingly enough, that amendment

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was ratified right here in Tennessee.
And even more interesting the deciding vote was

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cast by a Tennessee legislator that year, and his great grand nephew has written

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a book about it, and he
is my guest. I don't think I've

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ever looked forward to any inter of
you for a longer period of time than

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I've look forward to this interview today. Tyler Boyd and I again corresponding last

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fall, I believe with me wanting
to get him here on the program to

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discuss the book about his great grand
uncle Harry T. Burne in his decisive

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role in the passage of the Nineteenth
Amendment. Then came the election, followed

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by my computer giving up the ghost
and necessitating a complete upgrade and gear here

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so that finally we're ready to go. Mister Boyd earned his a Bachelor of

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Arts degree in history and his master's
degree in teacher education from the University of

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Tennessee, and he enjoys studying philosophy, history, economics, and geography.

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He also enjoys genealogy, traveling,
running, and cinema in addition to finding

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time to teach social studies in high
school. And yet he is also able

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to find the time to be an
author. Very cool. I know reach

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a lot of twenty four hours in
a day, but in mister Boyd's case,

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I wonder. But it's a pleasure
to welcome him to the program today.

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Tyler Boyd, how are you,
sir? I'm doing well to be

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here. How are you? I'm
great, Thank you, and thank you

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so much for being here and for
the patients that you've shown and they're still

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showing. Because we try to get
everything all lined up and get all the

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ducks in a row. As it
were. I'm glad we can finally sit

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down and talk. Your book is
called Tennessee Statesman Harry T. Burne and

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is published by the History Press,
and it seems to me at least that

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is as much a labor of love
and respect for your family as it is

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a comprehensive history of Harry Burne's pivotal
role in the passage of an American modment

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to the US Constitution which secured the
right for women to vote. That's at

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all order to fit all of that
in a single book, But you pulled

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it off, and you did so
magnificently. Is that what you had intended

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from the beginning of the project.
Well, the beginning was to set the

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record straight on his small but crucial
role than the nineteenth ratification, Okay.

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And then I figured, well,
that's not quit big enough, and this

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is the Hunt anniversary. We need
something bigger. So I started again to

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the remainder of his life, living
into the disco days as my teaching men

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seventy seven. So I discovered there's
a whole life story here, and that's

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what it turned into. Okay,
Well, I just came together wonderfully.

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Now. He was born in eighteen
ninety five, and he first ran for

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public office in nineteen eighteen. What
was it that drew him into politics in

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the first place? And he was
from a small town in east Tennessee,

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right, yes, and now I
woulda Tennessee equidistant from Knoxland, Chattanooga.

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His mother, pheb had said he
had always wanted to be a quote public

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man. He had done a lot
of interest in his community and in his

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community leaders in politics. I think
she exaggerated a little bit when she said

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he could name his congressional Jetrick at
age three, maybe on age three,

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But I and his family had been
recognized as staunch Republican since the Civil War.

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And one thing that Harry T.
Burns Jr. Or my late cousin,

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said he didn't want to overstate was
when Harry's sister Sarah passed away in

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nineteen fourteen, it just, you
know, left a big hole. You

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know, they were devastated. And
he says, perhaps my father felt like,

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you know, one way he could
cope with this is to go into

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public service, and that's what he
did. Okay, all right now,

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And you just mentioned his mother,
fab Burn and I gather that she,

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I mean, she played a strong
role in the story and in his life,

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and I gather she was a force
to be reckoned, with a huge

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force in in Harry's life and in
the family generally. So let me ask

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if you don't mind, because I
think there's some misconceptions and you alluded to

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it already surrounding his final vote in
favor of women's suffrage. So I'm wondering

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if you would summarize the circumstances that
led to that vote and the role that

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his mother, fab Burn played in
all that. Oh. Sure, Well,

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Harry T. Burn was like any
other state legislator of his time,

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and now it was a part time
job, but it' lot and usually had

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another job that was your primary job. But as a freshman legislator at age

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to twenty four, he found himself
in the middle of a what he called

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a national question. The Nineteenth Amendment
had been proposed to ninete Constitution in nineteen

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nineteen and thirty five states had passed
it, mostly out west and some up

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north, but the South theast.
Of course, it ran into a brick

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lab opposition, and they're hoping to
get one of the upper South states to

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go for it, and he was
called into special session in August and nineteen

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twenty to consider this amendment, because
the Tennessee Assembly usually meets in the spring

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and adjourns by April of May.
So he's called away from his railroad job

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as a telegrapher in August of nineteen
twenty and he gets over there planning to

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vote for suffrage. He even tells
his mommy believes in suffrage. But then

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the telegram start coming in from prominent
citizens from both parties, very powerful people,

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the turn General who works for Wardrow
Wilson, the President, and he

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gets letters to the chairman of the
RNC, Will Hayes, also known for

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the Hayes Code in Hollywood, and
he's been misled into thinking, my districts

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against this, So I'm going to
start wearing the red rose, which signified

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his opposition because yellow rose is singing
your support for suffrage. And his mother,

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fab is reading the papers at home
and she notices he hasn't taken a

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stand and he might actually be caucusing
with the anti suffragists. He might be

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sort of just leaning a little bit
against it. So he writes him a

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letter that arrives just in time for
his vote on the morning of Wednesday,

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August eighteenth, nineteen twenty, and
she asks him. She does not admonish

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him, noting her browbeat him.
She asks him to vote for suffrage,

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and she gives him advice as a
parent to a grown adult child, and

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thankfully listened to her advice. Okay, And it may surprise some of our

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listeners to know that there was a
fairly substantial resistance to the nineteenth Amender in

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the Tennessee where a state Senator Candler. I believe it was warning against something

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he called petticoat government. What a
quaint little phrase that was. So Harry

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was taking I assume both a personal
and professional risk by casting the vote that

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ratified the amendment. Is that fair
to say? Yes, it was certainly

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a risk to his career. It
wasn't as much of a risk because he

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thoughtn't the time, but still that's
what was on his mind. And Senator

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Candler as a character, I had
no idea even existed. Todd to this

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research Arty barn Jinger and never discussed
him. But he was a state senator

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for Harry's district, actually also from
McMain County, and he had given the

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racist, sexist speech against woman's suffrage
and the Petticoat government was among some of

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the least offensive things. He said, Oh wow, okay, And that's

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all in the newspaper. And his
mother, phab By Red subscribing to all

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the daily newspapers in Tennessee, the
Tennessee and the Knox and news sent in

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all the Chattanoog good news predecessors to
the Times Free Press, you know.

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And she sees her own state senator
speech, and she sees that Harry,

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of course, is very influenced by
Candler, because Canada was actually one of

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his mentors. He actually campaigning for
Harry in nineteen eighteen because Harry took over

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his old seat in the state House
and Candler was elected to the state Senate.

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So she's worried that Canader might persuade
Harry to go over to the anti

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suffrage side, so offensive to her, she's inspired to write the letter.

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And Candler's speech is really just a
good nutshell expression of a lot of the

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anti suffrage sentiment at the time,
especially in the South. So he cast

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the big vote, and from what
I understand and looking at your book,

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things got a little crazy in an
immediate aftermath of that vote, and what's

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the story of how he ended up
making a hasty departure from the chain itself?

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And I think from the building and
that different people had different accounts,

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But how did that go down?
Yes, there's the account that Harrity Burne

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Senior had, and then his son
and then the newspapers, and all of

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them contradict so much. Maybe you
want to pull my hair out, but

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I've already done that for him.
The fact of the matter is, the

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day of August eighteenth he left that
building. There were no photodrash taking of

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him. There were no statement made
at all. And basically what it came

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down to was the governor was really
worried about his safety, and he said,

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I want the sergeant arms to watch
burn until we can get the State

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Highway Patrol here to give him an
actual bodyguard. So this we're going to

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And Harry hated this. He said, I want to be under house arrest.

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I don't want people babysitting me,
so I'm gonna leave. And he

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goes out a window. There's a
side offices and out the side of the

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Tennessee House chamber and he goes out
a window and the at Ledge is about

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eighteen inches wide, and he should
meets along the ledge past the West portico

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which faces our soon to be old
State Library. They actually just moved to

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our state constitutions down the street to
the new library location near the Bicentennial Park.

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And then he went inside the old
library room which is still there,

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with those spiral staircases, you know, and he hides them there for a

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while, and it gets really hot. He's wearing a suit it's August,

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probably wearing Oxford's not exactly comfortable clothing
or footwear. And he leaves, and

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his son says he left quietly where
he says that a sergeant arm spotted him

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again and chase him down the street. And one reason I know this happened

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in the nineteen fifties, when Harry
T. Burn Jingor was just a teenager.

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He went to a suffering celebration,
probably for the third anniversary, nineteen

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fifty and this one to quote my
cousin, Harry Jingr elderly matron said to

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my father, Oh, mister Byrne, I was here. I was.

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I was a young lady with my
mother. We got to school and I

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saw the mob chase you down the
street. And he didn't correct her you

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know, he was polite, but
she saw something she saw that day.

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But he was never in any danger. I mean, the newspapers printed stories

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after his death, like in the
nineteen nineties and two thousand, saying that

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he ran for his life. None
of that's true. He just he's the

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one to get away from all the
celebrations and not be babysitted and just get

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out of her right, okay.
And there was apparently some blowback against him

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politically after the vote. From the
Knoxville Sentinel, we read the following,

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This is a cute little poem.
There is a young man from Nyoda who,

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for precedent, cares no iota.
He sprung a surprise when he flopped

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to the eyes and enraptured the feminine
voter. I mean, as far as

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poems go, that's fairly catchy.
But how did this all this play out

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with respect to his subsequent reelection campaign. Well, it all started that next

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morning when the Anti Suffer Nashville Banner
printed not so subtle accusations that he might

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have been bribed ten thousand dollars in
nineteen twenty. That's a substantial amount today

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yet for his vote. And the
next day he showed back up at the

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House Chamber and with Roche's ending nation, defended himself from those accusations that probably

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said my mother asked her to do
this. So he already knew he had

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an uphill battle going to get into
his reelection campaign. And the paper that

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really gave him the most grief was
at the time, the anti suffrage Chattanooga

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Daily Time, because the Chattanooga News
was the pro suffrage paper, and they

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had all these hit pieces, all
he was a draft dodger in World War

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One, he didn't do his duty. Our boys an't over there and died,

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and he's here working on the railroad
and all this kind of stuff,

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and they said he didn't honoring a
chituos wishes. But as it turned out,

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I discovered my research Hitchetrick was really
split down the middle, almost fifty

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fifty, maybe just an edge against
suffrage. But in October nineteen twenty Mtman

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County had their voter registration for the
general election of November nineteen twenty, nine

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hundred women registered to vote for the
first time, and they put him over

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the top and he won reelection by
I believe it was two hundred and eighty

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five votes. Give or take a
few, it was about six percentage points

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that he won by wow. And
one of my favorite things about this is

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after Harrity Burns Jinger passed away,
he old old bachelor, no kid.

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My cousins went through his desk and
he had in his desk. He never

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donated this to a museum. The
letter his father got from the MCMI and

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County Lestia Commission saying congratulations on new
reelection November ninth, nineteen twenty. And

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that really was him that his father's
action was vindicated by its constituents in mcmincamps

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right, And and that's that's that's
the whole point, as the people that

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you represent. In nineteen thirty,
I believe it was he decided to run

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for governor in Tennessee and he immediately
ran athward a certain politics machine from here

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in the Memphis area where I am, and that would be the machine of

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Boss Crump and his candidate I think
was mister Bruce. Crump's name is still

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remembered in these parts. But I
was struck by the fact that he proposed

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budget reductions if he were to be
elected governor. It's pretty brave and pretty

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forward thinking back then, and even
now, honestly, so, how did

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all that end up working out for
him? When he jumped into governor's race?

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The Great Depression, it just got
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till later on in the nineteen thirties, four FDR was elected. Republicans were

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on the outs all over the country, and even though Tennessee was a blue

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state, he might have had a
shot if it was like nineteen twenty eight.

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He was nineteen thirty. He really
didn't have I think a shot to

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win the general. But he was
going to go first party's nomination, and

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Arthur Bruce, Arkansas native millionaire and
at that time pret a millionaire from a

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lumber company. He was the choice
of the Republican Party, you know,

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for lack of better term, establishment, the chairman of the Tennessee Republican Party.

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He was his hand picked guy in
the Harry decide I'm going to make

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a run for it too, And
you know Boss Crump, you know,

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he would cut deals with the other
party sometimes, and of course, you

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know, he knew that Crump was
going to go on to win this primary

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and lose a general to Governor Horton, who easily reelected as an incumbent,

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but Harry ran I think a really
impressive campaign. There were times where I

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was thinking, my goodness, Harry, you have no chance of winning this

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thing. But you're going, you
know, one hundred ten percent into this

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and traveling the whole state. He
traveled to Selmer and Huntington and places I

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guess I would be southwest Tennessee.
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Memphis, and he went to Nashville
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not only was he for budget cuts, you know, a lot of great

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fiscal responsibility. He really, I
think I used my book, he really

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declared war on the estabishment, saying
I'm going to fire all the political appointees

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and all the people in the government
who have all these jobs that aren't necessary.

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And when he did right there,
he made a lot of enemies with

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that state people, even if they're
on the Republican side. So that didn't

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do him any favors. But that's
what he That's a platform he ran on,

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and that's not It wasn't popular at
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popular now in certain areas either.
There was actually a charge of electoral Shenanigans

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as a result of the political machine
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that correct. Yes, those were
very difficult for him to prove. And

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I don't believe that had they let
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have been enough to make a difference, because Bruce still won by over two

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to one margin. But still I
would like to see what the real elections

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were. But one thing to keep
in mind is I forget the exact number,

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but there are ninety five counties in
Tennessee, and I believe it was

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at least twenty some odds. We're
talking about one quarter of the counties and

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not even hold a primary for the
Republicans. So those are he could have

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gotten. Yeah, if you look
at the numbers in places like Knoxville and

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Chattan too, the good it's about
what you expect, you know, Bruce

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one, but not by a ton. But in Memphis, Bruce one,

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I want to say he got seven
thousand some odd votes to two hundred for

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Burne. I just trouble Shelby County. No, I think that's a little

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bit lopsided. It. That's one
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M I don't know if that's quite
right. And I believe somewhere it said

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that Bruce received more votes in this
Republican primary in Shelby County, which isn't

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exactly a very popular primary. I
mean it's a credit area. Bruce got

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more votes in that primary than Calvin
Coolidge got in Shelby County when he ran

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for president. Come on, Susan
and tried to get the Tennessee's Republican Party

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exact a committee to do something,
and they work, don't do anything.

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And then he gave it up.
But dimond for trying. Uh, speaking

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of Electarles Shenanigans. Um, what
I became, what I believe became known

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as the Battle of Athens took place
in nineteen forty six, and that was

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the culmination of years of one party
rule in McMann County. If I understand

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correctly, we're three county officials.
For example, we're convicted of election fraud

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in nineteen forty three, and yet
the Democrat machine there continued in one instance

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by closing the voting at ten am
on election day, and after only forty

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people had voted, they closed the
presect took the ballot boxes away to a

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secret place to quote unquote count them
where no one could see what they were

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doing. Things like that, and
then a group I'm simplifying this, but

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then a group of former gis who
had served in World War Two got involved.

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Can you tell that story? Certainly? And this relates to burn and

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yeah, multiple way. It is
actually another family connection here. The Paul

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Cantroll machine in mcman County had been
in power for a decade. Of course,

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he was very connected with Boss Crump, and due to the fact that

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the Democratic Party at the time control
of the tw the legislature, of the

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Tennessee justice system, and in even
President Roosevelt's Justice Apartment, even giving him

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the benefit of the debt with his
distraction with obviously World War two gis and

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their party, they had tried every
course of action to get relieved from the

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state from the federal government, and
nothing was working. And on election day

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when they saw that these people were
stealing balance again, there was a man

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shot trying to vote, a black
man actually shop or trying to vote.

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Those a man who had his head
beaten door. He had to go to

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the hospital. There were two guys
I had to jump out of a window

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because people were trying to shoot at
them. Sherff shows up, takes ballot

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boxes from Athens, the biggest city
Inmtman County, the only Prieston that really

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matters with the substantial number of votes. Let him to the jail and starts

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counting him with the giz loper knock. Let let them take this election.

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So they go to the armory,
they get their guns. They come back

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and on top of the hill across
to the jail and say give us the

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ballot boxes or else. And then
someone shot first, and they shot all

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through the night for about six or
seven hours, and then finally was anamtt

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the deputy sheriff Society to give up
inside the jail. The sheriff had already

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ran off. Sheriff Mansfield actually cantre
the State Center. They both ran off,

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but the deputies came out and surrendered. And turns out that if you

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looked at the baut boxes that had
not been manipulated, the gis one by

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a two to one margin. And
that made elections in McMinn County and surrounding

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counties competitive again because the countral machine
was aligned with the Birch Big machine in

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Polk County, and they also had
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So those are three counties in southeast
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Harry was able to run for state
Senate in nineteen forty eight, something he

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could not have done when the Cantral
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and he Tennessee because they controlled everything. And his brother in law, a

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man named with a really cool name, r. Ray Hammer, all surprised.

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He ran a hardware store, so
it was fitting. He was elected

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marrab Athens one month later with almost
a thousand vote, which I believe was

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a new record at the time.
So just keeping in the family, I

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guess. So that eventually, then, I think, is what you're getting

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around too. Perhaps is helped Harry
T. Burns run for the state Senate.

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It's not correct, Yes, that's
right. He would be able to

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have been elected without that, and
then he meted some significant reforms as a

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senator as well, right, okay. And one of the things that you

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wrote about in his second run for
the Senate the re election campaign was that

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he had no tolerance. It's really
stuck out why I'm bringing this up.

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It's stuck out for me. He
had no tolerance for fraud, waste,

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or abuse, and there's one quote
attributed to him that I absolutely love.

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He said, quote, choose ye
next Tuesday, whom ye will serve?

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The taxpayers with their great burden of
taxation, or the politicians who act as

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if your money was theirs. I
mean, how timely have you? Really

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was ahead of his time. That's
not only something you would say today.

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You mean, I get the the
kind of a response that you'd like,

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but I mean that was amazing to
me. Yeah, that's that's a great

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quote. I'm glad you liked that
one. Yes. He actually went on

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throughout his life. He voted on
three constitutional amendments. If I've got this

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right, prohibition, women's suffrage,
in term limits for president, and then

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he supported the repeal of poll taxes, and he tried mightily to have the

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voting age reduced down to eighteen.
It was it twenty one at the time

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to have that right, Yes,
in Tennessee, in most states it was.

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And eventually that amendment passing seventy one. I gather he was very happy

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about that. Oh, yes,
he actually said, I'm elated what he

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said. Yeah, I've read some
some of the back and forth, but

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I think his position was along the
lines of you ought not, as a

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young person be subject to laws and
put your life on the line to defend

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those laws if you have no say
in the laws as a voter. Yes,

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he made some very strong persuasive arguments
in favorable in the voting age to

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eighteen. And another quote he had
was, we take these young people they

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graduate high school at seventeen or eighteen, we put them on the shelf for

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three years to cool off, and
then we give them the right to vote.

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That there's no other very important life
experiences, including a job and maybe

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higher education, that they're going through
and they can't vote. And then it

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again you mentioned the draft. Yeah, and in a lot of ways,

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even more so today eighteen years old
as an adult, and they just had

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the right to vote too, and
they just weren't going to go for it.

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And that took a federal amendment,
like you said, you know,

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in nineteen seventy one, many years
after he was pushing for this. He

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was way ahead of the curve on
this right. And I was frankly surprised.

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I didn't realize until I read your
book how long it took to have

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that, to have that passed.
That was kind of shocking. And he's

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one of the reasons, if I
understand correctly, why to this day Tennessee

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does not have a state income tax. Is that right? Well, he

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did what he could at this one
convention block it. Tennessee's constitution had gone

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unamended from eighteen seventy in nineteen fifty
three, the longest I think in the

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whole country, and then they had
all of a sudden they couldn't have enough

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conventions. They had conventions every six
year, which is the legal one of

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them, from fifty three to fifty
nine five to nineteen seventy one. His

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last convention. He was in his
mid seventies, and the call for the

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convention says, we're going to have
a convention for you know, this reason,

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for that reason. And this was
something that was a challenge to write

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about because it's not something particularly exciting
and a political thriller. It's about property

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tax rates, utility companies. Right, Okay, I go with me when

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you're done, right. Yeah,
there were some other things that happened at

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that convention that stood out to me. I hate to pick on Memphis again,

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but from the Memphis delegation said,
we are proposing an amendment to institute

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a state income tax for Tennessee.
And he got right up, and this

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is in the record. I actually
have the book still. I got the

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book off Amazon. The minutes.
This is illegal. This was not in

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the call for the convention. So
that's his argument against this the procedure.

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Then he had actually many years before
he'd actually said that the fender Gumma takes

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enough of our money and this is
wrong, and I'm going to send up

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against this. And thankfully that amendment
went nowhere and they were actually able to

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do what the convention was supposed to
do, which is fixed Thales property tax

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rates. So there you go,
he argued. He argued consistently from this

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remarkable premise that the things that you
earned or yours, they're not the government's

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first, and the government bestows some
of it to you, they are yours

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to begin with. If you know, I mean just earth chattering, I

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guess to some folks. But he
was arguing that way back when. So

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he passed away in nineteen seventy seven. Last question. You wrote that his

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service over decades could be summed up
in the single word empowerment. So what

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is it? What do you mean
by that? That was a challenge to

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come up with that word. But
I I knew that word was the white

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word. Told you use as long
as you properly. Sometimes it's strown around

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a lot today. I think as
a public servant. He came into office

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at the time when the government and
a lot of different ways, at a

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lot of different levels, had a
lot of power over individuals, and not

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all of it was for the various
reasons. A lot of it was archaic.

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You know, is this way old
fashioned? It was time to make

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some changes. You know, something
that worked in the frontier days won't work

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in nineteen fifty. But the time
he gets in there, men over twenty

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one can vote. We're talking what
men? Because of the poll tax and

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women could not vote. You had
to register to vote every single cycle.

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If people think it's ownerous now to
have to tell Lechi commission by the way

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I moved, or here's my photo, ID No, that's the owners is

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having to register for every single election
every two years. He said, we're

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gonna put into that to he off
the legislation in the state Senate to have

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permanent registration in Tennessee, which is
still law today. And you're only purchasing

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the roles. If you're an an
active voter for a long time, WHI

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should just stended pursuge over a lot
of the country. That's one way he

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helped empower people. And in addition
to his fight to lower the voting aged

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eighteen, to get rid of the
poll tack, to make a separate universal

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there were some other things the Home
Rule Amendment. Before nineteen fifty three,

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at that first Convention to Chapter of
State Constitution, the state legislature had incredible

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amount of power over counties and municipalities. Again, this might have made sense

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in eighteen thirty five when we had
our second Constitution, you know, back

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in the Jacksonian era. But but
these cities are actually cities now, They're

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not these you know, tiny little, you know hamlets. They can govern

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themselves, sure, all the way
to nineteen fifty three. They could pass

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laws. They would remove a duly
elected mayor or city council or school board

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00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:07.599
member, a whole slate of school
board candidates. They could redraw county commission

408
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:14.359
lines, city council districts, And
what are the people at home had to

409
00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:17.359
say about it? Nothing? The
legislature just completely did. That was called

410
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:23.759
a Ripper Bill, and he authored
the Convention. As a delegate, he

411
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:29.319
helped offer some amendments to make sure
that cities and county could run their own

412
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:33.440
affairs without birds some oversight for the
state government. So he's empowering people as

413
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:38.480
individuals, and he's empowering localities to
be able to govern themselves. That's where

414
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:42.000
it supposed to have tape federalism.
Are there times when the Feds have to

415
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:45.640
get involved over things that are violation
of the Constitution's corimination, of course,

416
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:49.079
but there were certain things that cities
and counties should have been doing on their

417
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:53.559
own without state oversight, and he
empowered them. So I think he did.

418
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:57.759
He got an office not to stay
in there forever and you know,

419
00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:02.000
till he kills over. And he
didn't get an office to obviously, to

420
00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:07.000
enrich himself. Got in there to
be a public servants and to make sure

421
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.440
that people had good on his clean, efficient governments and to give them power

422
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:15.839
over their own lives. Well,
it was a remarkable story of a remarkable

423
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:18.519
book. And well, I guess
I have one more question, after all,

424
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:22.200
how long did it take you to
write this book? I got the

425
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:26.319
idea in May of twenty seventeen,
when I knew the anniversary was coming up

426
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.759
for one hundred years, and excuse
me. I turned in the final proofs

427
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:34.440
in July twenty nineteen. So it
took me two years. Okay, a

428
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:40.680
night's weekends and break from school,
Christmas break, summer break, spring break,

429
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:42.200
fall break. Yeah, I took
a lot of a lot of work.

430
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:45.960
Well, I'm glad you wrote it. It's a remarkable book, folks.

431
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.880
The name of the book again is
the Tennessee Statesman Harry T. Byrne.

432
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:55.200
The book is published by the History
Press and written by my guest Tyler

433
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:57.599
Boyd. Mister Boyd, thank you
so much for taking the time to appear

434
00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:03.519
on the program today and talk with
us to appreciate it. Remarkably great,

435
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:07.279
remarkable story about a remarkable guy.
So thank you again, folks. That's

436
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:18.039
Tyler Boyd on the Dave Carter Program, Newsmakers, Ceties Authors today. That's

437
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:27.359
no old people say, oh here
all of the days show. All right,

438
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:33.720
let me talk to you about about
something that we all have and how

439
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:37.000
we invested DoD money. No,
we all have vario amounts of money,

440
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:41.200
after all, but we all have
time. We all have twenty four hours

441
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:45.279
in a day and it's how we
invest those hours accounts? Right? I

442
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:47.599
mean when you're a lot of time, when you get a lot of number

443
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:51.160
of heartbeaches up, what he wants
them to say about how you invested your

444
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:53.240
time? Boy, I'm telling you
what's his name over there? He could

445
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:57.440
sure spend a lot of time staring
at the television or man, he spend

446
00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:01.640
his whole life talking, never said
anything but every time the exhale birds came

447
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:05.079
out. They never listen to a
damn thing. But boy, that boy

448
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:08.680
could talk. Or conversely, I
mean, who cares what people think about

449
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:12.119
how you spend your time? Right? What do you think? What do

450
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you want to spend your time doing? Well? Do you want to learn,

451
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want to expand your horizons in your
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452
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453
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455
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456
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457
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458
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471
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conversation today's topics and the people you
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478
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Now it comes the fun part of
the program, because this is where

479
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I get to talk with Ricochet members, the folks who, in my decidedly

480
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.360
biased opinion, are some of the
best folks you'll ever encounter. They come

481
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from all walks of life, which
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484
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on the program here as well,
which is precisely what happened to my guest,

485
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:49.119
who is a brand new member of
Ricochet, and he's quite had quite

486
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:52.559
the story to adventor in life so
far. Chuck Sakatsi spent a significant amount

487
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:55.280
of time in the Marine Corps,
where he served, among other duties,

488
00:34:55.280 --> 00:35:00.119
of the drill instructor. I came
to nor him around twenty fourteen, and

489
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.679
I think when he and I were
both driving military show trucks for Schneider National.

490
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:08.519
It's called the Ride of Pride.
Let's see, and there's there's chucking.

491
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:12.159
No, that's the wrong one.
I'll get it in just a moment.

492
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.599
There he is in front of the
Ride of Pride truck. Anyway,

493
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.679
we came to know each other and
took our trucks along with some other guys

494
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:23.400
that were driving Ride of Pride trucks
to Rolling Thunder twenty fourteen in Washington,

495
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:29.000
d C. Where we and over
eight hundred thousand veterans on motorcycles wrote three

496
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:31.719
Washing DC and remembrance of our brothers
in arms, brothers and sisters in arms

497
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:35.920
who didn't make it back home,
particularly those who served in the Vietnam War.

498
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:38.760
We hadn't forgotten them or how they
were left behind. So it's an

499
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:42.400
honor, indeed to welcome Chuck to
the program today. How are you,

500
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:46.199
my friend. I'm doing well,
Dade Man. Thanks for having me outstanding.

501
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:50.079
It's good to have you here.
Now you're in savannahs that correct.

502
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:54.039
I am in Savannah currently. Yes, Now I couldn't remember you were you

503
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:58.440
originally from there? Originally from Thomasville
when you moved there or how did that

504
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:04.199
happen? So took my first breath
of fresh air here. Yeah, born

505
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:07.480
here, and I intend on taking
my last breath here. But yeah,

506
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:13.599
I was born here and raised down
to Thomasville, Georgia. Okay, I'm

507
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:15.840
hoping that the weather has been good
to you folks lately and you haven't been

508
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.719
affected by the hideous stuff that we've
had to deal with in other parts of

509
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.920
the country. Oh, New New, No, it's been quite nice.

510
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:28.199
I had my fill of that passed. And I'm another reason why we're glad

511
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:31.440
to be here. And I mean
we below thirty anytime, it's rare.

512
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:37.360
And we were in the single digits
like a little over a week ago here,

513
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:40.280
and we went from there to from
zero zero and a little bit below,

514
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:46.400
to Miami weather to rainforest weather.
So I'm about this far from sprinkling

515
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:50.199
Lamb's blood around the door here in
Memphis. Nopen that the press of the

516
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:55.480
plagues will pass us over, you
know, bipolar weather. It's like Sybil.

517
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:02.440
So you you joined the Marine Corps
at the tender age of what well.

518
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:07.119
I actually I joined twice. I
got injured, uh reckless, reckless

519
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:12.960
teenager so um at seventeen first go
round and I didn't go in. Actually

520
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:17.159
I did the delayed entry program.
Okay, I got hurt, hype a

521
00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:22.280
personalities. We tend to do that, and got taken off. The delayed

522
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:29.159
entry program, had surgeries repair the
arm. I had to atv accent anyway,

523
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:32.039
you know, fast forward to nineteen
eighty nine. I did it again.

524
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:38.639
So okay, so you joined for
the final time. Final, Okay,

525
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:42.519
what was your I don't know if
did they call it an MOS in

526
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:49.880
the Marine Corps or yeah? Yeah, and I was. The number was

527
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:53.000
sixty seventeen. So I was a
jet injury mechanic. Worked on F eighteen

528
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:58.679
Hornets and we talked about this before. I same airplane courses. You know,

529
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:01.760
they called the Legacy hornets now the
blue Angels fly right, you're already

530
00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:07.119
familiar with that lawn dark we called
it is it is a single engine.

531
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:10.920
It is a twin engine. Twin
engine. Okay, I know we caught

532
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:15.159
in the Air Force we called the
F sixteens the single engine aircraft. The

533
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:16.920
law on dart because after that one
engine goes out, that's what you are

534
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:22.000
essentially. Yeah yeah, well you
know you're absolutely roy, so at least

535
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:28.679
we have a little more but right
yeah, um yeah. So I was

536
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:31.760
a jettage mechanic. I worked on
fuel systems engines, and we do more

537
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:37.519
with last in the Marine corps.
So pretty much I was a lames termed

538
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.320
crew chief if you will. We
called the plane captains as well, we're

539
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:44.280
plane captain and took care of the
whole thing, so I knew the whole

540
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:47.320
airplane, specialized on the motors.
Now, at some point in all this

541
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:52.840
you decided or just I guess you
voluntary assignment. But you became a drill

542
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:59.039
instructor. Now how did how did
that come about? Well, as a

543
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:01.280
young marine, everybody he wants to
be like their drill instructors anyway, I

544
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:07.639
mean there's something that sticks with you. I even those with al Alzheimer's.

545
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:13.800
Unfortunately, I challenged that they would
probably still remember their drill instructors and that

546
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:20.199
effect. Oh yeah. So the
quick story is after my last deployment or

547
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:24.840
during my last employment, guys,
so marines were getting orders to become recruiters

548
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.000
and as far as Marine Corps goes, I don't know anybody that needs to

549
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:31.960
be recruited. You know what you're
gonna do? You know what you're getting

550
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:36.920
involved with? Or you well,
I guess you've been recruited, but I

551
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:39.239
think we know. So I chose
not to take that path. I didn't

552
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:43.440
want to end up in South Dakota, North Dakota, or wherever they want

553
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:45.559
to put me. So I you
know, I had one of two places

554
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:47.800
I could go the drill instructor.
It was Parris Island or San Diego where

555
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:52.159
I was at and half I was, yeah, stayed there and Sonny so

556
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:55.960
Cal I'm looking at and the folks
now listen to us, are looking at

557
00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:00.840
your official photo as a drill instruct
and you look like you're on the verge

558
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:07.719
of I mean, just right on
the pressus of administering a righteous ass kicking

559
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:13.119
to someone. Was that the resting
drill sergeant face? Or did it come

560
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:16.599
now? Really? You know,
I actually remember having those pictures take It

561
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:20.880
was during the drill instructor school stars
the end of the high school. I

562
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:23.760
just looked like a pissed off fourteen
year old methic years old. Man,

563
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:28.000
I look a pissed off teenager.
My wife saw the pictures said, Goddy

564
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:34.000
looks so young, you know.
Yeah, I don't think she knew,

565
00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:39.039
but but you know, it was
just that intensity. It was just that

566
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:44.599
said level of intensity. The high
school it's i'll just say it's the best

567
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:49.880
of the best of the best in
the Marine Corps. Yeah, it's and

568
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:55.199
everything is competition, everything is you
know, it seems like impossible to do.

569
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:58.679
And uh, you know, as
far as the time goes, and

570
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.360
that was the whole idea of the
high school, and we were always on

571
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:05.320
the time schedule, of course.
But anyway, yeah, I do remember

572
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:07.400
hurry, like, hurry up,
take the damn picture. I gotta go.

573
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:12.320
So things is new people to kill
now. One of the things that

574
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:16.719
veterans simply don't forget is their boot
camp experience. In nividual instructor. I

575
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:22.159
mean, it's it's a life altering
or life defining for some people experience.

576
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:24.159
My drill instructor. I mean I
can see him now. He was about

577
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:28.920
nine feet tall. I mean he
was here. He was really really tall.

578
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:31.360
My god. He's like a gigantic
psychopath and a smoky to bear hat,

579
00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:35.239
you know, and thank god he
thank god, he was. But

580
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:39.159
for folks who haven't been through that
um unique experience, they may wonder why

581
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:45.119
the screaming and the stressing recruits to
the breaking point or beyond even I guess

582
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:47.440
I mean there, But it is
am I oversimplifying it when I say that

583
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:51.320
the idea is to break someone down
and rebuild them. I mean is that

584
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:54.239
an oversimplification or hows? What?
What? What's the what's the ethos?

585
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:59.840
Yeah, you're you're nailing it,
man. It's UM any branch, that's

586
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:04.000
the idea. I mean, they
put you through a pretty strict process nowadays.

587
00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:07.559
UM you know, the mental,
the evaluation, physical evaluation before you

588
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:10.679
even go to boot camp, any
branch. But but once you get there

589
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:17.119
there it's it's game on. It
really is to stimulate. I guess if

590
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:21.920
you were war or the stresses,
how are you going to react? And

591
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:24.840
the idea is to yes, strip
you down all your bad habits and we're

592
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:28.719
gonna bring you up and we're gonna
teach you by the numbers and you're gonna

593
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:31.920
like it. No. Well,
better to break there right than in a

594
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:36.840
combat zone where somebody could get killed
exactly. And that's the whole goal.

595
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:39.880
And when I saw a deer.
In cycles, you see the guys they

596
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:44.320
phase out or wash out, you
know, for whatever reason. A lot

597
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:46.760
of it mental and some physicals.
The physicals used to come back, but

598
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:52.840
the mental health units would would absorb
some. And it's just listen, not

599
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.159
everybody's cut out for it, and
it's a it's a it's a tough environment,

600
00:42:55.159 --> 00:43:00.400
but that's the whole idea is to
see how you will react under pressure.

601
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:05.679
Um. And it's funny, I
seemed to calm down the more pressure,

602
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:07.280
the calmer I get. I don't
know if that's something part of the

603
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:12.679
training we all had, but I
think it helped relaxt more focus here.

604
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:16.519
Right. So at some point you
had to take your drill instructor had off

605
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:20.760
and and they wait a while for
your voice to hell, I would imagine.

606
00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:24.559
Um, so you go back to
the crew chief career field again.

607
00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:30.760
So yeah, Well, the intent
was to to do twenty years, and

608
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:34.880
that's another reason why we want to
do our We call them b billets in

609
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:37.760
the in the marine colops, you
know, either recruiting or drill instructor.

610
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:42.320
So you fill that billet with intent
of staying in. Well, I was

611
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:46.679
entering the last less less than a
year ago, I made my decision on

612
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:51.159
the drill field that I think I'd
had enough, um, family and everything

613
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:52.800
else. I just find it.
Well, you know, I've been deployed

614
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:57.440
so much before even going to the
drill field. I think eighty percent of

615
00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:01.079
my time I was deployed a board
ship carriers, and I think, I

616
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:05.000
just I think I had enough,
Dave, you know, it's it's just

617
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:09.320
one of those moments. It's in
and so yeah, I hung it up,

618
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:12.800
and yeah, I went back to
the fleet for just a few months

619
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:16.320
and off I went. And that's
when I found trucking by complete accident.

620
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:20.800
Okay, so you you had what
I referred to as a stroke of good

621
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:23.760
sense and okay, we're done.
Time time to move on. Then,

622
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:28.840
yeah, I think so. And
again, it just it came out of

623
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:30.960
nowhere. I had full intention.
I was a career marine. I did

624
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:36.000
everything the right way physically, you
know, rifle range, all the courses

625
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.199
of college. Everything was yeah,
just boomed, you know, just somebody

626
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:43.320
hit the switch and he said,
no, civilian world looks pretty nice.

627
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:47.880
So yeah, okay, so hypothetical
question. But I posted this to other

628
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:52.880
veterans. I say that there's a
national emergency, all right, And as

629
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:55.800
my other old buddy from the military, Bob Lee, would say, they

630
00:44:55.840 --> 00:45:00.599
decided to activate the one forty second
Old Farts Division or whatever it is,

631
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.800
and they want to call you back, and I expect I know your answer,

632
00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:10.199
but would you gear up and go
again? I wouldn't even question it,

633
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:15.119
right, yeah, right, yeah, we all It's just part of

634
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.519
it. That's our DNA. That's
why we rose our rate right hand to

635
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:21.400
begin with, just that sense of
dude, man, that's just who we

636
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:24.639
are. On nine to eleven,
I was still actor duty, just got

637
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:29.159
back from from a tour of the
Mid East, and Bob had already retired.

638
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:31.639
And he's the one that contacted me
at my office at down at Tendall

639
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:36.239
and said, hey, take a
look at your television, and then he

640
00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:40.800
immediately started ringing up the alarms that
the phones at the higher headquarters, volunteering,

641
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:45.800
you know, to go back.
So yeah, I think we all

642
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:51.000
did. I was tortured um at
the time. My wife was in college.

643
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:54.400
Everything was going on, and then
I was already out BECAUSH several four

644
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:59.360
years and ninety seven through. Yeah, so I was already out several years,

645
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:02.599
but it was I was tortured.
I wanted to look back. I

646
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:06.280
wish I would have. I think
we all those that didn't go back in

647
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:09.599
probably wish they would have. Everything
happens for the reason, man, But

648
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:15.559
it's so yeah. So now we're
going to literally change gears and we'll double

649
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:20.199
clutch while we're doing it. Okay, so let's let's talk trucking. How

650
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:23.199
did you end up in that world? So so, just the last tie

651
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:28.320
with the military, coming out of
the Marine Corps, we had I'm sure

652
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:31.679
every branch has it with a transition
assistance. So just before you you get

653
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:37.280
out, they forced you to go
through the classes on deprogramming if you will,

654
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:38.400
Hey, this is what you need
to do in a civilian world.

655
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:42.239
This is where you need to go. So we went through the week long

656
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:46.159
class. Well, during a break, there was a library or a video

657
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:51.639
media room or whatever, and just
cruising through board, I saw an orange

658
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:55.840
VHS tape up on a shelf for
whatever reason, and amongst thousands of other

659
00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:04.000
tapes, I grab it started watching
it truck driving Schneider National and and and

660
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:07.320
watching the video. It was essentially
recruiting and saying, hey, you know,

661
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:10.000
come drive for us. We'll teach
you we'll get you your CBL.

662
00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:14.480
You can drive around the country.
We'll pay you. It's like really,

663
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:20.719
so it just they're gonna pay me
the right around and air conditioning or heats

664
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:24.159
the radio and stop when I want
to do what I want. I ain't

665
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:27.679
bad gig, you know, I'm
told where to go for the last eight

666
00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:32.400
years. This ought to be fun. So I started researching other companies and

667
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:37.239
I always came back to that Schneider
and just probably because they ran a lot

668
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:40.800
like the military. It was just
at a quarter of their staff there was

669
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:45.800
military, but our former military.
So that was it. Man. I

670
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:50.920
took I had like almost two months
of terminal leave, and I came back

671
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:53.119
to Georgia and set up camp and
went up to Charlotte, North Carolina,

672
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:59.239
where Schneider I had at training academ
And yeah's around the history. That's the

673
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:05.320
same, the same moments in Charlotte. So what a bad deal it was.

674
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:07.280
It was a one year obligation and
then I got addicted to it.

675
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.760
Yeah, it really did it.
And for veterans, I mean, it's

676
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:15.280
almost like being deployed. Right,
you go here, take yonder stuff from

677
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:17.039
point A to point B on time, don't hurt anybody, there's your mission,

678
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:20.039
and off you go. You deploy
and you take care of it.

679
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:24.920
Definitely mission oriented. That's trucking.
And I think I think the World War

680
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:29.159
two vets did the same thing as
a Vietnam vets did the same thing.

681
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:31.719
And you know Vietnam era guys you
see on the old TV shows or movies,

682
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:36.519
and yeah, I think I think
we have an attraction to that.

683
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:39.280
Be leading me alone and I'll get
there and we'll make it. Now.

684
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:43.199
Problem solve is from here to there, and I just long as I don't

685
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:45.280
hit anything, we're good. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now I've got

686
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:49.519
a picture up up with you now
with the Ride of Pride that you were

687
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:52.719
standing next to, and now we're
going to the picture of you and I

688
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:57.440
and several other Ride of Pride drivers
standing in front of our respective trucks.

689
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:00.639
You're in the middle with your hands
on your hip. The only thing missing

690
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:04.039
is the cape flying behind you.
And I'm the I'm the dark to your

691
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:07.000
right, which that's that's my political
identification, is the dark on the ride.

692
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:09.840
But um, that was a lot
of fun. So you did the

693
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:13.840
Ryder Prime for did you the one
year thing on it? Or two years

694
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:17.559
or how did that work? Yeah, it was thirteen months. And yeah,

695
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:20.719
the power stance, I think we
called it in marine, right.

696
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:23.119
Yeah, an old habit. We've
learned that probably on the drill field and

697
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:28.079
it just never went away. Just
yeah. The Kate's exactly Mike Clark kent

698
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:34.960
coming out of the phone booth.
Yeah. Um so, yeah, the

699
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:38.119
writer part. I I was actually
an instructor with Snyder. I was a

700
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:44.079
whole god how many years in now, it's probably thirteen sixteen years into the

701
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:46.519
company, thirteen years. The safety
dude working in Yeah, it was a

702
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:49.760
safety dude to one of them,
and I was. I was actually teaching

703
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:55.000
the classroom up in Atlanta, Georgia, and unbeknownst to me, a lot

704
00:49:55.039 --> 00:50:00.360
of my former leadership current leadership,
we're nominating me to go up and interview

705
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:04.440
for the Ride of Pride. There's
god, I don't know how many people

706
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:07.639
they interviewed for, but it's a
really big deal and you can hit on

707
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:10.360
it. But but doing the Ride
of Pride, it was a thirteen month

708
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:15.840
tour. We didn't haul anything.
It was just carrying a bob tail around.

709
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:19.679
He was right at the height of
everything going on in Afghanistan, and

710
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:24.519
I was I was introduced to the
well and they put it this way,

711
00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:30.639
it was a most life changing year
of my entire life. I guy,

712
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:34.159
just I can go on for hours
about it. It was in a positive

713
00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:38.039
way, you know. And I
when I was driving the time, I

714
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:40.519
had two years in a ride of
Pride truck. But I was holding freight

715
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:45.360
too, so I was doing freight
and the events. But it was it

716
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:47.840
was almost as if I was being
called in a different way of course,

717
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:52.639
to serve again. Yes, and
I thrived on it. That was the

718
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:55.559
best, I'm just the best couple
of years of my life. As a

719
00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:58.920
matter of fact. It was.
It was amazing the people that you meet,

720
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:00.840
what kind of things out for you
in your time that you I mean,

721
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:05.719
you did so much in those thirteen
months. Well I'll get hit on

722
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:07.760
a couple of them, but you're
right about the It was that sense of

723
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:13.760
putting a uniform back on. We
missed it, we missed the good days,

724
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:16.440
We missed that camaraderie, and it
was being able to put that back

725
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:21.039
on. I was exposed to a
lot of military, active duty military guy,

726
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:24.719
so it was really really good to
be back again. Um. The

727
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:28.199
good part is I got to you
know do my little gig where we're that

728
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:32.119
leaves and the back where But um, but the biggest thing that stands out,

729
00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:37.159
I'll tell you for me. Everyone
has their thing. Um was reathed

730
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:42.360
across America and that was the organization
that that covers all the graves of the

731
00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:45.480
of the veterans around the world.
Now, um, they did twenty six

732
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:50.719
or twenty nine thousand, I believe
in France US service members there. So

733
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:57.719
Um. The official convoy goes from
Maine to Arlington every year, seven hundred

734
00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:00.559
and thirty seven miles and it's a
week long event where we use like a

735
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:05.280
presidential motorcave, if you will.
And that was the only time I ever

736
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:07.960
haul of trailer. By the way, it was carrying live wreaths from the

737
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:14.000
Woosters family at a main and there's
a long story behind them. But along

738
00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:19.119
that route, Dave I was introduced
and had a different gold Star mother ride

739
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:25.360
with me every day and they had
a captive audience. And this just jumps

740
00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:30.280
me up every time I talk about
it. Now, these women share with

741
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:35.440
you from the time their baby's born, alway through high school or college,

742
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:38.599
all the way to the knock on
the door from the casualty officer. And

743
00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:45.039
it's the most, oh my goodness, candid, cherished thing you can ever

744
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:50.199
experience. And so they belonged to
a club, those gold Star moms,

745
00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:53.159
a gold Star families belong to a
club that no damn body wants to belong

746
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:59.119
to. But they are the tightest, most loyal, most generous, the

747
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:02.280
sweetest people. Knowing that they raised
a patriot, they ultimately gave up their

748
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:06.840
lives. But just to hear the
stories these women and men would tell you

749
00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:10.639
about their child, it it lets
you know that you were doing something pretty

750
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:15.639
important. I had a memorial truck. I had one or two experiences with

751
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:20.599
gold Star families. Um, and
one in particular stands out. But I

752
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:22.960
mean, and it left me just
utterly speechless. You're right. You listen,

753
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:28.239
they opened their heart and you listen, and I'm in awe of them.

754
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:31.760
I'm just it's amazing. And um. And that's what that truck and

755
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:37.199
those are the official events and the
unofficial things. The gold Star mothers that

756
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:42.119
I met one in Indianapolis. I
have all places near Schneider. This woman

757
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:45.880
lost her son and marine and I
still stay in contact with this one.

758
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:50.840
But she was having it was happening
to be that day her son was killed

759
00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:54.920
in action. I pulled into the
outside of the Indianapolis Operating Center and I

760
00:53:54.920 --> 00:54:00.000
had the truck and again, it's
a rolling memorial. And you can describe

761
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:01.559
probably better than I can, but
it's it's you're in awe when you look

762
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:05.159
at it. Pictures do it no
justice. You get in front of this

763
00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:09.119
thing and it's a memorial. I
mean, it literally is a rolling memorial.

764
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:13.960
And this woman stood there or it
was like for her it was a

765
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:17.760
sign of God or her from her
son that here I am. Because there's

766
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:21.679
this big, you know, Marine
Corps thing on the side the window,

767
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:24.679
and I'm a Marine and she's standing
there. And I had a recruiter in

768
00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:28.760
the truck, on Schneider recruiter with
me, and he was asking me,

769
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:31.039
how do you do this day and
day out? And I saw this woman

770
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:35.000
with her mouth open, crying standing
there. I said, well, you're

771
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:39.079
about to find out. And this
lady grabbed me. And you think I

772
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:45.079
knew her my whole life. But
anyway, that's the effect that that truck

773
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:52.400
had. And and ed Keeler out
of the Cleveland plant where they built it.

774
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:55.639
He worked. He was a Vietnam
veteran created this Rite of Pride program

775
00:54:55.760 --> 00:55:01.039
that now it's shared by other companies. But anyway, um, speaking of

776
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:08.440
remarkable people and participating in just incredible
events, what's this about the memorial Beton

777
00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:13.559
Death March that I believe you and
your wife Elaine participated in. I'm correct

778
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:19.199
about that. Yeah, So I
don't even remember how I got involved with

779
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:22.599
yeas some white sands. Yeah,
in New Mexico, the missile range out

780
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:27.079
there. I'm well, the history
of Beton Death March, of course,

781
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:30.920
is the Japanese and Philippines March.
Need It was a horrible, horrible event,

782
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:34.760
and I don't challenge anybody, invite
anybody to go read about. It

783
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:37.480
was just, you know, they
were shooting these guys for no reason,

784
00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:40.679
these hundred plus mile marches, and
they put them on these hell ships in

785
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:45.679
the middle of the Philippine Bay and
then you know, it's just horrible.

786
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:49.480
But I was able to meet a
lot of those survivors there. But so

787
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:53.760
the Batan Death March is it's a
marathon, and I did the heavy division

788
00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:58.360
carrying about a fifty pound pack full
of rice and whenever else in there.

789
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:02.239
It was through the hills of White
Sands, Mexico. Uh, just missile

790
00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:07.039
baits base out there. Um yeah, hey, my wife she joined me.

791
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:09.400
We did it a few years ago. And uh, there's a lot

792
00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:15.000
of gold star mothers that do it. And you you've you've honor somebody or

793
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:17.440
you're going and yeah, how many
how many miles? How many miles do

794
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:22.320
you guys walk? Twenty six?
It was twenty six miles? Um rugged?

795
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:29.719
It was it was, yeah,
it was. It was intense high

796
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:34.199
desert um or high whatever. I
guess it's not desert, but New Mexico.

797
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:37.320
It was high altitude and rugged.
It was a good time. But

798
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:40.360
I've you know, they canceled the
last couple of years, so unfortunately I

799
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:45.039
haven't been able to go back.
But never forget it. Well, last

800
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:49.400
last topic, if we I'm gonna
kind of scoot through some of these things.

801
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:53.400
But you joined Ricochet literally just a
few weeks ago right now that you're

802
00:56:53.639 --> 00:57:00.280
I did, yeah, living the
Good Life in Savannah. You going through

803
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:07.119
through social media and and everything else, And um, I saw a podcast

804
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:14.119
that you'd done online and of course
that's just and I'd heard about Ricochet actually

805
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:16.639
during the Ride of Pride way Back. Okay, yeah, yeah, one

806
00:57:16.639 --> 00:57:22.760
of our fellow Ride of Pride members. Um I will name names, but

807
00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:27.039
he probably he leaves a little bit
to the left, if you will,

808
00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:30.400
left persuasion. He kind of fired
and he said, oh, that's Dave

809
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:35.519
Carter, you know called Ricoche.
Well I remembered that, and then I

810
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:38.559
saw Ricoche again. See we've got
Oh that's what the hell he was talking

811
00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:44.039
about. So I started and it's
listen, I am brand new and just

812
00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:46.159
reading through it, all the pockets, all the reading. It's kind of

813
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:51.519
nice to be in an environment my
you know, likely my kind, if

814
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you will man, especially today,
Yeah, yeah, especially, And I've

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always been told that I'm somewhere politically
just to the right of Geanghas Khan.

816
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So but I like it over there. They all know me. So last

817
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:07.079
question, that's kind of a question, I guess, but I don't know

818
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if you were aware of this.
We have a lot of veterans on Ricochet

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as well, a good sized veteran
community. They're one of our prominent ones.

820
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But it goes by the nickname of
Boss Mongo. He's a retired lieutenant

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colonel Special Forces career Special Forces and
so there are a lot of good stories

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00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:27.199
and intrigue there. He was on
the last podcast actually funny guy, and

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he does what so many people do, what the veterans do. At least

824
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:31.800
it's been my experience. I don't
know if it's yours. And I'm curious

825
00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:36.480
when they're asked to talk about things
that happened in the past, or they

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00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:40.519
are volunteering some stories about their life
and uniform, more often than it tends

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00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:45.960
towards the humorous stuff. Has that
been your experience to Yes, and you

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00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:53.000
know it's just something. Yeah,
it's I think that's the common theme.

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We all we make the best out
of I was going to say something sandwich,

830
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but we make the best. We'll
make it taste good man. Deployment

831
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places when we went to suck sucked
him. But we made the best together,

832
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yeah man, And yeah, so
exactly. And I'm involved with the

833
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American Legion here Savannah, which heavy
in the military. We have a lot

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of active beauty members and you mentioned
Special Force. We have an eighty year

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old guy was Green Beret in our
Union. He was a retired colonel and

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a whole just I mean, I'll
be fifty two pilot Air Force guy.

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Just and then the young guys it's
it's a really neat environment and just like

838
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:39.880
a cigar, a glass of bourbon, and the story joke slide yeah,

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and the stories go. My favorite, I'll share this and then then I'll

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bring this to a merciful close for
you. But one of my favorites.

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I was stationed in New Mexico and
his kid was walking from his car to

842
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:55.400
the chow hall in uniform, and
he didn't have his hat on his cover

843
00:59:55.559 --> 01:00:00.440
you know, as you know that's
a cardinal sim And the first sur happened

844
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:01.119
to see him, he said,
son, where's your hat? And he

845
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:05.079
said, it's in my pocket.
And the first sargent said, well,

846
01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:06.800
why is it it on your head? And the kids say, because I

847
01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:09.880
can't get my head in my pocket. Oh boy. And you know that

848
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:14.320
part of the Air Force song we're
talking about going down in flames, that's

849
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:15.920
that's that's kind of I mean,
I guess he wanted to go, so

850
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:19.039
he did. But I mean,
if you're gonna do it, what a

851
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:22.880
way to go? You know?
Yeah, him after saluting that, you

852
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:25.119
know, the airplane they got on
the pop cycle stick at the gate,

853
01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:31.320
what does have him standing? Yeah? Exactly, exactly. Well, look

854
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:37.880
man, it's been it's been a
pleasure and then honored. While yeah,

855
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:39.719
it's been a while. I look
forward to seeing you get something and I'll

856
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:43.920
definitely be be watching for you.
Well, I'm going to be making a

857
01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:46.440
trip to Savannah at some point.
We just got to sit down and have

858
01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:51.000
it a few drinks and enjoy.
So oh, well, listen, you

859
01:00:51.079 --> 01:00:53.360
might not want to leave. Come
on, well then i'll pack, I'll

860
01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:57.559
pack, all right, man,
I appreciate. It's pleasure to have you

861
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:00.840
here. Thank you so much.
Pleasure's mind, Thank you so much.

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01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:15.719
Funny Fox, that's Chuck Saccocchi on
the day. It's the day startership on

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01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:30.599
Ricoshi and that's fun one. Chuck
is an amazing guy and the fantastic guests.

864
01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:31.960
It's always fun to talk with him. We talked the other day on

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01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:35.559
the phone, he and I,
oh, just to catch up on things.

866
01:01:35.719 --> 01:01:37.760
I mean, it was an hour
and a half later we were still

867
01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:40.400
yammering away and it was great.
He's right, of course, so many

868
01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:45.280
people who have served before are looking
for opportunities to do so again, and

869
01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:50.039
it's always an honor to do that. So have you had a good time?

870
01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:53.320
As what Russell Crowe say, and
the gladdie, are you not entertained?

871
01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:58.599
Well, hopefully you have been entertained, and hopefully you've picked up some

872
01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:01.519
some good information along the way as
well. So if you've enjoyed this,

873
01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:06.760
i'd encourage you to head on over
to Dave Carter online dot com. That's

874
01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:09.480
my little website. We've got a
collection of my columns, some of which

875
01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:14.400
predate my time at Ricochet. I'll
go all the way back to the dispatches

876
01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:15.760
I was writing from the desert when
I was going to the Middle East every

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01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:19.840
twenty minutes, so that's fun.
And then there's also a page full of

878
01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:23.719
podcasts will include this podcast as well, and another page of more introspective pieces

879
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:29.360
that I write for readers of the
website called the Inkwell, and I think

880
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:34.679
you'll enjoy that as well. Meanwhile, the whole podcast video thing is working

881
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:37.760
out pretty well. Listeners and the
viewers are growing. Well, they aren't

882
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:42.719
growing, I mean that the number
of listeners and viewers are growing, and

883
01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:46.880
we're currently heard in over forty three
cities around America and thirty countries around the

884
01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:52.320
world or something like that. But
I'm gratified and we'll continue to try and

885
01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:55.480
make it worth your time, the
investment of your time to watch and listen

886
01:02:55.559 --> 01:03:00.519
in on the services here. If
you're enjoying this, please feel to wander

887
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:04.000
over to iTunes. Leave us a
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888
01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:06.519
some comments on the show. I
read them all, and I read the

889
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:09.559
comments that you write on the YouTube
side of the house as well, so

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01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:15.559
I'll look forward to hearing from you. So with thanks to author Tyler Boyd,

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01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:20.800
and thanks to my friend and bella
veteran Chuck Saccachi, and always always

892
01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:23.239
but special thanks to you the listener, I'm Dave Carter and I'll see you

893
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:30.360
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